Berny: This reminded me of a time not so long ago when I was seated in Starbucks in Menlo Park enjoying my Caramel Macchiato Venti and overhearing a heated debate between 6 or 7 guys about the GUI vs. command line issue. It seemed to start when a couple of guys in one party, seemingly unknown to the other party, who were talking about kde, rudely butted in to their conversation. Anyway the debate got so verbal that in the end they were all ushered out of Starbucks in an effort to keep the peace. How funny it was. ======= The Linux crowd is indeed ruder and more argumentative than the hackers of my youth. Maybe it's because they hang out in Starbucks, rather than in all-night terminal rooms with Coke machines down the hall. Or maybe it's just my memory. Norman Wilson Toronto ON Somewhat more than 30 years into the disease