> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:53:26 +0100
> Thread-Topic: [TUHS] Booting v6
> Thread-Index: AcQcYq8V+wOYWKxXRAqhjHttR6C44gAJhvuw
> From: "Wells, Richard" <rwells(a)impaq.co.uk>
> To: "Lars Brinkhoff" <lars(a)nocrew.org>
>
> IMHO it's very good reading / learning.
>
> I couldn't buy the book when I last tried (about a year ago) - I think
> it was out of print.. I did manage to find it all on the web though.
>
> Richard Wells
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lars Brinkhoff [mailto:lars@nocrew.org]
> Sent: 07 April 2004 06:32
> To: Carl Lowenstein
> Cc: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] Booting v6
>
> Carl Lowenstein <cdl(a)mpl.ucsd.edu> writes:
> > > From: "Ian King" <iking(a)windows.microsoft.com>
> > >
> > > BTW, the Lions book - which documents 6th Ed. very comprehensively -
> is
> > > available for legal purchase. I have both the published version and
> > > (from a set of docs I bought on eBay) an old 'bootleg' photocopy.
> > Me too, as they say. I did the bootleg photocopying myself.
>
> Is it still good reading?
It was last time I looked. Today I seem to have misplaced my copy.
Just checked AddAll book search, the reprint of the Lions book has
become a rare collectable, and is selling for about $100. Oh, well,
somebody bid a VT100 up to $355 yesterday.
carl
The PDF when viewed in acroread is rather obnoxious to my system, it turns off
controls and the window manager frame and takes over the whole window but love
that google cache.
http://tinyurl.com/3x4ld
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Thanks,
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> > Bell System Technical Journal, July/August 1978 Vol. 57, No. 6., Part 2.
>
> you can find many of the documents cited in this issue in the
> UNIX Programmer's Manual for the Seventh Edition, Volume 2B,
> which is included, for example, in the package
> http://telexx.mni.fh-giessen.de/PDP11-UNIX/unix-v7-3.tar.gz
The manual can also be gotten online, in postscript and PDF and troff
from http://plan9.bell-labs.com/7thEdMan.
Arnold
> Hello from Gregg C Levine
> Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book on the
> C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie, are
> mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in the
> creation of UNIX, I think he was a co-author in the book mentioned in
> titles pages, describing the UNIX programming environment.
> And yes, the rest of the article did look okay, around that.
...um... see http://www.bell-labs.com/news/1999/april/28/1.html:
"Ritchie and Thompson Receive National Medal of Technology from President
Clinton"
--
Roger
> From: "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net>
> To: "'Kenneth Stailey'" <kstailey(a)yahoo.com>, <tuhs(a)tuhs.org>
> Subject: RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:51:11 -0400
>
> Hello from Gregg C Levine
> An interesting discourse on the subject of the gentleman's books. I
> haven't found them, as yet. However, I did find one discrepancy in the
> article. I suppose Dennis Ritchie will comment eventually, but, here
> goes, his name, and Brian Kernighan are mentioned on my copy of the
> book on the C programming language. The only time I've seen the other
> fellow's name mentioned was in regards to another book on UNIX.
By "the other fellow" do you mean Ken Thompson?
If so, you are far behind in your knowledge of Unix history.
carl
--
carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego
clowenst(a)ucsd.edu
Hello from Gregg C Levine
Um this fellow, Ken Thompson. According to my copy of the book on the
C programming language, only Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie, are
mentioned. Ken Thompson, is only mentioned as being a partner in the
creation of UNIX, I think he was a co-author in the book mentioned in
titles pages, describing the UNIX programming environment.
Ken's name is on a number of interesting papers from the early days of
UNIX, including the original one in CACM, but so far as I can remember
he was never the official author or co-author of a UNIX book. You may
be thinking of `The UNIX Programming Environment,' by Kernighan and Pike.
I suppose those who don't know both Ken Thompson and Rob Pike might
confuse them, especially since (I think) they both reside in the Bay
Area now. It may help to know that Rob's nose comes nearer to a
sharp point, and that Ken is a licensed pilot. They are certainly
different people; I have seen them in the same room many times.
Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
To all concerned,
I decided to find out if the book were still available.
Per Dan Doernberg at Peer-To-Peer Communications:
>The "Lions' book" is temporarily out of stock; we expect to
>have it available in approximately 2-3 months.
>
>Background--- Peer-to-Peer Communications is the original
>publisher of "Lions' Commentary on Unix", but we sold the book
>to Annabooks/RTC Group in 1999. RTC decided not to reprint it
>when they ran out of stock, so we took the publishing rights
>back and are now working to make reprint arrangements.
>
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>Customer Service
>Peer-to-Peer Communications Inc.
>service(a)peer-to-peer.com
Thank you,
James Falknor
> From: "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net>
> To: "'Norman Wilson'" <norman(a)nose.cs.utoronto.ca>, <tuhs(a)tuhs.org>
> Subject: RE: [TUHS] Just noticed an article on John Lions on Salon.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:19:56 -0400
>
> Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine
> I believe your right. And I am willing to concede the points regarding
> the two gentlemen in question. However, all of the documents I have
> seen within the past ten years regarding the birth, and history of
> UNIX, all have mentioned both Brian Kernighan, and David Ritchie are
> mentioned. Complete with the appropriately selected story as well.
>
> I suspect however, that in that early paper, Ken Thompson is indeed
> mentioned, however the web page in question does not go into enough
> detail, as it should.
>
> And regarding the book, your right. I've got my copy of the C book
> across the room, and normally don't refer to it unless necessary.
You know, Unix is not 100% identical to C.
Before continuing this line of discussion, you really should find a copy of
Bell System Technical Journal, July/August 1978 Vol. 57, No. 6., Part 2
where Ritchie and Thomson describe the design of Unix.
carl
--
carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego
clowenst(a)ucsd.edu
A quick guide; but it doesn't distinguish Pike.
He's probably the slimmest and shortest, and remains
the least bearded the last time I saw him.
From: dmr(a)alice.att.com (Dennis Ritchie)
Subject: re: UNIX
Message-ID: <11613(a)alice.att.com>
Date: 14 Nov 90 05:53:03 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ
I read,
> Looks like folks are now beginning to credit the
> development of UNIX to Kernighan and Ritchie, but
> I thought the principal investigators were
> *Thompson* and Ritchie. Did something change?
The differences between Kernighan Ritchie Thompson
are real but very subtle. We all look alike (middle
aged with scruffy graying beards). Note these
distinctions:
-- Kernighan is slimmest, Ritchie middlest, Thompson
heaviest in body build
-- Ritchie got contacts a couple of years ago and so
is the only current non-glasses wearer
-- Thompson wouldn't touch netnews with a pole,
Kernighan secretly gets misc.invest and misc.taxes
mailed to him, Ritchie reads it more than is good
for him and occasionally contributes
-- Ritchie is the only one who has met five people
who have appeared on David Letterman (Penn,
Teller, Rob Pike, Mayor Koch, and the guy who
raised the biggest hog in Ohio)
-- Kernighan has written ten times as much readable
prose as has Ritchie, Ritchie ten times as much as
Thompson. It's tempting to say that the reverse
proportions hold for code, but in fact Kernighan
and Ritchie are more nearly tied and Thompson
wipes us both out.
Dennis
