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[pups] ACMS (Australian 'puter museum) doomed?

by Fred N. van Kempen

Ow, c'mon. In *australia*, how hard can it be to find or make space for that priceless collection? Geez! Given the nearly-complete collection of DEC systems, HP-Oz should be deeply ashamed if they don't pitch in, along with other vendors and local support techs. We can't expect all companies to maintain a collection that reflects their history (for tech-practical reasons alone), but we *should* be able to expect them to help others who do it "for" them... > -----Original Message----- > From: Toby Thain [mailto:tobyhome@telegraphics.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:08 PM > To: Dave Horsfall > Cc: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: Re: [pups] Re: History of 32-bit UNIX (was History of 2 BSD) > > > > On 11/11/2003, at 3:01 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote: > > > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Dennis Ritchie wrote: > > > >>> I believe the Wollongong port predated the one at Bell > Labs. Peter > >>> Gray tells me he still has the original machine they > used, and he'd > >>> like to find a museum-like place to keep it. No idea whether it > >>> runs. Greg Rose should know a lot more about this > matter. Greg, are > >>> you out there? > >> > >> Having the original Wollongong Interdata 7/32 might > >> be interesting to the Computer History museum, though > >> it might be expensive to transport it across the Pacific. > > > > Perhaps this would be a better home for it: > > > > http://www.terrigal.net.au/~acms/museum.htm > > It would not be a safe home until they have solved their eviction > problem (now due for mid-Dec 2003): > http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/19/1053196515142.html > and http://www.terrigal.net.au/~acms/ > > Given the significance of the machine in question, IMHO it would be > safer in care of private individuals until an Australian computer > museum is funded - > http://www.terrigal.net.au/~acms/ > ACMS%20Prospectus%20rec%20on%2005Feb2003.htm > > Toby > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups >

21 years, 2 months

[pups] Re: A project--buiilding a device to plug into a PDP-11's bus

by John Holden

Gregg C Levine wrote :- > I also recall that the processor in question at one point in its > lifespan, actually used the AM2901 family of bit-slice processors. DEC didn't use 2901's in central processors, but the FPU's for 11/34 and 11/44 used 16 of them to make the 64 bit data path for the FPU. They were also used in some peripherals like the KMC-11. A lot of OEM's (like Emulex) used them in disk/tape/terminal controllers.

21 years, 2 months

Re: [pups] ACMS (Australian 'puter museum) doomed?

by macbiesz＠optonline.net

Quote from http://www.deadmedia.org/notes/3/034.html: "A copy of his first programme-controlled electro-mechanical digital computer, the Z3, was made in 1960 and put on display at the Deutsches Museum in Munich. A copy of the Z1 was constructed in 1989, and can be found in the Museum for Transport and Technology in Berlin." Maciek ----- Original Message ----- From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:43 am Subject: Re: [pups] ACMS (Australian 'puter museum) doomed? > On 2003.11.13 00:06 Johnny Billquist wrote: > > > Not to demean that effort, but don't the Germans have a Z4 still > > working in a museum? That would mean something like 1942. > 1942 would be the Z3, the first computer ever. The Z3 that is in the > Deutsches Museum is AFAIK a rebuild of the original one. (Rebuild > underthe supervision of Konrad Zuse himself.) I don't know if the > Z4 is still > around. Google for "Konrad Zuse" and / or his son "Horst Zuse". Horst > Zuse has put much effort in documenting the work of his father. > > I know that there is a Zuse Z23 in Karlsruhe. It was build in 1956, > based on electron tubes, core and drum memory and it is still fully > functional! > -- > > > tschüß, > Jochen > > Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups >

