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by jsteve＠superglobalmegacorp.com

For the 99% of us that don’t have a SUN-3, it’ll run on TME. I followed the instructions on abiyo.net on installing SunOS 4.1.1 onto TME ( http://www.abiyo.net/retrocomputing/installingsunos411tosun3emulatedintme08… ), and then added in the v9.tar file, and walked through the instructions on bootstrapping v9 from SunOS. I just cheated by copying the SunOS disk into a new scsi disk so I didn’t have to go through the fun of labeling it. TME emulates a SUN3-150 although the BIOS appears to be for a SUN3-160(?).. so the kernel unix.v75 will work when altering the proto0a file. TME can be a little (lot!) touchy to get working, but with enough persistence you can get it booting the ‘funinthe’ v9 image. Sent from Mail for Windows 10

8 years, 3 months

Ninth Edition incomplete?

by Norman Wilson

I'll have to have a look at what's actually in the archive, but it's important to understand that there was barely a `distribution' of 8/e and never really any of subsequent systems. There was a distinct V8 tape, assembled mainly by Dennis with some help from me, in the fall of 1984. It did not exactly match the manuals that were printed, I think only for internal use, a few months before. It was sent out to about a dozen universities (and perhaps other sorts of non-commercial places), with an individual letter agreement with each destination to cover licensing. Anything after that from the original Computing Science Research Centre was effectively just random snapshots. There was a Ninth Edition manual printed up, but it still didn't really match the state of the system, partly because nobody felt up to doing the all that work and partly because various parts of the system were still changing rapidly. I remember personally making a few such snapshots at various times, e.g. one for a certain university (again under a one-off letter agreement), another for the official UNIX System Labs folks in Summit (I took the tape over there personally and helped get the system running). I have no idea whether any of those is in Warren's archives, and I don't remember whether anyone else made any such snapshots, though my role in the group by then was such that I'd probably have been involved. The `V9 for Sun' distribution was done by someone from one of our sister groups. He took a snapshot of our system at some point and worked from that. There wasn't any organized way to keep his stuff in sync with ours, and I don't think his stuff got a lot of use in the long run so there was little motivation to fix that. All of that at least partly explains the skew between system and manual pages; it was really like that. (Remember, we were a research group, not a production computing centre or a development shop.) Snapshots may have been made hastily enough that some things were missed, too. The 10/e manual came out in early 1990. It happened because enough of us wanted to have a current manual again, Doug was willing to take on the big task of overall editing for Volume 1, and Andrew Hume was energized to make Volume 2 happen--the first Volume 2 since the Seventh Edition. There was a lot of rewriting, cleanup, merging of related entries, and discarding of stuff we no longer used or no longer considered an official part of the system. I remember that the first printed copies arrived just in time for me to get one before I left the wretched suburbs forever in June 1990. Since I'd spent a lot of time working over the power-of-two sections (2 4 8), I was pleased about that. One thing that helped energize others about that manual, by the way, was that I felt the parts I was responsible for were way, way out of date, and that it was no longer accurate for the system to call itself Ninth Edition when it booted. But Edition always meant the manual, so Tenth Edition would be wrong too. I made the boot message say 9Vr2. I figured that would annoy people enough to help convince them to help get a new manual out. I have no data as to how big a help that was. I don't know how many `V10 distributions' Warren has at this point, but one of them is derived from a snapshot I made during a visit to Bell Labs in 1994 or 1995. I had rescued some MicroVAXes before they disappeared into dumpsters, and decided it would be fun to set up a system or two running Research UNIX for my private enjoyment. (I was working at a university that had a letter agreement for 9/e--one of the tapes I'd made, in fact--and a certain department head at Bell Labs decided that as long as I didn't spread the code around, that was probably enough to keep lawyers happy.) I made rather a raw snapshot of the root, /usr, and the whole master source-code area, but with /etc/passwd trimmed of any real passwords. Some years later (and with the help of the resulting running systems) I made a few tar images for Warren to keep in his secret box pending the license issue (which we were discussing even back then). I removed some stuff that didn't belong to Bell Labs and wasn't really part of the system (e.g. some big mathematical packages, a huge bolus of X11 code that had never compiled and never would), and segregated in a separate tar image some stuff that was arguably part of the system but that might technically belong to others (e.g. our workhorse C compiler was based on pcc2, work scj had done over at USG/USL after he'd left the Research world). None of that was really curated either, and there had certainly been further changes to the system since the final 1990 manual was printed, not all of which had been properly reflected in /usr/man. So don't call those systems distributions, because they're not. More important, don't expect them to be fully coherent, because they aren't: they're snapshots, not formal releases. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

