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by Arthur Krewat

Probably no one here wants it, but I have a DR11-W UNIBUS board: http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/unibus/DR11W_UsersMan.pdf It's basically a 16-bit DMA interface that can actually do 500Kw per second (woo hoo! 1MB/sec!) to another DR11-W Anyone need it? Want it? Figured I'd try here first, in case we had some historic UNIX people that were still running a UNIBUS PDP-11 (or VAX). No takers in a few weeks, I'll try the museums next. thanks art k.

7 years, 6 months

Re: [TUHS] DR11-W - anyone need one?

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Toby Thain > Are we to infer that neither Noel and Clem are "good homes"? Well, I said something like 'I don't have an immediate need for it, but I'd be happy to take it', so I guess the question is 'does someone have an actual, immediate use for it' (which I don't)? Noel

7 years, 6 months

Adventure shell / Doug Gwyn

by David

Does anyone here remember the Adventure Shell? Doug wrote it back in 83, and I just stumbled across a copy in an RCS directory. Invoked as ‘ash’ it was pretty clever. I’ve lost the instructions and help files, however I’ve got the main script. Back when people did weird things because it was fun. David

7 years, 6 months

Re: [TUHS] What did cc -2 do?

by Richard Tobin

> Browsing the source for "cc" in v6 and v7, if invoked with -2 would > replace crt0.o with crt2.o. If the -2 were followed by another character > (probably intended to be -20), it would use crt20.o and use -l2 instead > of -lc. > > These options seem to be undocumented, and I can't find any source code > of these libraries or indication as to what the purpose was. The "scc" man page for System V may be enlightening, as it mentions similarly-named files: NAME scc - C compiler for stand-alone programs SYNOPSIS scc [ +[ lib ] ] [ option ] ... [ file ] ... DESCRIPTION Scc prepares the named files for stand-alone execution. [...] FILES /lib/crt2.o execution start-off /usr/lib/lib2.a stand-alone library /usr/lib/lib2A.a +A configuration library /usr/lib/lib2B.a +B configuration library -- Richard -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

7 years, 6 months

Re: [TUHS] 211bsd: kernel panic after a 'here document' in tcsh

by Walter F.J. Mueller

Hi, two remarks on the issues around FPSIM and tcsh: I of course wondered by a line like mov $4..,r0 is accepted by 'as', I naively expected that this should cause an error. I didn't locate the 211bsd 'as' manual, so checked 7th Edition manuals, which can be found under https://wolfram.schneider.org/bsd/7thEdManVol2/ The assembler manual, see https://wolfram.schneider.org/bsd/7thEdManVol2/assembler/assembler.pdf states 6.1 Expression operators The operators are: (blank) when there is no operand between operands, the effect is exactly the same as if a ‘+’ had appeared. So the lexer sees two tokens $4. --> number . --> symbol for location counter and, because the default operator is '+', interprets this as mov $4. + . , r0 which ends up being a number in the 160000 to 177777 range. So 'as' is not to blame, works as designed. Noel Chippa wrote: > I'm fairly amazed that apparently nobody has run across one of these 4 before! > (Or, at least, not bothered to report it.) > I wonder how long that bug has been in the code? The answer is: this bug was in 211bsd all the time. Steven Schultz told me that that they simply didn't have a way to test FPSIM because all machines had FPP, and the only way of testing would have been to physically remove the FP11 from a 11/70. With best regards, Walter

7 years, 7 months

What did cc -2 do?

by Random832

Browsing the source for "cc" in v6 and v7, if invoked with -2 would replace crt0.o with crt2.o. If the -2 were followed by another character (probably intended to be -20), it would use crt20.o and use -l2 instead of -lc. These options seem to be undocumented, and I can't find any source code of these libraries or indication as to what the purpose was.

7 years, 7 months

Obscure Blit menu data structure

by Noel Hunt

I was hoping someone on the list who remembers 'mhit.c' from the Blit library code could shed some light on some members of the 'NMitem' structure. I believe that 'mhit' (sometimes 'hmenunit') was written by Andrew Hume. The structure in question is this: typedef struct NMitem { char *text; char *help; struct NMenu *next; void (*dfn)(), (*bfn)(), (*hfn)(); long data; /* user only */ } NMitem; The three functions are called at different times when a menu is being traversed, but 'dfn' and 'bfn' are only called before a submenu is entered, and after a submenu is exited, respectively. 'hfn' is called whenever an item has been selected. I have never seen 'dfn' and 'bfn' used in any Bell Labs code so I was wondering what the rationale for their existence was. Noel Hunt

7 years, 7 months

International conference: "Unix in Europe : between innovation, diffusion and heritage"

by Paloque-berges Camille

Dear THUS list, I am a recent lurker on this list, also a history and communication scholar looking at pieces of Unix history for my research. I hope it is okay if I share with you the news of a historical conference on Unix that we are organizing in France next Fall with fellow humanities scholars and computer scientists and engineers involved in the history and heritage of computing and computers. You are of course welcomed, even encouraged, to submit a proposal. It will be a pleasure to meet you at this conference in any case. Best, Camille Paloque-Berges *** Please find enclosed the CFP for the *international conference**"Unix in Europe: between innovation, diffusion and heritage"* that will take place in Cnam (Paris, France), October, 19th, 2017. A one-page abstract (maximum 500 words) with a short biography is expected for June 30th 2017. The Cfp is also available at : <http://technique-societe.cnam.fr/international-symposium-unix-in-europe-bet…>. Best regards, The organization comitee : Isabelle Astic, Raphaël Fournier-S'niehotta, Pierre-Eric Mounier-Kuhn, Camille Paloque-Berges, Loïc Petitgirard ------------------------------------------------------------ *Call for contributions* *International symposium * *Unix in Europe: between innovation, diffusion and heritage* */Conservatoire National des Arts et Métiers, Paris, France – October 19 2017/* ** Communications and discussions will be held in French or English. * * *Rationale* * * **The Unix system was born in the 1970s at the crossroads between two interacting worlds: industry (the Bell Labs at AT&T) and academia (the University of Berkeley computer science network). Its fast adoption throughout computer research and engineering networks across the world signaled the future success of the new system, fostering software experiments within its open, multi-user and multi-tasking system running on mini-computers – and later compatible with a larger part of computer hardware. In the European context, how was this American innovation propagated, adopted and adapted? Why was Unix of so much interest in this context, then and now? A solid culture of Unix users might also explain this success, as well as subsequent processes of appropriation and inheritance, due to the long and complex history of Unix versioning. The memory of Unix users is vivid indeed, fed by early accounts within the computer world (Salus, 1994) as well as preservation initiatives (Toomey, 2010). Moreover, the Unix system is a crucial reference in the history of computing, in particular in the field of free and open source software (Kelty, 2008), computer networks (Paloque-Berges, 2017), as well as in programming language philosophy (Mélès, 2013). In order to explore the variety of these interrogations, this symposium encourages contributions from historians as well as philosophers, social science researchers, and heritage professionals interested in the history of computer open systems and software with a focus on Unix or who have a wider perspective. It will also welcome protagonists and witnesses of Unix culture and carriers of its memory. We wish to discuss and shed light on several aspects of the development of Unix in Europe (including in comparison or relation with the rest of the world) along three main lines: historical and sociological, philosophical and epistemological, and heritage- and preservation-oriented. *1/ Historical and sociological perspectives* * * Historically, the Unix system is linked to the promotion and development in research on open systems and computer networks. How does this fit in the context of industrial, scientific and technological policies defined at the national and European level? The history of Unix thus reaches at least three levels of interrogations: 1/ the forms, places and practices of innovation around Unix in R&D labs and computing centers in companies, schools and universities; 2/ planning, promoting and negotiating open systems (norms and standards) from the perspective of science and/or politics; 3/ international geopolitical relations, whether economical or geopolitical and even geostrategic (for example between Unix users, with users of other computer equipment or other hardware and software companies, the role of embargos in the shipping of mini-computers, of code, and military uses of Unix). In parallel, how has the world of computer research welcomed, encouraged, negotiated and propagated uses and innovations related to Unix systems? This begs the question of how Unix-related research and development was legitimized - or played a part in the legitimization of computer science experimentalism in the scientific field and beyond. We would also like to highlight practices of resistance, the failure to acknowledge, ignorance of or even the limits of the Unix system, its software tools and hardware environment (beginning with the famous PDP and Vax machines from Digital Equipment where the first Unix versions were implemented). With a focus on occupational computer uses, we call for analysis which aims to explore and clarify: - the role of developers, users, and user associations – from the point of view of pioneers as well as helpers, maintainers and other witnesses of the implementation of Unix; - the context, process, and people who determined its propagation, appropriation, and development over time; - the meaning of concepts of Unix philosophy and ethics such as “openness” and “autonomy”, from a social, political or economic point of view. *2. Philosophical and epistemological perspectives* We will foster research and reflection at the crossroad of the theoretical foundations of computer systems and engineering pragmatism, between the philosophy of computer systems and Unixian practices. Protagonists in the conception and diffusion of Unix often claim to have a ‘Unix philosophy’ . But beyond statement of principle, what was the real influence of this idea on the technical choices underlying the system’s developments? What are the ethical, moral, and philosophical motivations – alongside the social, political or economic dimensions discussed earlier – underpinning the adoption of Unix or pretending to extend it (for instance in relation to the notions of sharing, modularity or freedom)? How is the idea of ‘openness’ attached to Unix practices and heritage (free software, open source) conceived? What are the theoretical developments to be drawn from it (for instance with the idea of open software)? The logical and mathematical foundations of Unix should be readdressed. Do the fundamental concepts of Unix have an ontological or metaphysical significance beyond the sole research aim of technical efficiency? What role do aesthetics play in the formulation of general principles and technical choices? How can we analyze programming languages such as C and its successors, scripts, software, and generally speaking, the proliferating source codes of Unix? How do we consider the system, the software environment, as well as the hardware in which Unix is implemented and executed? Such philosophical questions also cover the modalities of the transmission of Unix, extending to the investigation of the respective roles of theory and practice in the teaching of the system, the teaching of knowledge and tools underlying the system or supporting the system. *3. Unix heritage and ‘heritagization’* ** France is now the home to multiple initiatives taking place to build and preserve a material and immaterial heritage of computer science and technology – such as ‘Software Heritage’ at INRIA, a global software archive in progress. The Museum of Arts et Métiers gave impetus to the MINF initiative (‘Pour un Musée de l’informatique et du numérique’) and coordinates the ‘Patstec Mission’ dealing with contemporary scientific and technological heritage preservation, including computer science. At an international scale and with a grassroots perspective carried by the community of Unix users, the TUHS (The Unix Heritage Society) demonstrates the current interest in the specific heritage linked to Unix. We encourage reflections on this heritage and its specific features: - What is the place of Unix in the construction of computer science heritage? Is it possible to map Unix systems and their heritage, from the standpoint of machines, languages and software? What has already been collected? What corpus, data bases, and/or platforms with a patrimonial mission are concerned with Unix and to what purpose? - How are the questions of training, constitution and diffusion of a Unix culture incorporated in the effort to collect heritage? How do we evaluate and put forward the importance of immaterial heritage attached to Unix, considering the effects of community and memory in its history and for the writing of its history? - What are the practices and modalities advocated by the unixian heritage itself? What has been its influence on the field of computer engineering and research as well as diverse fields such as: popularization of science and technology, ‘hacker’ movements and many ‘maker’ practices today (Lallement, 2016)? *Schedules* Please send a one-page abstract (maximum 500 words) with a short biography by June 30, 2017 to: camille.paloque-berges(a)cnam.fr <mailto:camille.paloque-berges@lecnam.net>and loic.petitgirard(a)cnam.fr <mailto:loic.petitgirard@cnam.fr>. Accepted contributions and speakers will be notified by July 15, 2017. *Organizing committee* Isabelle Astic (Musée des arts et métiers) Raphaël Fournier-S’niehotta (Cédric, Cnam) Pierre-Eric Mounier-Kuhn (CRM, Paris 1) Camille Paloque-Berges (HT2S, Cnam) Loïc Petitgirard (HT2S, Cnam) *Scientific committee * François Anceau (UMPC-LIP6)** Pierre Cubaud (Cédric, Cnam) Liesbeth de Mol (STL, Lille 3) Claudine Fontanon (CAK, EHESS) Gérald Kembellec (DICEN, Cnam) Baptiste Mélès (Archives Henri Poincaré, CNRS) Pierre Paradinas (Cédric, Cnam, SIF) Giuseppe Primiero (Middlesex University) Lionel Tabourier (LIP6, Paris 6)** *Institutional partners and support: * - Project « Hist.Pat.info.Cnam », HT2S, Cnam – Research program supported by the Excellence laboratory History and Anthropology of Knoweldge, Technics and Beliefs (HASTEC), and in partnership with the laboratories CEDRIC (Cnam), DICEN (Cnam), and the Center Alexandre Koyré (EHESS). - « Histoire de l’informatique » (« History of computing » seminar) seminar - (Musée des arts et métiers, CRM, Paris 1, UMPC-LIP6) - « Source code » seminar - (CNRS, Cnam, Université Paris 6). With support from the DHST/DLMPST for the History and Philosophy of Computing (HAPOC) *Bibliography * Kelty, Christopher M. 2008. /Two Bits: The Cultural Significance of Free Software/. Durham: Duke University Press Books. Lallement, Michel. 2016. /L’âge du faire, /Seuil. Mélès, Baptiste. 2003. « Unix selon l’ordre des raisons : la philosophie de la pratique informatique ». /Philosophia Scientiæ/17 (3): 181‑98. Salus, Peter H. 1994. /A quarter century of UNIX/. Addison-Wesley. Reading. Toomey, Warren. 2010. « First Edition Unix: Its Creation and Restoration ». /IEEE Annals of the History of Computing/ 32 (3): 74‑82. * * **

