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by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Lars Brinkhoff > Emacs is very much divorced from the Unix philosopy. However, it's > perfectly in synch with how things are done in ITS. Hmm. It is complicated, but... the vast majority of my keystrokes are typed into Epsilon (a wonderful, small, fast EMACS-type editor for Windows, etc which one can customize in C) - especially since I started, very early on (V6) to run my shell in an EMACS window, so I could edit commands, and thus I was pretty much always typing to EMACS. So, it makes sense to me to have it be powerful - albeit potentially a bit complex. I say 'potentially' because one could after all restrict oneself to the 4 basic motion commands, and 'delete character'; you don't have to learn what CRTL-ALT-SHIFT-Q does. > Stallman .. developing GNU Emacs (from Gosling's version) Err, I'm not sure how much influence Gosling's was. He had, after all, done the original EMACS on ITS; I got the impression he just set off on his own path to do GNU Emacs. (Why else would it be implemented in LISP? :-). Noel

6 years, 1 month

C game

by Caipenghui

Hello, everyone: Recommend a few c language to write on the computer that do not have a network, best can compile to run with GCC. This will kill my time. I like to play with greedy snake written in c language, which is really interesting. Thank you very much! Caipenghui Nov 17, 2018

6 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] man-page style

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Clem Cole > Actually I blame the VAX and larger address spaces for much of that and > no enough real teaching of what I refer to as 'good taste.' When you > had to think about keeping it small and decomposable, you did. ... > Truth is, it is a tough call, learning when 'good enough' is all you > need. ... The argument of course is - "well look how well it works and I > can do this X" -- sorry not good enough. Exactly; the bloat in the later Unix versions killed what I feel was the _single best thing_ about early Unix - which was its awesome, un-matched bang/buck ratio. _That_ is what made me such a huge fan of Unix, even though as an operating system person, I was, and remain, a big fan of Multics (maybe the only person in the world who really likes both :-), which I still think was a better long-term path for OSes (long discussion of why elided to keep this short). I mean, as an operating system, I don't find Unix that memorable; it's (until recently) a monolithic kernel, with all that entails. Doing networking work on it was a total PITA! When I looked across as what Dave Clark was able to do on Multics, with its single-level memory, and layered OS, doing TCP/IP, I was sky-blue pink with envy. Noel

6 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] TUHS Digest, Vol 36, Issue 21

by Steve Simon

re: learning unix i started using Mike Lesk’s learn(1). -Steve

6 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] man-page style

by Doug McIlroy

Sorry about the recent post. It may seem peripherally connected to tuhs, but it got there due to overtrained fingers (or overaged mind). It was intended for another list. Doug

6 years, 2 months

Request for the story: Unix on the Cray 1 at Bell Labs

by arnold＠skeeve.com

Hi All. In https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2NI6t2r_Hs&feature=youtu.be Rob Pike mentions that DMR and Norman Wilson ported Unix to the Cray 1 and that it was not straightforward. This sounds interesting. Norman: would you be kind enough to elaborate on this? Thanks, Arnold

6 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] Article on the history of cat(1)

by Dave Horsfall

On Wed, 14 Nov 2018, Warren Toomey wrote: >> Hell, I wish I still had that "CSU Tape"; it was Edition 6 with as much >> of Edition 7 (and AUSAM) that I could shoe-horn in, such as XON/XOFF >> for the TTY driver. I was known as "Mr Unix 6-1/2" at the time... > > Definitely look at the UNSW tapes I have: > https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=AUSAM > and https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/UNSW/ > in case any of these are what you are looking for. I think I did before, but I confess I didn't spend much time on it. My pride and joy was certainly the rewritten ei.c driver (implementing the 200-UT batch protocol), and the clever workaround to an egregious KRONOS bug where it would get stuck in a POLL/REJECT loop (I merely sent a dummy command viz "Q,I" -- discarding the response -- because KRONOS was expecting a command instead of the correct REJECT being nothing to send from the batch emulator). At the time, Unix got blamed because the smaller non-Unix /40s (running a standalone program) worked fine for some reason; my guess is that it implemented the broken protocol somehow. -- Dave

6 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] Article on the history of cat(1)

by Norman Wilson

Rob: I rewrote cat to use just read and write, as nature intended. I don't recall if my version is in any of v8 v9 v10 ... ==== It is. It was /bin/cat when I arrived at Murray Hill in 1984. I remember being delighted with the elegant way to get rid of a flag I had never really liked either. I never knew Dennis had dragged his heels at it. It was (to me) so obviously the right answer that I never asked! Norman Wilson Toronto ON

6 years, 2 months

Article on the history of cat(1)

by Warren Toomey

All, I just saw this link to an article on the history of cat(1): https://twobithistory.org/2018/11/12/cat.html Cheers, Warren

6 years, 2 months

cute baby pictures and amazing stories

by Pete Wright

really appreciate videos of talks like this as someone who wasn't lucky enough to be around to experience this in person but benefits from the things your generation built for us: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2NI6t2r_Hs&feature=youtu.be thanks rob! -pete -- Pete Wright pete(a)nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA

6 years, 2 months

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