23 Jun
2019
23 Jun
'19
1:39 p.m.
On 6/22/2019 10:15 PM, Larry McVoy wrote:
I've read the Mach source. Not a fan. If you
look around you can find
SunOS 4.x sources, not legal but it is out there.
If you read the Mach code, nope, it's a tangled
mess, there is no
clear picture there.
I read the papers and wanted to believe it was good, it is not.
There's one thing to keep in mind about some software produced in
an academic environment. Sometimes it's a collection of proofs of
concept of clever ideas that various grad student have hacked together
for their MS or PhD work. It's not intended to be production quality.
I don't know anything about Mach, but this was certainly the state
of Postgres when I worked in the Postgres group in 1991-1995. We
tried to use it as the basis for a big research project (e.g. Sequoia
2000) but spent (wasted?) lots of time fighting Postgres issues.
Eventually, long after I left the group, and after Mike Stonebraker
left Berkeley, a group of people who weren't associated with UC Berkeley
did a truly heroic job and "fixed" Postgres. The production quality
Postgres you see now is the result.
The BSD project was different, for all kinds of reasons.
I wonder if Mach was a Postgres or BSD style project.
Cordially,
Jon Forrest