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by Wesley Parish

The mention of UNOS a realtime "clone" of Unix in a recent thread raises a question for me. How many Unix clones are there? (My interest in Unix was the result of a local computer magazine, Bits'n'Bytes in the late 80s and early 90s discussing two clones, Minix and Coherent in its Unix column. Then came Linux ...) We've got a timeline (in several forms, in the 4.3BSD and 4.4BSD books and The Magic Garden, on Groklaw, and elsewhere) for Unix and its developments; has anyone done one for the clones? Thanks Wesley Parish "I have supposed that he who buys a Method means to learn it." - Ferdinand Sor, Method for Guitar "A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on." -- Samuel Goldwyn

7 years, 9 months

I just noticed all the cfont aka C++ in research

by Jason Stevens

I suppose that it would make sense that all of AT&T's leading edge projects would use research Unix. I've always heard of the original C++ to C translator but this is the first time I've actually seen it. It doesn't look like it had the wide scale following that C or Fortan had at this point. Sadly my experience with C++ was mostly tied to Borland on the micro in early 90's, which makes it look mature compared to these early versions. It's great finding stuff like this in the tree hiding in plain sight, if only you know what to look for. (http://unix.superglobalmegacorp.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/researchv9/cmd/cfron…) Or that emacs was in the v9 tree, in the religious wars I always imagined NJ being more vi. Thanks again for making this release happen! -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

7 years, 9 months

Re: [TUHS] [Uucp] utzoo

by Dave Horsfall

On Thu, 30 Mar 2017, Warren Toomey via Uucp wrote: > On 03/29/2017 11:09 PM, Dave Horsfall via Uucp wrote: > > Let the cancel/rmgroup/flame wars begin :-) > > :-P And I still bear the scars from the aus.bizarre war... And I'll bet that not many people remember that little episode :-) > > (Been too busy to set up "utzoo" yet, so if anyone is desperate for it > > then they can have it instead; my long-term goal is to run SimH on a > > RasbPi but first I have to afford one...) > > What's your address? I've got an unused Raspberry Pi that I'll send you > (or anyone else). ;-) First come, first serve. To be sent privately... -- Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."

7 years, 9 months

Re: [TUHS] I just noticed all the cfont aka C++ in research

by Jason Stevens

wow thats perfect, thanks! > ---------- > From: Paul McJones > Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 10:42 AM > To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Cc: Jason Stevens > Subject: Re: [TUHS] I just noticed all the cfont aka C++ in research > > I suppose that it would make sense that all of AT&T's leading edge > projects would use research Unix. I've always heard of the original C++ > to C translator but this is the first time I've actually seen it. > > > > In case you're interested, Bjarne Stroustrup has been helping me collect > early versions of cfront here: > > > http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/c_plus_plus/#cfront > > > Previously we had located a listing of Release E (which we scanned), > source for Release 1.0 of 10/10/85, and source for Release 3.0.3. From > these 9th and 10th edition snapshots, cfront 1.2.2 6/10/87, AT&T C++ > Translator 2.00 06/30/89, AT&T C++ Translator 2.1.0+ 04/01/90, and AT&T > C++ Translator 2.1++ 08/24/90 join the list. >

7 years, 9 months

Re: [TUHS] I just noticed all the cfont aka C++ in research

by Paul McJones

> I suppose that it would make sense that all of AT&T's leading edge projects would use research Unix. I've always heard of the original C++ to C translator but this is the first time I've actually seen it. In case you’re interested, Bjarne Stroustrup has been helping me collect early versions of cfront here: http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/c_plus_plus/#cfront Previously we had located a listing of Release E (which we scanned), source for Release 1.0 of 10/10/85, and source for Release 3.0.3. From these 9th and 10th edition snapshots, cfront 1.2.2 6/10/87, AT&T C++ Translator 2.00 06/30/89, AT&T C++ Translator 2.1.0+ 04/01/90, and AT&T C++ Translator 2.1++ 08/24/90 join the list.

