Whitesmith under the capable guidance of Plauger - who else - came up with Idris. And a number of other Un*x clones were duly written at about the same time, according to: http://www.robotwisdom.com/linux/nonnix.html The question is, is it possible to get ahold of those for the early Un*x hobbyist? Does anyone have any knowledge of their whereabouts, and (potential) legal statii? Wesley Parish -- Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."