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Re: [TUHS] I just noticed all the cfont aka C++ in research

by Jason Stevens

wow thats perfect, thanks! > ---------- > From: Paul McJones > Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 10:42 AM > To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Cc: Jason Stevens > Subject: Re: [TUHS] I just noticed all the cfont aka C++ in research > > I suppose that it would make sense that all of AT&T's leading edge > projects would use research Unix. I've always heard of the original C++ > to C translator but this is the first time I've actually seen it. > > > > In case you're interested, Bjarne Stroustrup has been helping me collect > early versions of cfront here: > > > http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/c_plus_plus/#cfront > > > Previously we had located a listing of Release E (which we scanned), > source for Release 1.0 of 10/10/85, and source for Release 3.0.3. From > these 9th and 10th edition snapshots, cfront 1.2.2 6/10/87, AT&T C++ > Translator 2.00 06/30/89, AT&T C++ Translator 2.1.0+ 04/01/90, and AT&T > C++ Translator 2.1++ 08/24/90 join the list. >

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Re: [TUHS] I just noticed all the cfont aka C++ in research

by Paul McJones

> I suppose that it would make sense that all of AT&T's leading edge projects would use research Unix. I've always heard of the original C++ to C translator but this is the first time I've actually seen it. In case you’re interested, Bjarne Stroustrup has been helping me collect early versions of cfront here: http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/c_plus_plus/#cfront Previously we had located a listing of Release E (which we scanned), source for Release 1.0 of 10/10/85, and source for Release 3.0.3. From these 9th and 10th edition snapshots, cfront 1.2.2 6/10/87, AT&T C++ Translator 2.00 06/30/89, AT&T C++ Translator 2.1.0+ 04/01/90, and AT&T C++ Translator 2.1++ 08/24/90 join the list.

8 years, 4 months

Re: [TUHS] Ninth Edition incomplete?

by Norman Wilson

Joerg Schilling: BTW: UNOS has been sold to real customers from it's beginning. Was UNIX V8 available outside AT&T? ===== I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Which of your body parts is so small as to make you insecure, and which UNIX distributions are your body parts drawn from? To answer the question seriously, though: as I think I've already explained here, Eighth Edition UNIX was available under special per-site licensing (a letter agreement) to educational institutions. I'm not sure what the official criterion was: I helped make the tape, but wasn't involved in the paperwork. I believe the total was about a dozen places. A few of them did interesting work with the system that was published e.g. at USENIX conferences (Princeton comes to mind), but most I think never even booted the system up. By then there were other members of the UNIX family that were more comfortable for general use, and people were more interested in the ideas than in the code. And of course we were a research group. We weren't making things for customers. We were sharing our work, to the extent the laywers and our own limited resources allowed. That was the last time the Computing Science Research Center attempted anything like a formal distribution. Any `distributions' after that are just snapshots of a constantly-evolving system. Norman Wilson Toronto ON (Body parts not available on github. Sorry.)

8 years, 4 months

IP in v8-v10

by Doug McIlroy

> > Can you characterize what the 3rd-party material might be? > > Me personally, no. But there are others on the list who can help do this. > Hopefully they will chime in! Here's a list, gathered from the manuals, of stuff that Bell Labs may not have the right to redistribute, with some (uncertain) attributions of origin. I did not check to see which of them appear in the TUHS archives; I doubt that /usr/src fully covered /bin and /usr/bin. This list is at best a first draft. Please weigh in with corrections. Doug Kernel internet code. BSD Imported commands esterel INRIA lisp, liszt, lxref MIT icont, iconc Arizona macsyma MIT maple Maplesoft Mail BSD matlab Mathworks more BSD (From the manpage: "More, a paginator that lives up to its name, has too many features to describe." Its prodigality has been eclipsed by "less".) netnews Duke ops5 CMU pascal, pc BSD pxp BSD readnews, checknews, postnews Duke sdb BSD smp Wolfram spitbol IIT telnet BSD tex Stanford tset BSD vi, ex, edit BSD Commands I'm not sure about, could be from Bell Labs cyntax news ropy strings Library functions termcap BSD Imported games adventure, zork, aarvark, rogue atc doctor MIT mars trek, ogre, sol, warp, sail Games I'm not sure about back boggle, hangman cribbage, fish ching gebam imp mille pacman pengo swar tso

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Re: [TUHS] Ninth Edition incomplete?

by Norman Wilson

Joerg Schilling: Interesting that they created a name clash: "p" was the name of a pager on UNOS, the first realtime UNIX lookalike from former AT&T employees. ===== p was something Rob Pike brought when he arrived in 1980. I believe he wrote its first version several years earlier, when he was at the University of Toronto. Since UNOS dates from 1981 (says Wikipedia), I think Rob's p gets precedence. Not that it matters. There never was, nor should there ever have been, some global register of UNIX command names during its formative years. UNIX was a research platform and a living work-in-progress until it became productized in the latter part of the 1980s. And, of course, UNOS was a lookalike written from scratch. It wasn't UNIX. If it wanted to be, it should have adopted Rob's p! Norman Wilson Toronto ON (Not in a particularly serious mood)

8 years, 4 months

Re: [TUHS] How did you ...

by Doug McIlroy

> [cpp] only became a separate program later than [v6] It came into the manual in v8.

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Re: [TUHS] How did you ...

by Norman Wilson

Noel Chiappa: Separate program in the V7 distro, though: http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V7/usr/src/cmd/cpp ==== Indeed it was. I recall people using it, calling it by its full pathname, /lib/cpp. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

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Re: [TUHS] How did you ...

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Doug McIlroy >> [cpp] only became a separate program later than [v6] > It came into the manual in v8. Separate program in the V7 distro, though: http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V7/usr/src/cmd/cpp Noel

8 years, 4 months

Re: [TUHS] Ninth Edition incomplete?

by Doug McIlroy

> I find it striking that v9 is missing stuff like more or less. As indeed you should. No programs are more antithetical to the

8 years, 4 months

Ninth Edition incomplete?

by Doug McIlroy

> Does someone have a more complete distribution of the Ninth Edition >From the README and file dates, it is clear that what tuhs has had evolved considerably from the Research system described in the v9 manual. It had been ported to Sun and outfitted with X11. Some lacunae are attributable to the absence of /bin shell scripts; many things were apparently pruned as being of no interest to the installation at hand. It should be borne in mind that there never was such a thing as a "distribution" of v8, v9, or v10. The manuals described the Research computing environment, not a package prepared for shipment. Responsibility for the latter had been taken over by the Unix Support Group. It would be interesting to have a precis of the provenance of the system on view. Doug

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