5 Dec
2017
5 Dec
'17
7:05 a.m.
From: Deborah Scherrer
the initial research on the arpanet was done at
Lawrence Berkeley Lab
I was interested to find out more about this: I looked in Hafner, "Where
Wizards Stay Up Late" (the popular, but well-researched, book on the ARPANET)
but couldn't find 'Lawrence Berkeley' or 'LBL' in the index
(although it did
have Lawrence Livermore); there were a couple of 'Californa, University of (at
Berkeley' listings, but none covered this. In Abbate, "Inventing the
Internet"
(the first half of which covers the ARPANET), nothing under any of 'Lawrence
Berkeley', 'LBL', 'Berkeley' or 'California'.
In Norberg/O'Neill, "Transforming Computer Technology" (the standard ARPA
history, which has extensive coverage of the ARPANET project), there was one
entry for 'Californa, University (Berkeley)', which might be about the work
you refer to:
"IPTO issued a contract for a 'network' project at the Berkeley campus
of
the University of California ... because of the presence at Berkeley of
specialists in programming languages and heuristic programming".
But there's nothing about what was produced. Is there anything you can point
me at that provides more detail? Thanks!
Noel
5 Dec
5 Dec
7:13 a.m.
New subject: ARPAnet now 4 nodes
LBL was part of UC Berkeley. We were funded by DOE, who was working
with DARPA. But we were UC employees. LBL had a contract with
DOE/DARPA to evaluate an early version of the the arpanet. I was just
getting started at that time, so only slightly involved. The people I
remember were Dennis Hall, Joe Sventek, Carl Quong & several other guys
in EE. A lot of the TCP/IP development was done at the Lab.
We also worked heavily with the CS people on campus. I think this was
before Kirk McKusick, Bill Joy, et al.
Debbie
On 12/4/17 5:05 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
From: Deborah
Scherrer
the initial research on the arpanet was done at
Lawrence Berkeley Lab
I was interested to find out more about this: I looked in Hafner, "Where
Wizards Stay Up Late" (the popular, but well-researched, book on the ARPANET)
but couldn't find 'Lawrence Berkeley' or 'LBL' in the index
(although it did
have Lawrence Livermore); there were a couple of 'Californa, University of (at
Berkeley' listings, but none covered this. In Abbate, "Inventing the
Internet"
(the first half of which covers the ARPANET), nothing under any of 'Lawrence
Berkeley', 'LBL', 'Berkeley' or 'California'.
In Norberg/O'Neill, "Transforming Computer Technology" (the standard ARPA
history, which has extensive coverage of the ARPANET project), there was one
entry for 'Californa, University (Berkeley)', which might be about the work
you refer to:
"IPTO issued a contract for a 'network' project at the Berkeley campus
of
the University of California ... because of the presence at Berkeley of
specialists in programming languages and heuristic programming".
But there's nothing about what was produced. Is there anything you can point
me at that provides more detail? Thanks!
Noel 
7:38 a.m.
New subject: ARPAnet now 4 nodes
On 12/4/2017 5:05 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
I'm also skeptical about this claim, although it could depend on
what "initial research" means. I believe LBL did work on early TCP
implementations, the conversion from NCP to TCP, and the early "software
tools" movement. (I was there for a year in 1988 and had the office next
to Cliff Stoll when he was doing the Cookoo's Egg work, but that's
another story).
Jon
From: Deborah
Scherrer
> the initial research on the arpanet was done at Lawrence Berkeley Lab
7:56 a.m.
New subject: ARPAnet now 4 nodes
This was looooong before Cliff Stoll. I worked at LBL for 14 years, in
the Computer Science & Applied Math (CSAM) group. Don't remember the
exact dates this was happening, but something like late 60s - early
70s. I remember discussing with Dennis Hall the report back to DARPA
that emphasized no value for data transfer but high value for
communications. (Unfortunately, Dennis is gone now.) We even had a
"demonstration" for DARPA. However, the nodes we needed in a couple
places weren't in those places yet, so we "simulated" a response by
having something in, say, San Francisco receive an internet request,
read it with their eyes, then type in a response. ;-) At least DARPA
folks were told this was a simulation.
Deborah
On 12/4/17 5:38 PM, Jon Forrest wrote:
On 12/4/2017 5:05 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
I'm also skeptical about this claim, although it could depend on
what "initial research" means. I believe LBL did work on early TCP
implementations, the conversion from NCP to TCP, and the early "software
tools" movement. (I was there for a year in 1988 and had the office next
to Cliff Stoll when he was doing the Cookoo's Egg work, but that's
another story).
Jon
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