8 years, 3 months

Ninth Edition incomplete?

by Diomidis Spinellis

First, many thanks to all people who made it possible to release v8 to v10 and especially to Warren for bringing them together. I went through the files in the Ninth Edition available at http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/Norman_v9/ and I fear that the distribution may be incomplete. The manual pages for most sections are missing. Also, many v8 /usr/src/cmd commands are not available in v9 /cmd. This is the list of the difference between the two sets. 2621 300 300s 4014 450 512restor ac accton Admin apply arcv arff as asa ascii asd at awk bad144 basename bcd bundle byteyears c2 cal calendar cb cbt cc ccom cflow cflow checkeq chgrp clri col comm compact compat config cref crypt csh ct ctags cvcrypt cyntax daemon dcheck deroff des descrypt diction diff3 dircmp dired dmesg dskcpy dump dumpcatch dumpdir efl ether ex expand f77 factor false fcopy finddev flcopy fold fsplit fstat getopt getuid graph group gsi head hideblock hist hoc hp icheck ideal idiff inet install iostat kasb labmake last lcomp ld learn lfactor lint load log logdir look m4 mail Mail makekey man map mesg mips mkbitfs mkstr monk morse ncheck neqn netfsbug newer news nm number numdate oops pack paste pcc1 PDP11 plot primes prof pstat pti ptx punct qed quot random rarepl ratfor rcp readslow refer reloc renice reset restor rev rp07dump rp07rest sa savecore sdb sdiff seq server settod showq snocone spell spline split struct style sum swapon tabs tape tcat tk tp tpr tr trace track trim tsort ul und unexpand uniq units upas uucp uudecode uuencode v8 value view2d vis where wwb wwv xref xstr yacc yes Anyone knows what is going on? Does someone have a more complete distribution of the Ninth Edition that Warren can put online? Diomidis

8 years, 3 months

Re: [TUHS] 8th Edition Research Unix on SIMH

by Nelson H. F. Beebe

I was pleased to see the announcement from David du Colombier <0intro(a)gmail.com> of a SIMH VAX image for the newly-released 8th Edition Research Unix, and I had it downloaded and running in short order. I compiled and ran the traditional hello-world test in C, successfully, but the C++ and Fortran companions would not link: # cat hello.cpp #include <stream> int main(void) { cout << "Hello, world...this is C++" << endl; return (0); } # CC hello.cpp cc hello.cpp -lC ld:hello.cpp: bad magic number I also tried extensions .C, .cxx, and .cc, with the same error. With Fortran, I get # cat hello.f print *,'hello ... This is a Fortran 77 program!' end # f77 hello.f hello.f: MAIN: Undefined: __bufendtab _setvbuf The missing symbols do not appear to be defined anywhere in /lib or /usr/lib, suggesting that some V8 libraries have been lost. David reports privately that he sees the same issues that I see. Can anyone on this list identify the problem? Normally, Unix compilers should supply the necessary libraries for standard-conforming code, and f77 would silently add -lI77 and -lF77. The C++ compiler issue seems to be quite different: adding the -v (trace) option shows what it does: # CC -v hello.cpp cc -v hello.cpp -lC + ld -X /lib/crt0.o hello.cpp -lC -lc ld:hello.cpp: bad magic number The source code, rather than the object code, is passed to the loader. This may have to do with the choice of extension: what did early C++ compilers expect for filenames? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe(a)math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe(a)acm.org beebe(a)computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

8 years, 3 months

Tenth Edition: /usr/include + get it running

by Warren Toomey

All, I've just had an e-mail from someone to say that the two 10th Edition versions we now have in the Unix Archive are missing /usr/include: ----- Forwarded message from someone ----- /usr/include is missing from both Dan's and Norman's archive. Here it is (with a README). The timestamp on these files is: -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 307 Sep 3 1997 README -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 829440 Sep 3 1997 r70include.tar ----- End forwarded message ----- I've put these files into http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/Research/Norman_v10/ Now that we have 9th Edition up and running, it would be good to see 10th Edition also up and running. I know there are people out there who can help with this, so this is a call out for help and for volunteers. Cheers, Warren P.S The UUCP project is now up to 23 sites: https://github.com/DoctorWkt/4bsd-uucp/blob/4.3BSD/uucp.png

