All, thanks for the help with that image of Ken and Dennis at the 11/20
console. Now I'm after a reference/citation to a great quote attributed to
Henry Spencer:
Those who don't understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
Any ideas if/when Henry said this and where: date, first time it appeared
in print etc.
While we are at it, are there any other good Unix quotes that spring to mind?
Thanks,
Warren
I went to Dennis' home page this morning to find something, and it seems
to be gone. The URL I'm using is http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/
Does anybody know if it's moved or, if not, who to contact to fix it?
I'm actually after the hi-res version of the photo with dmr and ken
at the PDP-11/20 console. I think I have a copy cached away. If not, does
anybody else have a copy?
Cheers,
Warren
Warren:
I went to Dennis' home page this morning to find something, and it seems
to be gone. The URL I'm using is http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/
=======
Looks like there has been substantial reorganization of
the company's web pages, doubtless to reflect reorganization
of the company itself.
I dug around to see where personal web pages seem to be now,
and tried some obvious guesses, and still couldn't find Dennis's
stuff.
I've sent a query to someone on the inside; I'll report back
if I find the answer.
It might be worth trying the Wayback Machine in the mean time.
Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
> On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 08:53 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> > I'm actually after the hi-res version of the photo with dmr and ken
> > at the PDP-11/20 console.
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 01:07:29AM +0200, Hellwig Geisse wrote:
> I don't know if this is the resolution you are looking for:
> http://www.psych.usyd.edu.au/pdp-11/Images/ken-den.jpeg
No, there's a huge one around, something like 4000x3000 pixels.
Also, Dennis is the bearded one standing, and Ken is the beardless one
sitting, to answer Jason's question.
Cheers,
Warren
Hi,
I'm currently reading J. Lion's commentary of Unix Code Level Six. It
is the most useful commentary to operating system kernel I have ever
read.
It would be really useful to also have the source code of SVR4 kernel
for Intel x86. Does anyone have that?
> To call this joint is complete nonsense. Â Sun was in a cash bind, AT&T
> wanted to make SVR4 the main Unix platform and SunOS was winning. Â The
> story I heard, not widely known, is that AT&T bought a big pile of Sun
> stock at 35% over market - in return for which Sun had to dump their BSD
> based SunOS and go to SVR4.
>
> Biggest mistake Sun ever made in my opinion.
"Sun has helped spark a major controversy within the UNIX community
that may have split it into different directions.
The controversy began to heat up in October 1987, when AT&T announced
that it would license Sun's SPARC architecture as the basis for AT&T
computer systems. Furthermore, said AT&T, it was going to collaborate
with Sun to develop a UNIX "standard" that would eliminate
deficiencies in the operating system--such as lack of features for
commercial applications--and be compatible at the binary level across
the entire SPARC architecture.
Not surprisingly, other companies in the UNIX Community smelled
incipient monopolistic practices that would give AT&T and Sun an
unqualified advantage in the UNIX market. These moves would
effectively make the Sun/AT&T-developed System V and SPARC proprietary
standards controlled by the two companies. This perception was
bolstered in January 1988, when AT&T announced that it had agreed to
purchase 20 percent of Sun by buying shares, in amounts and at times
determined by Sun, at 25 percent above current market value."
[Sunburst: The Ascent of Sun Microsystems, p. 112-113]
> Contrary to a lot of the distant opinions here,
> SVr4 was actually a joint project between USL
> (the AT&T commercial-UNIX organization) and Sun.
> The intent was to bring together the two different
> commercial-UNIX cults (what Stu Feldman once referred
> to as Sunni and Shiite UNIX).
>
> I was at Bell Labs while this was going on, but
> well off to the side of the effort, in a research
> group where we tended (foolishly) to look down
> our noses a bit at the whole thing. I do know that
> there were a lot of ruffled feathers within USL
> about the allegedly overbearing Sun guys, and it
> wouldn't surprise me a bit to hear that there
> were similar feelings going the other way. On
> the other hand there were some pretty smart
> people involved at a technical level on all
> sides.
>
> Certainly it wasn't a one-way street, with BSD-isms
> being injected into a USG system or vice versa.
>
> Norman Wilson
> Toronto ON
Thanks, Norman. This clarify a lot my confusion about SysV.
I'm reading the J. Lions Commentary to V6 UNIX, the ancestor of all
UNIXes, including SysV (if I understood correctly). The last Research
Unix release was Tenth Edition Unix. Is the source code of
releases 8, 9 and 10 available? Are there other commentaries of ancient
Research Unixes, like Lions book?
Thanks,
--Michele
P.S. to Cyrille: Again, my apologies for the confusion. I realized my
mistake just after I sent the mail. I'm really sorry!
Mahlzeit,
some years after losing my MO drive and unable to access my
PUPS copy I would like to redownload it before it perhaps
vanishes. I have forgotten my access data. I believe it was
with rsync. And with all the borken links on the website and
the time going by I am not sure what the current status is.
Is Warren still here? His last posting was from April last year.
Mahlzeit,
Matthias
--
kitty mea felis duodeviginti annos nata requiescat in pace.
laeta gaudiumque meum erat. desiderio eius angor.
Contrary to a lot of the distant opinions here,
SVr4 was actually a joint project between USL
(the AT&T commercial-UNIX organization) and Sun.
The intent was to bring together the two different
commercial-UNIX cults (what Stu Feldman once referred
to as Sunni and Shiite UNIX).
I was at Bell Labs while this was going on, but
well off to the side of the effort, in a research
group where we tended (foolishly) to look down
our noses a bit at the whole thing. I do know that
there were a lot of ruffled feathers within USL
about the allegedly overbearing Sun guys, and it
wouldn't surprise me a bit to hear that there
were similar feelings going the other way. On
the other hand there were some pretty smart
people involved at a technical level on all
sides.
Certainly it wasn't a one-way street, with BSD-isms
being injected into a USG system or vice versa.
Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
