Hi all. First up, it's TUHS so please no DKIM/email chatter here. Only a
few of you are involved and it's not relevant to Unix history.
Grant Taylor and Tom Ivar Helbekkmo having been working behind the scenes to
find a good solution. We are hoping to a) merge the two lists back together,
b) reinstate [TUHS] and non-mangled From: lines, and c) keep most MTAs
happy in the process.
With some luck, all of this will be resolved. So, let's get back to the
discussion of old Unix systems :)
Thanks, Warren
All, there are now two variants of the TUHS mailing list. E-mail sent
to tuhs(a)tuhs.org will propagate to both of them.
The main TUHS list now:
- doesn't strip incoming DKIM headers
- doesn't alter the From: line
- doesn't alter the Subject: line
and hopefully will keep most mail systems happy.
The alternative, "mangled", TUHS list:
- strips incoming DKIM headers
- alters the From: line
- alters the Subject: line to say [TUHS]
- puts in DKIM headers once this is done
and hopefully will keep most mail systems happy but in a different way.
You can choose to belong to either list, just send me an e-mail if
you want to be switched to the other one. But be patient to start with
as there will probably be quite a few wanting to change.
Cheers, Warren
And now, we bring the RMS/Gnu thread to a close :-)
To kick a more relevant thread off, what was the "weirdest" Unix system you used & why? Could be an emulation like Eunice, could be the hardware e.g NULL was not zero, NUXI byte ordering etc.
Cheers, Warren
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> From: Don Hopkins
> Solaris: so bad I left the company.
Why was Solaris so much worse than SunOS?
I guess the Sun management didn't understand that was the case? Or were they
so hot for the AT+T linkup that they were willing to live with it?
Noel
As I've said elsewhere, Sun was out of money. AT&T bought $200m of Sun
stock at 35% over market but Sun had to dump SunOS and got to SVR4.
I don't know if Scooter knew what he was dumping or not, I suspect not
but all those late nights when he came over to egg us kernel geeks on,
maybe he did know. I don't think he had a choice.
On Sun, Oct 01, 2017 at 12:59:42PM -0400, Arthur Krewat via TUHSmangle wrote:
> From Sun's point of view, what was the REAL reason to move from SunOS to
> Solaris?
>
> I don't think I've read anything anywhere as to a real technical reason. Was
> it just some stuffed-shirt's "great idea"?
>
> Or was it really a standards-based or other reality-based reason?
>
> As of SunOS 4.1.4, it seemed ready to go whole-hog into SMP, so that wasn't
> the sole reason.
>
> thanks!
> art k.
>
>
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Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.comhttp://www.mcvoy.com/lm
I’m an HPC guy. The only good OS is one that is not executing any instructions except mine. No daemons, no interrupts, nothing. Load my code, give me all physical memory, give me direct access to the interconnect and then get out of the way. If I want anything, I will let you know, but don’t wait up.
When I put on an educator’s hat I still have a soft spot for V6 and V7. Those were my first exposure to Unix and the Unix Way. One could actually learn style by reading code and writing device drivers. These days kernels (Linux at least) are too complicated and too cluttered up with ifdefs to learn much. The real recent innovations like RCU and queuing locks and NUMA affinity are buried pretty deep, and actual reliable file systems like ZFS and BTRFS are just too complicated for mortals.
As a user, what I really want are reliability, the commands and utilities, and stable APIs. I don’t like a lot of things about Posix, but it is at least a little stable and a little portable. For myself, I use MacOS and Debian Linux, and open, close, read, write.
-Larry
On Sun, 1 Oct 2017, arnold(a)skeeve.com wrote:
> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 09:13:28 -0600
> Michael Parson <mparson(a)bl.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2017-09-30 12:53, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
>>> On 2017-09-30 10:40, Michael Parson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've recently found instructions for installing SunOS 4.1.3 under
>>>> qemu-sparc that I want to try as well.
>>>
>>> Can you share a pointer to those with us?
>>
>> Sure:
>>
>> https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/QEMU/SunOS_4.1.4
>>
>> Oops, 4.1.4, not .3. :)
>
> So then the next question is where can one find install media (or
> image thereof...)
I bought a boxed copy of 'Solaris 1.1.2' off e-bay many moon ago,
though I've been told it can be found with the google search term of
'winworldpc'.
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Michael Parson
Pflugerville, TX
KF5LGQ
On Sep 28, 2017 11:02 PM, "Kevin Bowling" <kevin.bowling(a)kev009.com> wrote:
What is your favorite UNIX. Three possible categories, choose one or more:
1) Free
2) Forced to use a commercial platform. I guess that could include
macOS and z/OS with some vivid imagination, maybe even NT.
3) Historical
1. FreeBSD. It's super stable and tends to be logical. The documentation is great once you get over the learning curve. Debian is a close second for the same reasons. Mint with KDE Plasma 5 is beautiful and user friendly.
2. I used Sun OS with a CDE-like interface back in the day and that was ok. Mac OS X 10.5-10.12 are great.
3. I enjoy the research versions of unix and other OSes that are available for the SimH PDP 11 emulator.
Will
