17 Sep
2019
17 Sep
'19
8:21 p.m.
Fair enough. Mei culpa from one of those that was vocal. That said, maybe
a trick is to stay away from texinfo/info and the man page discussion on
this list since its a hot button that causes much trama for some with a
more traditional UNIX view.
Please don't leave, your voice is important and I generally agree with you
and always like to hear you out. But even if I do not agree, I still want
to listen. You have come to your conclusions in a different manner than
some of us, and where each of us puts the MSB tends to color our views.
Diversity of opinion is a good thing.
Respectfully,
Clem
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On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 3:53 AM <arnold(a)skeeve.com> wrote:
It is like clockwork.
Whenever I say something about Texinfo *as a markup language* for use
in *writing books*, the discussion inevitably degenerates into a hate
rant against Info and RMS's (failed) attempt to replace man pages.
Totally missing the point too.
This is a trend on TUHS. The same discussions, the same rants, often
the same misinformation, over and over and over again.
I start to wonder if I should continue to subscribe.
Arnold
Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 08:10:48AM -0400, Clem
Cole wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 1:52 AM <arnold(a)skeeve.com> wrote:
>
> > I use the standalone Info reader (named info) if I want to look at
the
> > Info output.
> >
> Fair enough, but be careful, while I admit I have not looked in a
while,
> info(gnu) relies on emacs keybindings and a
number of very emacs'ish
things.
> Every time I have tried to deal with it, I
have unprogram my fingers
and
> reset them to emacs.
>
> If it would have used more(1) [or even less(1)] then I would not be as
> annoyed.
> Unix had fine tools [man(1), more(1), et al] and rms and friends felt
the
need to
replace them with ITS-like programs.
I hate texinfo and friends. I get why it is better than man, but man was
good enough, more than good enough, and the GNU project took everything
it could find and destroyed the man pages.
If you have something like perl that needs a zillion sub pages, info
makes sense. For just a man page, info is horrible.