Re: [TUHS] moving directories in svr2

? I was just explaining Ts'o's point, not agreeing with it. The first example I gave works just fine on plan9 (unlike on unix). And since it doesn't allow renames, the scenario T'so outlines can't happen there! But we were discussing Unix here. As for symlinks, if we have to have them, storing a path actually makes their use less surprising. No argument here. Perhaps you can suggest a path for fixing? > On Dec 30, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Rob Pike &lt;robpike(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > Grumpy hat on. > > Sometimes the Unix community suffers from the twin attitudes of a) believing if it can't be done perfectly, any improvement shouldn't be attempted at all and b) it's already done as well as is possible anyway. > > I disagree with both of these positions, obviously, but have given up pushing against them. > > > Grumpy hat off. > > -rob > > > On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 11:44 AM Bakul Shah &lt;bakul(a)iitbombay.org <mailto:bakul@iitbombay.org>> wrote: > On Dec 30, 2021, at 2:31 PM, Dan Cross &lt;crossd(a)gmail.com <mailto:crossd@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 11:41 AM Theodore Ts'o &lt;tytso(a)mit.edu <mailto:tytso@mit.edu>> wrote: > >> > >> The other problem with storing the path as a string is that if > >> higher-level directories get renamed, the path would become > >> invalidated. If you store the cwd as "/foo/bar/baz/quux", and someone > >> renames "/foo/bar" to "/foo/sadness" the cwd-stored-as-a-string would > >> become invalidated. > > > > Why? Presumably as you traversed the filesystem, you'd cache, (path > > component, inode) pairs and keep a ref on the inode. For any given > > file, including $CWD, you'd know it's pathname from the root as you > > accessed it, but if it got renamed, it wouldn't matter because you'd > > have cached a reference to the inode. > > Without the ".." entry you can't map a dir inode back to a path. > Note that something similar can happen even today: > > $ mkdir ~/a; cd ~/a; rm -rf ~/a; cd .. > cd: no such file or directory: .. > > $ mkdir -p ~/a/b; ln -s ~/a/b b; cd b; mv ~/a/b ~/a/c; cd ../b > ls: ../b: No such file or directory > > You can't protect the user from every such case. Storing a path > instead of the cwd inode simply changes the symptoms. > >