Re: [pups] Re: regarding bsd 4.3 for vax machines documentation

Greg Lehey &lt;grog(a)lemis.com&gt; wrote: For VAX 4.3BSD UNIX specifically, check out: http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Quasijarus/ -- Michael Sokolov Public Service Agent International Engineering and Science Task Force 1351 VINE AVE APT 27 Phone: +1-714-738-5409 FULLERTON CA 92833-4291 USA (home office) E-mail: msokolov(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG (ARPA TCP/SMTP) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19895 for pups-liszt; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:26:38 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19891 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:26:36 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f0U4PIO32651 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:25:18 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Message-Id: &lt;200101300425.f0U4PIO32651(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Subject: [pups] Re: new VTserver (was DZ-11 driver) In-Reply-To: &lt;200101290215.NAA06982(a)psychwarp.psych.usyd.edu.au&gt; from John Holden at "Jan 29, 2001 01:15:11 pm" Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:25:17 +1100 (EST) CC: PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Robin Birch: Done! See http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Vtserver and http://minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au/Vtserver/vtserver/vtreadme.html for details. At the present I have Ersatz-2.0 running as a PDP-11/34A, one RK05 and just the console. I have my tape server connected to the serial console line, and I'm bringing in an RK05 disk image: Virtual tape server, $Revision: 2.0 $ Running command stty -f /dev/ttyid1 9600 cs8 clocal -crtscts Tape records are: 0 tinyboot 1 copy 2 root.img Opening port /dev/ttyd1 .... Port open E11>show cpu Emulation: PDP-11/34a, FP11A NOASR, NOCCR, NOCDR, NOCHR, NOCMDR, NOCPUERR, NOCSM, NODSPACE, NODUALREGSET, NODESTFIRST, EIS, NOFPBACKOUT, FPP, NOHALT4, NOJMPPLUS2, JMP4, NOKTJ11B, NOMBR, NOMFPT, NOMMTRAPS, MMU, NOMMU22, NOMR, NOMSEA, NOMSER, MXPS, ODD, NOPARCSR, NOPCR, NOPIRQ, PSWIO, NOQBUS, NOSIZE, NOSPL, SR, NOSR1, NOSTACKLIM, NOSUPMODE, NOSYSID, NOTSTSET, UNDOAUTO, NOUMAP Host: Cyrix 486, NPX E11>g 70000 Opened tinyboot rrrrrrrrrrrrrr EOF 40tinyboot from virtual tape server Load tape record: 1 Opened copy rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrcopy Infile: vt(0,0,2) Outfile: rk(0,0,0) Opened root.img rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 100K sent rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr So no need for DZ-11, but many thanks to Norman, John and others who wrote code for me. I'll probably still try to add DZ-11 support. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19994 for pups-liszt; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:44:56 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19990 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:44:55 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f0U4hYh32768 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:43:34 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Message-Id: &lt;200101300443.f0U4hYh32768(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Subject: [pups] A bootable disk image for a PDP-11/34? To: PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:43:34 +1100 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Now that I (think I) have got a working system of loading a bootable disk image over a serial line into a PDP-11/34, can someone create a suitable disk image? I'm away until Feb 14th and won't be able to do it. The requestor is Ian King &lt;iking(a)microsoft.com&gt;, who says: I've recently acquired a working PDP-11/34, with RK05s. (I also have some Plessey DD 11/80s for it.) My 11/34 is mapped, with 124k available; I also have another memory card with 128k on it, and if I can ever find any documentation on the Plessey memory cards and the memory management switch settings, I may have 252k one of these days. :-) I have only one DL/KL-11, but also a DZ11. He'd like a 6th Edition bootable RK05 disk image that he can download onto his real disk. Many thanks all! Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21488 for pups-liszt; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:27:54 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21484 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:27:51 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from rdonkin(a)bigfoot.com) Received: from bigfoot.com (dsl-212-135-223-35.dsl.easynet.co.uk [212.135.223.35]) by chalfont.mail.uk.easynet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D518F81EE for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:54:33 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: &lt;3A767367.3B2FDC99(a)bigfoot.com&gt; Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:55:19 +0000 From: Richard Donkin &lt;rdonkin(a)bigfoot.com&gt; X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PUPS List &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Subject: [pups] 2.11 BSD compilation fails Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi, I have