> From: Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com>
> Did you read the reddit link I sent?
No, because I despise Reddit.
> Because if you had you wouldn't be asking this.
Now that I look at it, most of what I lists is ISP's _blocking_ sites.
I _already_ said I wanted to see a rule preventing that.
> unregulated businesses will do whatever they can to make more money with
> absolutely no concern about the consequences
Sure - like content providers.
Noel
> From: Clem Cole
> Just like the electric company, needs to deliver electrons at some
> rate/force.
If you want electrons at more than X bazillion per second, you'll have to pay
to have a higher-amperage service. And if you use more electrons, you pay
more. What's your problem with ISPs doing the same?
Noel
> From: Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com>
> look at the history, various ISPs like Verizon, Comcast, etc, have done
> stuff like block bittorrent, skype, etc
Bittorrent is a complex situation, some ISPs were ordered by a court to block
it.
As to Skype, I agree ISPs shouldn't block sites - but if you read my message,
I already said that.
> The problem is I paid for the bits. Bits is bits. I paid for a rate,
> that's what they got paid for, why should they get to charge a second
> time for the same bits? That's exactly what they want to do.
Fine, you pay your money, you get X Mbits/second.
If you (or the site you're getting bits from) wants _more_ than X
Mbits/second, charging you - or them, which is I gather mostly what ISPs want
to do - for that privilege is a problem... how?
Noel
Anyone on TUHS who made the list?
Greeting from your Dutch uncle rubl
For all the sound advise you don't want to hear.
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 13:23:13 +1100 (EST)
From: Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org>
To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs(a)tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] Happy birthday, Grace Hopper and J.F.Ossana!
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On Sat, 9 Dec 2017, Ralph Corderoy wrote:
>> Yeah, but all the same, two famous people in the same industry would
>> surely lengthen the odds somewhat...
>
> Yeah, you're pulling my leg. :-)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_scientists
OK, it was worth a try :-) (I'm a born stirrer, and I blame my parents
for that.)
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
(At the risk of being flamed because it's not strictly Unix...)
We gained Rear Admiral Grace Hopper on this day in 1906; known as "Amazing
Grace", she was a remarkable woman, both in computers and the Navy. She
coined the term "debugging" when she extracted a moth from a set of relay
contacts from a computer (the Harvard Mk I) and wrote "computer debugged"
in the log, taping the deceased Lepidoptera in there as well. She was
convinced that computers could be programmed in an English-like language
and developed Flow-Matic, which in turn became, err, COBOL... She was
posthumously awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2016 by Barack
Obama.
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
As promised :-)
Augusta Ada King-Noel, Countess of Lovelace (and daughter of Lord Byron),
was born on this day in 1815; arguably the world's first computer
programmer and a highly independent woman, she saw the potential in
Charles Babbage's new-fangled invention.
J.F.Ossanna was given unto us on this day in 1928; a prolific programmer,
he not only had a hand in developing Unix but also gave us the ROFF
series.
Who'ld've thought that two computer greats would share the same birthday?
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
Something's been bothering me for a while... I've just remembered that
our 11/40 with more peripherals than you could shake a stick at -- it had
just about everything except a DECtape -- also had, so help me, a card
reader! As I dimly recall, 'twas a slow CDC (?) model; we didn't have it
for long, either because it was on loan or because it was so unreliable, I
simply don't remember.
Anyway, our driver handled it in two modes: you either got a raw image of
each card (likely via DMA instead of column by column, but I could be
wrong) i.e. 80 words with each column of 12 holes fitting nicely into a
16-bit word, or there was a half-arsed attempt at converting EBCDIC to
ASCII, with trailing blanks replaced by a newline (i.e. think of it as a
line printer in reverse). Or was it converting from whatever KRONOS used
to ASCII?
Now, what I *distinctly* remember was writing two scripts: "/etc/cdc" and
"/etc/dec" which switched between the two modes, quite likely by patching
the in-core kernel!
I'd give a testicle to have that "CSU tape" back again (and no doubt so
would Warren), but can anyone else remember this (or dare to call me a
liar; yes, I'm still touchy about that)? The snag is, towards the end of
the CSU before they were about to be engulfed by the admin suits and
forced to support payroll programs in COBOL etc, I was the only senior
Unix bod left, so it's unlikely that the CSU source code followed someone
else home...
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."
Hello everyone,
A few weeks ago, I merged my work-in-progress AT&T 3B2/400 emulator
into the main SIMH source tree, and I realized that I should mention
it here, where there may be particular interest.
The 3B2 and 3B5 were main porting platforms for AT&T System V Release
3, and when I realized how scarce the equipment has become to find, I
set out to write an emulator for the 3B2. It was rough going at points
due to lack of documentation, but I was able to reverse engineer quite
a bit of the system through reading the SVR3 source code, and of
course strapping my own 3B2/310 to a logic analyzer.
The emulator is fairly complete. It certainly works well as a
standalone, single-user UNIX system. Support for multiple terminals is
coming very soon (as soon as I find the time, that is) so it will soon
be possible to allow multiple users to telnet into virtual terminals,
similar to how the SIMH PDP-11 and VAX emulators work.
For now, information about the emulator lives here:
https://loomcom.com/3b2/emulator/
Best Wishes,
-Seth
--
Seth Morabito
web(a)loomcom.com
OK. I'm confused. Maybe people here can help me understand.
Looking at the V7 sources, it looks for all the world like they were
released Jan 10, 1979. This release was PDP-11 only. So far, so good.
32V, a port to the VAX, is listed as 'early 1979'. Dates in the files in
the archive suggest March 26th, 1979 (though there are dates as late as May
3rd and April 30th on two files that are trivial). The tape we have in the
archive has a date Feb 22, 1980 written on it. Given the dates, that's only
3 months after V7 was released. This seems very fast, but maybe it's OK
since it's a swapping release....
3BSD, The Berkeley 32V has file dates as late as Mar 22, 1980... This seems
reasonable for turning V7 from swapping into paging... about a year is fast
but not crazy fast.
My question is: did these three events really happen in this quick
succession? Did USDL folks get started with a preliminary V7 for V32 or was
the port really done in 2 and a half months? Likewise with UCB and 3bsd:
did they start early?
Warner
> Venix/86 and Venix/86R might be interesting... I have impure versions of
> both...
+1
Venix/86 is the first Unix to run on PC hardware that I’m aware of. It could
go together with Idris and Minix as examples of early PC Unix.
