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[pups] 1972-era unix src found

by Fred N. van Kempen

Hiyas, I just unearthed a unix source tree that seems to be dated 1972. is that of interest, or do we already have it? Cheers, Fred -- InterNetworking, Network Security and Communications Consultants MicroWalt Corporation (Netherlands), Postbus 8, 1400 AA BUSSUM Phone +31 (35) 7503090 FAX +31 (35) 7503091 http://WWW.MicroWalt.NL/ Dit bericht en eventuele bijlagen is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Openbaarmaking, vermenigvuldiging, verspreiding aan derden is niet toegestaan. Er wordt geen verantwoordelijkheid genomen voor de juiste en volledige overbrenging van de inhoud van dit bericht, noch voor de tijdige ontvangst ervan.

21 years, 3 months

Re: [TUHS] While on the subject of 32V ...

by Steve Nickolas

>From: Pat Villani <Pat.Villani(a)hp.com> >Sent: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:35:40 -0400 >To: tuhs(a)tuhs.org >Subject: [TUHS] While on the subject of 32V ... >Folks, >I recently copied down the 32V source, and compiled the kernel with >gcc. Much to my surprise, most of it compiled. I then split out the >machine dependent versus the machine independent files (loose >classification :-), and compiled again. Naturally, in both cases, you >could not actually build a kernel because there are vax specific .s >files, but the individual C files compiled. Not a bad start. Whew. Goes to show something about GCC backward compatibility. >As a result, I've been giving serious consideration to porting it to >Intel IA32 platforms. It's much simpler than the unix I worked on >until last year (Tru64, aka OSF/1 and Digital UNIX), and the 32V >kernel is only a little bigger than the original FreeDOS kernel I >wrote. The Caldera license is pretty much a BSD license, which could >be considered an open source license. This means I should be able to >work on it without worrying about IP, although I'd still need >management approval. It's basically the old (with advertising) BSD license, AFAICT. >Should I undertake such an project, would there be enough interest to >justify the effort? I for one would be interested... :) >Pat -uso.

21 years, 3 months

While on the subject of 32V ...

by Phil Garcia

> <snip> > I've been giving serious consideration to porting it to > Intel IA32 platforms. It's much simpler than the unix I worked on > until last year (Tru64, aka OSF/1 and Digital UNIX), and the 32V > kernel is only a little bigger than the original FreeDOS kernel I > wrote. The Caldera license is pretty much a BSD license, which > could be considered an open source license. This means I should be > able to work on it without worrying about IP, although I'd still > need management approval. Should I undertake such an project, would > there be enough interest to justify the effort? I'd certainly be intrigued enough to run it.

21 years, 3 months

Re: [TUHS] UNIX/32V

by Carl Lowenstein

> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:35:32 +1300 > From: Wesley Parish <wes.parish(a)paradise.net.nz> > Subject: Re: [TUHS] UNIX/32V > To: tuhs(a)tuhs.org > > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:20, Norman Wilson wrote: > > Wesley Parish: > > > > I was wondering as well, are there any VAX assembler manuals online, in > > an easily-copyable form? > > > > I've encountered html ones, but that isn't quite what I mean. > > > > What do you mean, then? In what way isn't HTML suitable? > > I don't mean to be obstreperous; I just think it would be > > easier to help if you made it clearer what you need and > > what you don't. > > I'm a bit more used to using PDF for that purpose, since PDF data > resides in a single file - ergo, easier downloads. Download all the html. (use wget) Make a list of the files in the order that they should appear in the PDF file. Use htmldoc < www.easysw.com/htmldoc/ > to make PDF or PostScript. Htmldoc is interesting software -- it works well and is available in source form with the caveat "here it is, take it and don't bother us unless you want to buy a support contract". carl

21 years, 3 months

UNIX/32V

by nao

Hi, I am interested in the history of VAX unices. On the modern extreme, I obtained a pretty VAXstation 4000/VLC and it runs NetBSD now. I am more than happy to play the original rogue from 4.2BSD. On the ancient extreme, since I dare not to tame a beast like PDP-11/780, I am reading various papers and codes. Now I am searching for the original article of UNIX/32V: T. B. London & J. F. Reiser, ``A UNIX Operating System for the DEC VAX-11/780 Computer,'' Technical Report TM-78-1353-4, Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ(July 1978), but it seems quite hard to find it. Is there anyone who can tell me how can I obtain a copy? Regards, -nao

