11 May
2000
11 May
'00
1:23 a.m.
I have updated my web page, fixing a few typos, and made more distinctions
between various processors, along with a table of 'obscure instructions'.
http://www.psych.usyd.edu.au/pdp-11/table.html
Does anyone out there know the internal implementation details of the J11
chip. I assume it's micro sequenced, but what is the micro word length?
PS
I have found the 'PDP-11 Family Differences Table' (in the PDP-11 Architecture
Handbook and others) to be wrong in several places.
Regards John
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Actually, the first HSCs (HSC-50 and HSC-70) have an F11. Hmmm, a bit
unsure about the HSC-70 come to think of it. The HSC-50 is definitely F-11
anyway, and that's the oldest one. Boots of DECtape II. Slow as hell
because of it. :-)
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On Wed, 10 May 2000, Tim Shoppa wrote:
J11 = KDJ-11A
or KDJ-11B
And lots of other systems. Some DEC peripherals (most noticably the
early HSC storage controllers for VAXclusters) have J11's, several Xerox
laserprinters used J11's, DEC PRO380's used J11's. Many third-party
CPU boards use J11's, it's not unusual to see them scrounging the used
market for HSC's to strip the J11 from, as the HSC's generally had late-rev
J11's. (And Harris hasn't made the J11 chips for many years now.) You can find T11 chips in several Q-bus and Unibus
peripherals, most notably
the RQDX1, 2, and 3 (the chip labeled "27-17311-01").
What cpu is in the DEUNA and DEQNA? I think those also have a T11.
The CPU chipset used in the LSI-11/02 and /03 is a
Western Digital chipset,
and the same set was used (with different microcode) by other CPU makers.
In particular, the Alpha Micro two-board S-100 set.
And I think DEC even supported the possibility of writing your own
microcode for this one.
Johnny
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Subject: Obscure opcodes
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Does anyone know that bit patterns these instructions use:
commercial instruction set,
FADD, FDIV, FMUL, FDIV, (and any other FIS instructions if any),
LDUB, MED, XFC
?
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Does anyone know that bit patterns these instructions
use:
commercial instruction set,
According to the PDP11/04/34a/44/60/70 processor handbook
(1979-1980),
addn 076050
addp 076070
addni 076150
addpi 076170
ashn 076056
ashp 076076
ashni 076156
ashpi 076176
cmpc 076044
cmpci 076144
cmpn 076052
cmpp 076072
cmpni 076152
cmppi 076172
cvtln 076057
cvtlp 076077
cvtlni 076157
cvtlpi 076177
cvtnl 076053
cvtpl 076073
cvtnli 076153
cvtpli 076173
cvtnp 076055
cvtpn 076054
cvtnpi 076155
cvtpni 076154
divp 076075
divpi 076175
locc 076040
locci 076140
l2dr 07602r
l3dr 07606r
matc 076045
matci 076145
movc 076030
movci 076130
movrc 076031
movrci 076131
movtc 076032
movtci 076132
mulp 076074
mulpi 076174
scanc 076042
scanci 076142
skpc 076041
skpci 076141
spanc 076043
spanci 076143
subn 076051
subp 076071
subni 076151
subpi 076171
FADD, FDIV, FMUL, FDIV, (and any other FIS
instructions if any),
According to Microcomputer Handbook (1977-1978):
fadd 07500r
fsub 07501r
fmul 07502r
fdiv 07503r
and those are the only instructions listed under FIS.
LDUB, MED, XFC
?
Back to 11/04/34a/44/60/70:
med 076600
ldub 170003
xfc 0767xy
- x = "used for initial instruction group determination",
- y = "further instruction determination"
(this is a user-defined instruction via writable microcode in the 11/60).
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> LDUB, MED, XFC
>?
Back to 11/04/34a/44/60/70:
med 076600
The MED instruction is used in RT-11 to determine if the machine is an
11/60. It's probably also used in the 11/60-specific XXDP diagnostics.
I don't think that it's used in any of the -11 Unices.
Note that MED is really a two-word-long instruction.
ldub 170003
My 11/60 Processor Handbook also lists MNS (170004), MNP (170005), and
MAS (170006). These are "11/60 FP11-E Maintenance Instructions" and
"This set together with the LDUB instruction should be used for diagnostic
purposes only" according to the 11/60 book.
Note that no version of DEC MACRO-11 recognizes MNS, MNP, MAS, or LDUB.
The MED instruction is recognized in MACRO-11 only as MED6X. The "6X"
jibes with the rumored existence of experimental variants on the 11/60
processor, one of which is the multi-processor 11/64.
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Thank you all, now I have all the opcode information I need!
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