7 years, 7 months

Re: [TUHS] 211bsd: kernel panic after a 'here document' in tcsh

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: "Walter F.J. Mueller" > the kernel panic after tcsh here documents is understood. Very nice detective work! > The kernel panic is due to a coding error in mch_fpsim.s. ... After > fixing the "$SIGILL." ... and three similar cases I'm fairly amazed that apparently nobody has run across one of these 4 before! (Or, at least, not bothered to report it.) I wonder how long that bug has been in the code? Noel

7 years, 7 months

Re: [TUHS] 211bsd: kernel panic after a 'here document' in tcsh

by Johnny Billquist

On 2017-06-11 04:00, "Walter F.J. Mueller" <w.f.j.mueller(a)retro11.de> wrote: > Hi, > > the kernel panic after tcsh here documents is understood. > And fixed, at least on my system. Nice work. Looking forward to patch #250. And to respond to Noels remark about this being around for a long time without reports - since this is in FPSIM, and I believe the notes for 2.11BSD even says that this is an untested piece of code, which are not even know if it works or not, it's not something that have been used for ages. I'm in a way surprised it even worked at all. I think I've seen somewhere that it was last tested around 2.9BSD, and have not been officially tested since. > The essential hint was Johnny's observation that on his system he gets > an "Illegal instruction - core dumped" and no kernel panic. Well, had I had FPP simulated, I would maybe not have gotten a kernel panic anyway. It would all depend on where the address ended up. With my current build, the kernel would have been able to read the address, since it pointed into the boot diagnostics rom. So it's a dicey error at best. But the tcsh error was very good that you also figured out. And I guess it means we now have a known working FPSIM. :-) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

7 years, 7 months

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