21 years, 3 months

Re: Peter H. Salus comments (+32V)

by Dennis Ritchie

Peter Salus is quoted as saying > ... > When the VAX was ``pre-announced,'' the Unix architects at Bell Labs had become > disillusioned with DEC, they didn't like VMS and they thought that the VAX had > an ``offensively fat instruction set.'' Anyway, Steve Johnson and Dennis > Ritchie were working on their Unix port to the Interdata. (Which Steve referred > to as the ``Intersnail.'') We were far from disillusioned, either with the company or the design; see my contemporary transcription of Ossanna's notes of the preannouncement presentation. http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/vax.html But it is true that our own attention was focussed on the Interdata work at the time; not only was it underway, but for stretching portability it looked useful to work on an architecture that was Not "culturally compatible" with the PDP-11. > So DEC approached Charlie Roberts at AT&T in Holmdel, NJ. Tom London, John > Reiser and Ken Swanson were interested; they got a VAX in early 1978. In three > months they ported Version 7 to the VAX. Roberts told me: ``We got the machine > in January, they had it running in April, and by August it really worked.'' >> and indeed left the Vax port to Reiser and London. (VMS didn't figure into the equation.) A later poster, nao, asked about London and Reiser's memo about their work on what became 32V (TM-78-1353-4). This seems to be in the company archives, but not in scanned form. I've ordered a paper copy, but the mechanism sometimes is a black hole. Dennis

21 years, 3 months

Re: [TUHS] UNIX/32V

by norman＠nose.cs.utoronto.ca

Wesley Parish: I was wondering as well, are there any VAX assembler manuals online, in an easily-copyable form? I've encountered html ones, but that isn't quite what I mean. What do you mean, then? In what way isn't HTML suitable? I don't mean to be obstreperous; I just think it would be easier to help if you made it clearer what you need and what you don't. To split hairs further, what do you mean by `VAX assembler manual'? There's a paper named Assember Reference Manual that came in Berkeley's Volume 2C for 3BSD, written by Reiser (Bell Labs) and Henry (Berkeley); it is a compact description of syntax and pseudo-ops, but doesn't list or explain the VAX instruction set itself. The best reference I know for the VAX instruction set is the official DEC manual called VAX Architecture Reference Manual (EK-VAXAR-RM), but at more than 500 pages it is not easily-copyable even in the way we thought of copying when it was published, i.e. that depicted on the cover of the latter-day Lions book. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

21 years, 3 months

Peter H. Salus comments on introduction of VAX

by Kenneth Stailey

Admittedly the page is a rant from 1997 but it does have a few tidbits. Page is here: http://www.mids.org/pay/mn/704/bits.html Excerpt about VAX: << And it's over 20 years since Gordon Bell came up with his ideas for a DEC family with a 32-bit architecture. That was implemented by Bill Demmer, Larry Portner, and Bill Strecker as DEC's VAX line: Virtual Address Extension. Bell's notion allowed DEC to produce a line of computers that continues today, and certainly occupied a number of desktops over 15 years ago. When the VAX was ``pre-announced,'' the Unix architects at Bell Labs had become disillusioned with DEC, they didn't like VMS and they thought that the VAX had an ``offensively fat instruction set.'' Anyway, Steve Johnson and Dennis Ritchie were working on their Unix port to the Interdata. (Which Steve referred to as the ``Intersnail.'') So DEC approached Charlie Roberts at AT&T in Holmdel, NJ. Tom London, John Reiser and Ken Swanson were interested; they got a VAX in early 1978. In three months they ported Version 7 to the VAX. Roberts told me: ``We got the machine in January, they had it running in April, and by August it really worked.'' >> __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

21 years, 3 months

Epiphany?

by Wesley Parish

I downloaded 32V after thinking and thinking and thinking about it, and of course untarred and defeathered it, then had a look at some of the source code. I got a buzz out of reading it! (I usually don't give myself time to read source code, so I suppose I get out of the habit of thinking of it as a pleasure. And University tends to make one think of it as a chore ;^) Just thought I'd pass that on - and thanks to everybody - AT&T, UOC@Berkeley, SCO, Caldera and PUPS/TUHS for allowing me my unexpected pleasures! Much appreciated! Wesley Parish -- Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."

21 years, 4 months

Re: [TUHS] Re: 4.3 BSD version in the Unix Archive

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Jochen Kunz <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> wrote: > The thing with NetBSD is that you get a modern *ix like OS complete with > ssh etc. and features like mmap(2) that 4.3BSD-Tahoe doesn't have. Just a nitpick, but ssh is available for 4.3BSD-Quasijarus, look for it in: ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG:/pub/unix/apps/ But yes, NetBSD is a "modern *ix", not UNIX, which is why I can't stand it. My love for UNIX as opposed to "modern *ix"'s is what made me create and run 4.3BSD-Quasijarus. Since I use it as my sole and only OS for my real world computing needs, not a hobby, I have everything for it that one needs in everyday life, including ssh, httpd, Russian support, PostScript support, PPP support, etc. But it's still pure 4.3BSD as all of the latter are just user applications. MS

21 years, 4 months

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