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In article by johnh(a)psych.usyd.edu.au:
I still have the tape and documentation (dated 31/1/81). I think most of the
work was done by Fred Canter, with help from Jerry Brenner and Armando Stettnet
Yes, I had some email with Fred last year. He was surprised that anybody
still cared :-)
Norman, I thought I updated the archive to say that V7M came out of DEC.
Where did I miss??!
Also, no word yet from Keith Bostic w.r.t the Unix mallet.
Cheers,
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: Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD,
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: Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic
:
:
: A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole
: Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their
: heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get
: involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably
: something else or a spoof....
I thought I saw in somebody's signature that Unix was a trademark in
Spain (or somewhere) for something not computer-related. Perhaps that
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<wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> writes:
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: Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD,
: Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was:
:
: Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic
:
:
: A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole
: Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their
: heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get
: involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably
: something else or a spoof....
I thought I saw in somebody's signature that Unix was a trademark in
Spain (or somewhere) for something not computer-related. Perhaps that
might be relevant?
In Germany UNIX Rent is a car rental company.
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No, it was in Austria. I've forgotten what it was a trademark for,
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Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was:
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A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole
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but it wasn't computer-related. In Germany, there was a car hire
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Whilst we are discussing cryptic comments, can anyone explain the dsw man
page in the 5th and 6th Edition manuals;
BUGS
The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its ety-
mology is amusing.
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In article by Stuart Norris:
Whilst we are discussing cryptic comments, can anyone explain the dsw man
page in the 5th and 6th Edition manuals;
BUGS
The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its ety-
mology is amusing.
Delete using switches, from memory. You toggled in an i-node number on
the front panel, then ran dsw to delete that i-node.
A more authorative answer, I'm sure, can be found from the 1st Ed manuals
on Dennis' homepage: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/1stEdman.html.
Um, just checked, it doesn't say anything about switches.
I will try to dig up a reference to the `switches' story. I have seen it
somewhere.
Cheers,
Warren
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On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Stuart Norris wrote:
Whilst we are discussing cryptic comments, can anyone
explain the dsw man
page in the 5th and 6th Edition manuals;
BUGS
The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its ety-
mology is amusing.
Formal name: delete from switch register (you put the i-number of the
file in the switch register).
Informal name: Delete Sh*t Work.
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Delete using switches, from memory. You toggled in an i-node number on
the front panel, then ran dsw to delete that i-node. ...
I will try to dig up a reference to the `switches' story. I have seen it
somewhere.
This may not be the reference you're looking for, but it definitely
gets into the history of dsw. Slightly reformatted from the Usenet
Oldnews archives at http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/:
| Newsgroups: NET.general
| From: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!mhtsa!research!dmr
| Date: Wed Aug 12 00:35:06 1981
| Subject: etymology &c
|
| I would advise taking uiucdcs!jerry's account of history and
| motivations with a healthy dose of salt. However, his heart's in
| the right place (unlike some).
|
| A while ago someone asked Ken Thompson what he would do differently
| if he were to do Unix again. The answer: "I would have called it
| create instead of creat." Well, my answer is that I would have
| fixed the stupid dsw manual page. Fortunately, I can atone
| by publishing a correct account (not the real 1970 manual page,
| but an incredible simulation).
|
| Subject: dsw manual page (honest)
|
|
| DSW(1) UNIX Programmer's Manual DSW(1)
|
| NAME
| dsw - delete from switches
|
| SYNOPSIS
| (put number in console switches)
| dsw
| core
|
| DESCRIPTION
| dsw reads the console switches to obtain a number n, prints
| the name of the n-th file in the current directory, and
| exits, leaving a core image file named core. If this core
| file is executed, the file whose name was last printed is
| unlinked (see unlink(2)).
|
| The command is useful for deleting files whose names are
| difficult to type.
|
| SEE ALSO
| rm(1), unlink(2)
|
| BUGS
| This command was written in 2 minutes to delete a particular
| file that managed to get an 0200 bit in its name. It should
| work by printing the name of each file in a specified direc-
| tory and requesting a `y' or `n' answer. Better, it should
| be an option of rm(1).
|
| The name is mnemonic, but likely to cause trouble in the
| future.
|
| Printed 8/11/81 PDP-7 local 1
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