Fair enough.  Mei culpa from one of those that was vocal.  That said, maybe a trick is to stay away from texinfo/info and the man page discussion on this list since its a hot button that causes much trama for some with a more traditional UNIX view.

Please don't leave, your voice is important and I generally agree with you and always like to hear you out.  But even if I do not agree, I still want to listen.  You have come to your conclusions in a different manner than some of us, and where each of us puts the MSB tends to color our views.  Diversity of opinion is a good thing.

Respectfully,
Clem 
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On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 3:53 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
It is like clockwork.

Whenever I say something about Texinfo *as a markup language* for use
in *writing books*, the discussion inevitably degenerates into a hate
rant against Info and RMS's (failed) attempt to replace man pages.
Totally missing the point too.

This is a trend on TUHS.  The same discussions, the same rants, often
the same misinformation, over and over and over again.

I start to wonder if I should continue to subscribe.

Arnold

Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 08:10:48AM -0400, Clem Cole wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 1:52 AM <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I use the standalone Info reader (named info) if I want to look at the
> > > Info output.
> > >
> > Fair enough, but be careful, while I admit I have not looked in a while,
> > info(gnu) relies on emacs keybindings and a number of very emacs'ish things.
> > Every time I have tried to deal with it, I have unprogram my fingers and
> > reset them to emacs.
> >
> > If it would have used more(1) [or even less(1)] then I would not be as
> > annoyed.
> > Unix had fine tools [man(1), more(1), et al] and rms and friends felt the
> > need to replace them with ITS-like programs.
>
> I hate texinfo and friends.  I get why it is better than man, but man was
> good enough, more than good enough, and the GNU project took everything
> it could find and destroyed the man pages.
>
> If you have something like perl that needs a zillion sub pages, info
> makes sense.  For just a man page, info is horrible.