8 years, 3 months

TUHS GitHub org

by Cory Smelosky

All, I have created a TUHS-related github org to store: 1). UUCP-related patched software 2). patched/maintained c-news 3). forks et al of newsreaders Largely just to give a central locatiom. Usual disclaimers apply...if you want me to delete the org/change name/transfer ownership/etc just shoot me an email. https://github.com/TUHS -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

8 years, 3 months

Re: [TUHS] Pi, samuel, cin and 8th, 9th, 10th Edition Unix

by Doug McIlroy

> If anyone has any information about 'samuel' or 'cin', > I would be delighted to hear from him or her. cin appears in the v9 and v10 manuals. Thus if the program is found in the wild, there should be no compunction about adding it to the tuhs archive. Doug

8 years, 3 months

Re: [TUHS] [Uucp] bringing systems up

by Cory Smelosky

Due to having an actual NSA VAX...I think I should get NSAVAX ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 30, 2017, at 23:13, Dave Horsfall via Uucp <uucp(a)minnie.tuhs.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, 30 Mar 2017, Kurt H Maier via Uucp wrote: >> >> kremvax and moskvax are online. What's the policy on uucp.map entries >> for hosts that never really existed in the first place? > > Hmmm... I wouldn't mind having "kgbvax" in that case (I've relinquished > "utzoo" to Henry Spencer himself). Or possibly "ciavax" or "fbivax"... > > -- > Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."

8 years, 3 months

Pi, samuel, cin and 8th, 9th, 10th Edition Unix

by Noel Hunt

I was just the other day apprised of the fact that Warren Toomey had finally got permission to make public sources from Eight, Ninth and Tenth Edition Unix. It was Paul McJones from the Software Preservation Group who made me aware of this because some months ago I was in touch with him in regard to the status of source for 'pads/pi' which is on the SPG website. That was donated by Bjorn Stroustrup in 2004 I believe, as an example of a large C++ project, along with sources for 'cfront'. I myself have been working on pads/pi in a desultory fashion since 1990 when I left the Basser Department of Computer Science at the University of Sydney; we had an Eighth Edition licence, hence source code, and all of the blit/jerq utilities. I ported 'pads' to the Plan9 graphics model many years ago, and finally started to port 'pi' to Solaris 11 a couple of years ago. This works in a rudimentary fashion, but needs a Dwarf interface. Given that Bjorn Stroustrup released this code long ago (a much later version than what I had), I daresay there are no problems with its publication. I have, however, also worked on 'samuel' and ported its functionality to the Plan9 'sam'. 'samuel' does not appear in any of the archives that Wareen Toomey has made available, so I am wondering what its status may be. It was written by John Puttress at the labs in the late '80s, when he was apparently working under Ted Kowalski. Ted Kowalski is also a 'person of interest' because he wrote 'cin', the C interpreter, an interface to which exists in 'samuel'. Ted Kowalski unfortunately passed away some years ago and no-one seems to know where the source is. It again, isn't in any of the archives that Wareen Toomey has been able to make available. If anyone has any information about 'samuel' or 'cin', I would be delighted to hear from him or her. Bruce Ellis, who wrote 'cyntax', told me that he worked on 'cin' a lot (in the '90s I think, when he worked at Bell Labs) but it was succeeded by something named 'vice', about which I can find no information. Again, I would be grateful for any information about this. Regards, Noel Hunt

8 years, 3 months

Re: [TUHS] Ethernet in /dev (was Re: Were all of you.. Hippies?)

by Norman Wilson

Joerg Schilling: This is done on a UNIX implementation that uses STREAMS. SVr4 is such a UNIX. ====== I know that SVr4 has STREAMS (somewhat more elaborate than the original stream I/O system, but the same principles), and knew (though I'd forgotten) that Ethernet devices are stream-capable. I did an implementation of the late lamented Coraid's AoE protocol that took advantage of that. Somewhat like the Research IP implementation, in fact: there was an AoE line discipline to be pushed onto an Ethernet device, coupled to devices in /dev/dsk and /dev/rdsk. But is IP done that way in SVr4 (or at least in Solaris, its most-visible descendant)? I had the impression that the IP stack was more like the BSD one, with everything coupled together within the kernel and a fundamentally socket interface. I've never actually looked at the code, though. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

8 years, 3 months

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