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Re: [TUHS] Ninth Edition incomplete?

by Norman Wilson

Joerg Schilling: BTW: UNOS has been sold to real customers from it's beginning. Was UNIX V8 available outside AT&T? ===== I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Which of your body parts is so small as to make you insecure, and which UNIX distributions are your body parts drawn from? To answer the question seriously, though: as I think I've already explained here, Eighth Edition UNIX was available under special per-site licensing (a letter agreement) to educational institutions. I'm not sure what the official criterion was: I helped make the tape, but wasn't involved in the paperwork. I believe the total was about a dozen places. A few of them did interesting work with the system that was published e.g. at USENIX conferences (Princeton comes to mind), but most I think never even booted the system up. By then there were other members of the UNIX family that were more comfortable for general use, and people were more interested in the ideas than in the code. And of course we were a research group. We weren't making things for customers. We were sharing our work, to the extent the laywers and our own limited resources allowed. That was the last time the Computing Science Research Center attempted anything like a formal distribution. Any `distributions' after that are just snapshots of a constantly-evolving system. Norman Wilson Toronto ON (Body parts not available on github. Sorry.)

7 years, 9 months

IP in v8-v10

by Doug McIlroy

> > Can you characterize what the 3rd-party material might be? > > Me personally, no. But there are others on the list who can help do this. > Hopefully they will chime in! Here's a list, gathered from the manuals, of stuff that Bell Labs may not have the right to redistribute, with some (uncertain) attributions of origin. I did not check to see which of them appear in the TUHS archives; I doubt that /usr/src fully covered /bin and /usr/bin. This list is at best a first draft. Please weigh in with corrections. Doug Kernel internet code. BSD Imported commands esterel INRIA lisp, liszt, lxref MIT icont, iconc Arizona macsyma MIT maple Maplesoft Mail BSD matlab Mathworks more BSD (From the manpage: "More, a paginator that lives up to its name, has too many features to describe." Its prodigality has been eclipsed by "less".) netnews Duke ops5 CMU pascal, pc BSD pxp BSD readnews, checknews, postnews Duke sdb BSD smp Wolfram spitbol IIT telnet BSD tex Stanford tset BSD vi, ex, edit BSD Commands I'm not sure about, could be from Bell Labs cyntax news ropy strings Library functions termcap BSD Imported games adventure, zork, aarvark, rogue atc doctor MIT mars trek, ogre, sol, warp, sail Games I'm not sure about back boggle, hangman cribbage, fish ching gebam imp mille pacman pengo swar tso

7 years, 9 months

Re: [TUHS] Ninth Edition incomplete?

by Norman Wilson

Joerg Schilling: Interesting that they created a name clash: "p" was the name of a pager on UNOS, the first realtime UNIX lookalike from former AT&T employees. ===== p was something Rob Pike brought when he arrived in 1980. I believe he wrote its first version several years earlier, when he was at the University of Toronto. Since UNOS dates from 1981 (says Wikipedia), I think Rob's p gets precedence. Not that it matters. There never was, nor should there ever have been, some global register of UNIX command names during its formative years. UNIX was a research platform and a living work-in-progress until it became productized in the latter part of the 1980s. And, of course, UNOS was a lookalike written from scratch. It wasn't UNIX. If it wanted to be, it should have adopted Rob's p! Norman Wilson Toronto ON (Not in a particularly serious mood)

7 years, 9 months

Re: [TUHS] How did you ...

by Doug McIlroy

> [cpp] only became a separate program later than [v6] It came into the manual in v8.

7 years, 9 months

Re: [TUHS] How did you ...

by Norman Wilson

Noel Chiappa: Separate program in the V7 distro, though: http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V7/usr/src/cmd/cpp ==== Indeed it was. I recall people using it, calling it by its full pathname, /lib/cpp. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

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