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Query:
The license is more concerned with source level code. What about those of
us that are interested in binaries only configured for a working system?
Allison
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All good reasons. I suppose I could give access to an emulator over
the net if anybody wants to do it themselves. This is not the way to
go if you have your own machine with enough storage, but it might be
if you're low on storage.
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From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>
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Subject: Binary-only PDP UNIX
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:36:47 +1100 (EST)
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In article by Allison J Parent:
< I've just created a SMALL mailing list for
those people who have
<volunteered to write CD-ROMs, cut tapes etc. so we can distribute the
<software covered by the up-coming SCO source license.
The license is more concerned with source level code. What about those of
us that are interested in binaries only configured for a working system?
You can pick up binaries for 5th, 6th and 7th Edition UNIX for free,
as they are already covered by a SCO license. See
http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/Licenses/v7_bin_license.txt
If you also look at the PUPS Home Page
http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS
you can pick up RK05 disk images for all three edition, as part of
Bob Supnik's PDP-11 emulator.
Warren
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I was given an PDP-11/84 but I have no idea what OS it
has installed.
...
And another thing. This machine had a Wangtek 5150EQ tape streamer. If I
...
There're some (bad quality) pictures of the board at
http://spektr.ludvika.se/museum/pics/pdp11-board1.jpg
I finally got a chance to look at the picture; the board looks to me like
an MTI MSV22, which is a Q-bus board. There's no way that it's a Unibus
board. Are you sure you've got an 11/84 there, and not a 11/83?
Tim.
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From: allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent)
Query:
The license is more concerned with source level code. What about those of
us that are interested in binaries only configured for a working system?
If you don't plan on staying current with parts that change then
a binary only system might work. I can't see myself volunteering
to build binaries (especially kernels) for varying configurations.
The older, 'static' or frozen (for now), distributions can be run
binary only - but the traditional method of updating systems was
to either distribute diffs or replacement source modules.
One main reason for this, especially in the kernel (but also some
applications level stuff), is that the address space of a PDP-11 does
not allow the luxury of including all ways of doing something. For
example: the C library has to be build for either 'hosts' file or
resolver routines - can't do both. So someone's running a binary
only release but with a hosts file orientation. THey want updated
binaries but all my systems are resolver based - building new binaries
would be painful and time consuming. What happens when a system
include file changes and all (or many) of the binaries in the system
are affected - who's going to volunteer to recompile the system and
make a new CD for the folks who don't want to maintain current sources?
In the kernel arena it's even worse - who ever builds a kernel would
have to request a 'config' file (do you want 'quotas' or not, do you
want 'networking' and if so which ethernet card, do you want 1 or 2
MSCP controllers, and so on. Ick.) and custom build a kernel (can't
include _all_ possible devices, etc because it just won't fit). I
don't know about any one else but I'd rather not get into the
providing custom kernels and binaries.
From V5 on (I can't speak for earlier) you were expected to have a
source license (which thanks to SCO's help we now will have) and
install/maintain the system from those. Binary only setups were
extremely uncommon (except in shops with lots of machines and they'd
have a single 'master' source system and build and distribute from
that).
Configurability is very limited without sources and I'd have thought
that everyone would be dancing with joy at being freed from binary
only releases.
As has been mentioned before there are binary only V6, V7, and V5
images already available without requiring a source license at all.
There's no need to pay the minimal $100 for the upcoming license if
all that's desired is a binary only system that's preconfigured for
a limited set of devices. (re)configuration takes sources.
So I guess the question is who's volunteering to build and distribute
the binary only kits? Not me ;-)
Steven Schultz
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On Tue, 3 March 1998 at 17:17:18 -0800, Steven M. Schultz wrote:
From:
allisonp(a)world.std.com (Allison J Parent)
Query:
The license is more concerned with source level code. What about those of
us that are interested in binaries only configured for a working system?
If you don't plan on staying current with parts that change then
a binary only system might work. I can't see myself volunteering
to build binaries (especially kernels) for varying configurations.
(omitting detailled explanation)
I
don't know about any one else but I'd rather not get into the
providing custom kernels and binaries. As has been mentioned before there are binary only
V6, V7, and V5
images already available without requiring a source license at
all.
JOOI, where are these?
Greg
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