got 2.11 BSD (from the rp_unknown disk) up and working on the Supnik 2.3+BB1 simulator, configured as follows: set cpu 22b set cpu 2048K at rp0 mydisks/2.11BSD/2.11_rp_unknown boot rp While tinkering with the date2.c program posted earlier by Alex Chupakhin, which now runs on 2.11 BSD btw, I discovered the following: - 'cc -o date2 date2.c' works fine, producing a 12K binary - a makefile containing this command fails - the compilation starts but fails silently, producing a 2K binary that is not marked executable. The makefile is: date2: date2.c cc -o date2 -c date2.c - 'make -n | sh' fails in the same way Is this a known problem that will be fixed by patches (none applied yet as the simulator is not networked)? Or do I need to provide more memory? Some other info: # uname -a 2.11BSD whistler-2bsd 2.11BSD 2.11 BSD UNIX #11: Tue Jan 6 16:57:02 MET 1998 root@pdp11.begemot.com:/usr/src/sys/HIPPON PDP11 By the way, if anyone else has 2.11 BSD in unpatched state and wants to set the date to 2001, email me for a copy of the updated date2.c program. Apart from this problem, 2.11BSD is working very nicely - I'm impressed that such a feature-rich Unix can even be run on a PDP-11! Cheers, Richard Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22856 for pups-liszt; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:29:08 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22852 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:29:02 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from robin(a)ruffnready.co.uk) Received: from falstaf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.152.109]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14Ncgp-0009DZ-0A; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:27:28 +0000 Message-ID: &lt;NatiWLAS0td6Ewpf(a)ruffnready.co.uk&gt; Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 15:26:10 +0000 To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au Cc: PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; From: Robin Birch &lt;robin(a)ruffnready.co.uk&gt; Subject: Re: [pups] Help! Standalone DZ-11 driver References: &lt;RQsFELAVoXd6EwKY(a)ruffnready.co.uk&gt; &lt;200101292137.f0TLb2d29560(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; In-Reply-To: &lt;200101292137.f0TLb2d29560(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.00 U <YSkKJATYm0AxAbv6xwlBrCeVCW> Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In message &lt;200101292137.f0TLb2d29560(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;, Warren Toomey &lt;wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; writes Well, the terminal emulator doesn't have to be very sophisticated as once the thing was running properly then you would use what ever the PC system had installed. The "two separate" would probably be easier to create but it occurs to me that many PCs only have one serial line and the only serial line that is common to all 11s is the console therefore only needing a single driver. Robin ____________________________________________________________________ Robin Birch robin(a)ruffnready.co.uk M1ASU/2E0ARJ/M5ABD Old computers and radios always welcome Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23022 for pups-liszt; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:57:09 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from mail3.microsoft.com (mail3.microsoft.com [131.107.3.123]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA23018 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:57:03 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from iking(a)microsoft.com) Received: from 157.54.9.100 by mail3.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:18:30 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Received: by inet-imc-03.redmond.corp.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <D8RC1PP1>; Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:19:41 -0800 Message-ID: &lt;8D25F244B8274141B5D313CA4823F39C018EEB0D(a)red-msg-06.redmond.corp.microsoft.com&gt; From: Ian King &lt;iking(a)microsoft.com&gt; To: &quot;&#x27;wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au&#x27;&quot; &lt;wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;, PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; Subject: RE: [pups] A bootable disk image for a PDP-11/34? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:19:44 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In fact, if someone has RK05s and isn't too far away, I'd love to get a bootable image on an RK05 cartridge -- of course I'd pay postage both ways. (I even have some original shipping boxes.) BTW, the mail Warren cites below was sent before I had really dug into my 11/34's manuals; I have 124kW of MOS memory in the machine, and RSX-11M can use it all in a "mapped" configuration. Also, if I am going to transfer a disk image, I have another DL-11 I am going to install to make use of Warren's VTServer program. TIA -- Ian -----Original Message----- From: Warren Toomey [mailto:wkt@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 8:44 PM To: PDP-11 Unix Preservation Society Subject: [pups] A bootable disk image for a PDP-11/34? Now that I (think I) have got a working system of loading a bootable disk image over a serial line into a PDP-11/34, can someone create a suitable disk image? I'm away until Feb 14th and won't be able to do it. The requestor is Ian King &lt;iking(a)microsoft.com&gt;, who says: I've recently acquired a working PDP-11/34, with RK05s. (I also have some Plessey DD 11/80s for it.) My 11/34 is mapped, with 124k available; I also have another memory card with 128k on it, and if I can ever find any documentation on the Plessey memory cards and the memory management switch settings, I may have 252k one of these days. :-) I have only one DL/KL-11, but also a DZ11. He'd like a 6th Edition bootable RK05 disk image that he can download onto his real disk. Many thanks all! Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23100 for pups-liszt; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:05:55 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca (root(a)scapa.cs.ualberta.ca [129.128.4.44]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23096 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 03:05:51 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from mark(a)cs.ualberta.ca) Received: (from localhost user: 'mark' uid#150 fake: goodfare.cs.ualberta.ca) by scapa.cs.ualberta.ca id <S433530AbRA3QEQ>; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:04:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [pups] 2.11 BSD compilation fails In-Reply-To: &lt;3A767367.3B2FDC99(a)bigfoot.com&gt; from Richard Donkin at "Jan 30, 2001 07:55:19 am" From: Mark Green &lt;mark(a)cs.ualberta.ca&gt; To: Richard Donkin &lt;rdonkin(a)bigfoot.com&gt; Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:04:16 -0700 (MST) CC: PUPS List &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt; X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: &lt;20010130160418Z433530-3339+182(a)scapa.cs.ualberta.ca&gt; Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Remove the -c flag, it tells the compiler to only compile the program and not produce an executable. -- Dr. Mark Green mark(a)cs.ualberta.ca McCalla Professor (780) 492-4584 Department of Computing Science (780) 492-1071 (FAX) University of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, T6G 2H1, Canada Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23775 for pups-liszt; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:22:29 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from chiton.ucsd.edu (chiton.ucsd.edu [192.135.238.128]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23771 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:22:25 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from cdl(a)mpl.ucsd.edu) Received: (from cdl@localhost) by chiton.ucsd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24283 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:20:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 10:20:58 -0800 (PST) From: Carl Lowenstein &lt;cdl(a)mpl.ucsd.edu&gt; Message-Id: &lt;200101301820.KAA24283(a)chiton.ucsd.edu&gt; To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: RE: [pups] A bootable disk image for a PDP-11/34? Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Just from the historical point of view, note that the first major file on a genuine 6th Edition distribution tape _is_ a bootable RK05 image. Something like 4000 blocks. carl carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego {decvax|ucbvax} !ucsd!mpl!cdl cdl(a)mpl.ucsd.edu clowenstein(a)ucsd.edu Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23853 for pups-liszt; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:31:48 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Received: from arundel.fortyfour.org (138bus2.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.138.2]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23848 for &lt;pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au&gt;; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:31:44 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from kwellsch(a)tampabay.rr.com) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arundel.fortyfour.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f0UIUER28642; Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:30:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: &lt;3A770836.5E42CF2B(a)tampabay.rr.com&gt; Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 13:30:14 -0500 From: Ken Wellsch &lt;kwellsch(a)tampabay.rr.com&gt; X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; NetBSD 1.5.1_ALPHA i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carl Lowenstein &lt;cdl(a)mpl.ucsd.edu&gt; CC: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: [pups] A bootable disk image for a PDP-11/34? References: &lt;200101301820.KAA24283(a)chiton.ucsd.edu&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk I'll second that. The V6 tape image I provided to PUPS has the usual boot blocks at the start of the tape then as I recall three RJ05 disk images. Long long ago I think I got folks interested in using emulators like Bob Supnik's by using the first tape disk image as the "disk" image for "sim" and booted V6... but it has been more than 6 years now since I did that and I may be rusty on details. -- Ken Carl Lowenstein wrote: