I'm not sure why mailman rejected this e-mail. Anyway, here it is.
Warren
Subject: RE: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:39:11 -0700
Thread-Topic: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
From: "Ian King" <iking(a)windows.microsoft.com>
To: "Natalia Portillo" <iosglpgc(a)teleline.es>, <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org>
I'm trying to discern the difference between a variant and a derivative.
:-) Yes, we can trace back to the One True UNIX, but after things
started branching it gets pretty confusing. It's possibly an
indefensible taxonomy to distinguish a 'variant' (Coherent? XINU?) from
a derivative (which would encompass any BSD forms, I guess).
FWIW, a while back someone was selling XINU ported to 8086 (I recall
buying a set of 5-1/4" source disks a thousand or so years ago). Is
that more the sort of thing you're looking for? The current version(s)
of XINU are available at http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/dec/xsoft.html,
according to Google. -- Ian
warren
you missunderstood my point , I didn't imply it has at&t code !, what I
meant is it has the look and feel of at&t unix and indeed it was modeled (if
you prefer instead of derived :-) ) after unix 6 as per the author and the
way it look and feel.
as for the book , yup I read both the original book and the second one ,
that's what I meant it's an educational project oriented towards students.
cheers
zmkm
>From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org>
>To: The Unix Heritage Society <tuhs(a)tuhs.org>
>Subject: Re: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
>Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:28:41 +1000
>
>On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:29:11PM +0000, zmkm zmkm wrote:
> > actually [Minix is] indeed derived from at&t unix 6 also it feels closer
>to
> > the actual old unix than other newer variants and it comes with C
>compiler and
> > an assembler in the distribution
>
>Sorry to be a pedant here, but Minix was written wholly from scratch and
>has no AT&T code in it at all. I know, I've been playing with it since
>version 1.1. See also Tanenbaum's Operating Systems: Design and
>Implementation
>textbook for the fully story.
>
>Ciao!
> Warren
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Lowenstein [mailto:cdl@mpl.ucsd.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:46 PM
> To: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org; robin.birch(a)royalmail.com
> Subject: Re: [pups] PDP11 C
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:26:21 +0000
> > Subject: [pups] PDP11 C
> >
> > Panic over, I've found a copy that I didn't realise I had :-)
>
> Just out of curiousity, which operating system did you have in
> mind? A run-time library is rather OS-dependent.
>
> carl
>
> --
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> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:26:21 +0000
> Subject: [pups] PDP11 C
>
> Panic over, I've found a copy that I didn't realise I had :-)
Just out of curiousity, which operating system did you have in
mind? A run-time library is rather OS-dependent.
carl
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clowenst(a)ucsd.edu
Just to keep it Unix-like, I wrote enblock, which takes a file in stdin
a produces a tape file on stdout in SIMH-format. It takes one option,
the block size, which defaults to 512. It writes an end of file mark
after each run. To write more than one file on one tape, type
enblock <file1 >tape ; enblock <file2 >>tape
to write an end of tape mark, type
enblock </dev/null >>tape
You'll find enblock.c at
http://www.ba-stuttgart.de/~helbig/os/v6/enblock.c
>Hi,
>
>Harti's p11 comes with mktape which when given a control file will turn a set
>of files into a tape image. Is there anything like this for SIMH PDP-11?
>
>Thanks,
>Ken
Panic over, I've found a copy that I didn't realise I had :-)
Regards
Robin
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Hi Everyone,
This is slightly off topic I know but does anyone have a PDP11 C run time library
reference manual that they can either scan for me or send me so that I can
photocopy it.
Regards
Robin
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Hello,
I have located 30 boot floppies for AT&T UNIX SVR4.0 2.1 for the 386
Apparently, only SCSI hard drive controllers are supported. I don't have a
machine with a SCSI hard drive (and I'd rather not sacrifice a live
machine to svr4.)
I tried booting in in bochs, and it sort of works, but it panics
relatively early. I suspect it's for the lack of SCSI emulation in bochs,
but I'm not sure.
I'm trying to find whatever source code there is on those floppies. I've
grepped through the disk images, and I did find some source code in the
clear. However, I suspect I haven't yet found the kernel source (which is
what I'm after.) Disks 13 and 14 have an actual filesystem on them, but
many (all?) of the other disks appear to be laid out as flat arrays of
bytes without much (any?) filesystem information. The fs on disks 13 and
14 doesn't appear to be completely standard sysv, at least according to my
rh8 box.
Anyone knows enough about this operating system to help me out? Perhaps
some hints as to where the kernel sources might be located, how they are
encoded? (I hope the kernel sources are in fact on the disks!)
Sebastien Loisel
All,
I just received this from Sebastien Loisel. I don't have any recent
SysV sources, but I though I'd pass this on to the mailing list in
case anybody else can help Sebastien.
Warren
----- Forwarded message from "S. Loisel" <loisel(a)math.mcgill.ca> -----
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:44:21 -0400
From: "S. Loisel" <loisel(a)math.mcgill.ca>
Subject: System V
To: wkt(a)tuhs.org
Hello,
I'm sorry to bother you, but I'm interested in the current Unix debacle.
I'm diffing linux kernel sources against Unix sources, and I've written
a program to do that efficiently, but I'm afraid that what Unix sources
I can locate aren't actually relevant (I've been using what I can find
at minnie.tuhs.org...)
I know that a lot of people have the correct sources and that they were
even available for download on the web, so I was wondering if you could
hook me up somehow?
I'm a researcher at McGill university in Montreal
(http://www.math.mcgill.ca/loisel/) and I would only be using that
source code for research. I intend to diff the files and then provide a
list of similar files, and I hope to quote the common portions (assuming
they are short enough for "fair use.")
If you can't help me, can you tell me someone who could?
Thank you very much,
Sebastien Loisel
----- End forwarded message -----
warren
you missunderstood my point , I didn't imply it has at&t code !, what I
meant is it has the look and feel of at&t unix and indeed it was modeled (if
you prefer instead of derived :-) ) after unix 6 as per the author and the
way it look and feel.
as for the book , yup I read both the original book and the second one ,
that's what I meant it's an educational project oriented towards students.
cheers
zmkm
>From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org>
>To: The Unix Heritage Society <tuhs(a)tuhs.org>
>Subject: Re: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
>Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:28:41 +1000
>
>On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:29:11PM +0000, zmkm zmkm wrote:
> > actually [Minix is] indeed derived from at&t unix 6 also it feels closer
>to
> > the actual old unix than other newer variants and it comes with C
>compiler and
> > an assembler in the distribution
>
>Sorry to be a pedant here, but Minix was written wholly from scratch and
>has no AT&T code in it at all. I know, I've been playing with it since
>version 1.1. See also Tanenbaum's Operating Systems: Design and
>Implementation
>textbook for the fully story.
>
>Ciao!
> Warren
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>TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org
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