On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 10:08:26AM -0500, Bill Gunshannon wrote: You could also stick a bigger disk image (I think I used one for an RA80) on a SCSI disk and go that way. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans(a)bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Ph.D. Candidate, Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual

On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Johnny Billquist wrote: Actually, I am surprised by the lack of information provided. I guess the newer BSD's have spoiled me. :-) ------------------ (Program) 44Boot from rl(0,0,0) at 0174400 : : rl(0,0,0)unix Boot: bootdev=03400 bootcsr=0174400 2.11 BSD UNIX #5: Thu Jan 11 21:32:08 PST 1996 sms1@sms.sms.iipo.gtegsc.com:/usr/src/sys/GENERIC phys mem = 3932160 avail mem = 3719616 user mem = 307200 February 29 23:09:36 init: configure system rk ? csr 177400 vector 220 skipped: No autoconfig routines. rl 0 csr 174400 vector 160 attached erase, kill ^U, intr ^C # ------------------------ And that's it!! I have commented out the RK entries in /etc/fstab as I certainly don't have any real RK disks. :-) Next, I usually do: --------------- # mount -a /dev/rl2a on /vol2: No such device or address # ------------------- And so it goes. I should probably mention again, these are the 2.11_on_rl02 images from the archive. It consists of 4 RL02's and 6 RK's and it boots and runs fine under SIMH. Maybe I'll try running MAKEDEV just to be sure there isn't something corrupted, but being as the boot disk and vol1 both transfered and copyed to real packs OK I have no reason to suspect there is anything wrong with the data on the pack. Hmmmmm... Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I don;t think I will make this assumption. I think I will make a new vol2 pack anyway. But that still leaves why I see no RA's either. Any more suggestions? Is there anyone running a webserver on a PDP-11?? Or will I be the first when I get this going?? I was going to do it with Ultrix-11 but I think it may be easier to get up and definitely more stable on 2.11BSD. Ultrix-11 still needs more work getting it back up to real production quality. (But I plan on doing it!!) All the best. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill(a)cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Johnny Billquist wrote: Hmmmm. Curious. I looked at the conf for GENERIC and it had all the disks. Maybe I need to build a kernel under SIMH and then move it over to the real box. Should be a trip, I've never built a kernel under 2.x. Wonder how close it is to todays BSD's where I do it al the time. Yup. Had RSTS on it when I got it and I tried RT-11 from an RL and was able to init Packs, copy files and even boot as a DU. HA LI from the RSTS Startup reports iit's offspring as RA8x disks. The same kernel mounts all 4 RL02's under SIMH. :-( Maybe I need to crawl in back and check out everything. Could the terminator getting knocked loose cause this?? It's interesting that it isn't a particular drive that doesn't whow up, it is the highest numbered unit. Unless I am looking at this wrong. Do the numbers assigned by the Unit Plug coincide with the dev number or does it just assign devices sequentially for each drive it sees? In other words, if I had a unit with a 0 plug and a 3 plug would that show up as /dev/rl0 and /dev/rl3 or as /dev/rl0 and /dev/rl1? Hope that's understandable.... bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill(a)cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include <std.disclaimer.h>

I haven't got a live 2.11 system anywhere near but the following occurs to me. 1) I think that the GENERIC kernel only has 2 RL02s configured and will expect these on device selects 0 and 1. The idea is to get the generic going and then rebuild for your specific config. 2) Are all of your RL02s on one controller?. If not then two things occur. The first is that I think the GENERIC kernel is only configured for one controller. Secondly, if the second drive is on the second controller then the physical select will probably be 8 and the device will probably be rl8a. 3) If the SCSI controller emulates an MSCP device then I think that 2 MSCP discs are configured for the GENERIC kernel. Again, if you need more then you will need to rebuild the kernel. Although the generic kernel is configured for a lot of devices they will not necessarily be attached if the appropriate file in /etc doesn't have the rems taken out. Can't remember the file name but that will need the appropriate controllers to have the rems taken out. I assume that you can mount rl0 and rl1 from your note. Load the kernel sources onto these two discs, You should be able to get everything except the usr src onto the two rl02s. Then create a kernel that has only the devices that you need and then you should see everything that you have. The autoconfig system is not as informative as newer OS's but it will tell you if something is detected that the kernel is configured for. If it exists but the kernel knows nothing about it then autoconfig will not display it. If I am attempting to teach my grandmother to suck eggs then forgive me. Cheers Robin In message &lt;20030227093041.Y43050-100000(a)server1.cs.uofs.edu&gt;du>, Bill Gunshannon &lt;bill(a)cs.scranton.edu&gt; writes -- Robin Birch