6 Feb
2022
6 Feb
'22
5:58 a.m.
Thank you, Rob. I composed a similar reply, and debated whether to
send it. You hit all the right points more succinctly and directly. --Dan H.
On 2/5/22 23:52, Rob Pike wrote:
Be careful with your castigations. Yes, there is lots
of old working
code, but keep in mind that that code has often not been as widely
tested and deployed as much of the software that runs today. The fact
that it worked well on old hardware doesn't mean it will be suitable
for modern networked remotely administered multicore machines pounded
on by millions of people.
And speaking of multicore, it's possible to write code using
malloc/free that doesn't leak when run concurrently, but it's a lot
easier, safer, and robust to let the machine do the memory accounting.
And the fact that "kids today" can't do it doesn't mean they are lazy
or failures, it means they grew up in a different time. And a lot of
them are as capable as you all, just in a different environment.
Lately this list has a lot of attitude and prejudice pretending to be
wisdom and superiority.
-rob
On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 12:11 PM Will Senn <will.senn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 2/5/22 6:56 PM, Larry McVoy wrote:
On Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 09:28:10PM +0100,
Hellwig Geisse wrote:
I completely agree. This is ridiculous. Do modern programmer's
seriously think that the old code wasn't complex or robust?
Sheesh, there's code out there that has run through more millions
of transactions an hour for more years than most of these folks
have been alive. There's also code that's been running without any
updates, for decades. Most code written by the newbreed won't run
for a month without surfacing dozens of bugs. Margaret Hamilton
would prolly have some choice words for these folks.
Hi Thomas,
On Fr, 2022-02-04 at 20:45 +0100, Thomas Paulsen wrote:
I've done this and I've employed people who have
done this. We're
a dieing breed, the focus seems to be on programming languages and
tools for idiots. People don't want to learn the discipline it takes
to work with malloc()/free(). It's sad. I tell you one thing: I never ever
experienced any problems with
traditional malloc()/free().??
did you ever write a program which does
heavy malloc()/free()
on complicated (i.e., shared) data structures *and* runs for
days, perhaps weeks? IMO it's very difficult to do this without
a GC, and you have to exercise quite an amount of discipline
to do it right.