21 years, 2 months

Re: [pups] Re: A project--buiilding a device to plug into a PDP-11's bus

by Carl Lowenstein

> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:30:34 +1100 (EST) > From: John Holden <johnh(a)psych.usyd.edu.au> > To: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: [pups] > Re: A project--buiilding a device to plug into a PDP-11's bus > > Gregg C Levine wrote :- > > > I also recall that the processor in question at one point in its > > lifespan, actually used the AM2901 family of bit-slice processors. > > DEC didn't use 2901's in central processors, but the FPU's for 11/34 and > 11/44 used 16 of them to make the 64 bit data path for the FPU. They were > also used in some peripherals like the KMC-11. At one time there was a set of application notes that described how to build a PDP11 clone out of AM2901 bit slices. I think that the performance would have been approximately that of an 11/40, while the time and effort and parts cost would have been prohibitive for a one-off production. It is barely possible that I have a set of those notes somewhere, although it would take a very lucky random search to find them. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenst(a)ucsd.edu

21 years, 2 months

[pups] A project--buiilding a device to plug into a PDP-11's bus (or LSI-11)

by Gregg C Levine

Hello from Gregg C Levine I never had the chance to post this here, but one of my reasons for joining our group, was that I was in the process of designing something to plug into a PDP-11's bus, (or an LSI-11). I never accomplished it, because I didn't have the parts here. Nor the computer either to try out my design. I've now discovered that this company, Luke International, http://www.lukechips.com/ which was formed by a group of former AMD engineers, is selling the parts someone would use to clone a PDP-11 processor. And indeed the AM2908 matches those bus specs. I also recall that the processor in question at one point in its lifespan, actually used the AM2901 family of bit-slice processors. The design is still going through the drawing board status, but now that I've found a place that sells those parts means I am much closer. Regarding those systems, if someone in the US, and preferably the NYC area has a PDP-11/53, or an LSI-11, hanging around, please contact me. ------------------- Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net ------------------------------------------------------------ "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

21 years, 2 months

Unsubsribe

by Philip, Naveen J (Naveen)

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21 years, 2 months

SCO File List - Sort Of

by Rhys Weatherley

Groklaw has one of SCO's legal filings in the SCO/IBM case up that contains a list of files that they claim contain infringing material: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031111020447263 It seems to be basically "grep -r (SMP|IBM|NUMA|JFS) /usr/src/linux" with little filtering of the output. The list contains filenames but not the actual line numbers of the supposedly infringing code. So it is pretty useless, but is more of a starting point than we've had to date. I've got dibs on 48 hours in the "how long it takes for the community to find prior public domain sources for all of the above" pool. :-) Cheers, Rhys.

21 years, 2 months

The PDP11/34 saga ... CONTINUED :)

by asbesto

Hi, Do you remember the broken chip on pdp11/34 ? well, i changed the HC74LS175P with an original SN74LS175N. Now i can write and read correct data on memory :))) and the RED LED "PARITY ERR" on the M7891 board turn OFF while pdp11 is running a program. :))) BUT the pdp11 can't boot: the boot loader program stop after few steps. some details will follow in the next days; now i can't make any further test ... -- [asbesto : freaknet medialab : radio#cybernet : GPG key on keyservers] [ MAIL ATTACH, SPAM, HTML, WORD, and msgs larger than 95K > /dev/null ] [http://www.freaknet.org/asbesto IW9HGS http://kyuzz.org/radiocybernet]

21 years, 2 months

Re: TUHS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 7

by Larry McVoy

> > I've personally thought that Sun should release the source trees of its old > > BSD-based SunOS with the idea of getting back onside with all the Linux and > > Unix people it pissed off by its "buying" a "Unix" license from SCO, the > > Societe Commercial du On-Dit, the Commercial Society of Rumourmongers. > > Don't hold your breath. Even SunOS 4.1.x had large chunks of System V Release 3 > code in it: all the STREAMS stuff and RFS worked in that environment (not that > anyone ever used it). Also all of /usr/5bin, /usr/5lib etc. I removed all that stuff and booted up and ran on a complete free version of SunOS long ago. Read about it here: http://www.bitmover.com/lm/papers/srcos.html -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm

21 years, 2 months

solaris source (was Re: Heritage X)

by tuhs＠cuzuco.com

That program was canceled, see http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/source/ It was a license, and if you have it, you can not share it with non-licensees. Also it wasn't quite complete. > From: macbiesz(a)optonline.net > A couple years ago, Sun released Solaris 8 source for free. The whole system is full of SVisms, and AFAIK, the source remains free. > > Maciek

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