20 Jan
2023
20 Jan
'23
12:09 a.m.
Not trying to keep AIX in the discussion, but the 3 in 1 list should
include Glenn Henry. Glenn was primarily a manager when I worked for
him, but was an architect before then and is still a programmer -- see
the summary at
http://web.archive.org/web/20200105071617/http://www.ece.utexas.edu/events/…
and/or https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102738382
Charlie
On 1/19/2023 12:00 PM, Marc Donner wrote:
I'd certainly list Bob Sproull for all three,
from personal observation.
My guess is that Ivan Sutherland probably qualified back when he still
programmed ... I mean, after all, he invented the linked list in order
to implement his thesis program (Sketchpad) in about 1960.
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:50 PM Noel Chiappa <jnc(a)mercury.lcs.mit.edu
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At least 30 years ago I said "He's good
programmer, a good
architect,
and a good manager. I've never seen that in
one person before".
Corby? Although he was just down the hall from me, I never saw him
operating
in any of those roles; maybe some of the old-time Unix people have some
insight. Saltzer is about off-scale in #2; probably good as a manager
(although I had a monumental blow-up with him in the hallway on the 5th
floor, but I was pretty close to unmanageable when I was young ;-);
he took
over Athena when it was stumbling, and got it going. Dave Clark is
high on
all three - he could manage me! :-)
Bob Taylor? PARC did some _incredibly_ important stuff in his time.
Yes, I
know a lot of the credit goes to those under him (Butler Lampson,
Alan Kay -
not sure if he was in Taylor's group, Boggs, Metcalfe, etc) but he
had to
manage them all. Not sure what his technical role was, though.
Vint Cerf? Again, A1*** as a manager, but had some failings as a
architect. I
think the biggest share of the blame for the decision to remove the
variable
size addresses from TCP/IP3, and replace them with 32-bit addresses in
TCP/IPv4, goes to him. (Alas, I was down the hall, not in the room,
that day;
I wasn't allowed in until the _next_ meeting. I like to think that
if I'd been
there, I could/would have pointed out the 'obvious' superior
alternative -
'only length 4 must be supported at this time'.)
Noel
PS: ISTR that about a month ago someone was asking for management papers
from that era (but I was too busy to reply); two good ones are:
- F. J. Corbat??, C. T. Clingen, "A Managerial View of the
Multics System Development"
https://multicians.org/managerial.html
<https://multicians.org/managerial.html>
- F. J. Corbat??, C. T. Clingen, and J. H. Saltzer, "Multics --
the first seven years"
https://multicians.org/f7y.html <https://multicians.org/f7y.html>