9 Mar
2024
9 Mar
'24
5:43 a.m.
+1, installing FreeBSD takes me on average 5 minutes. 5 more to apply updates. With ZFS
system restores take less than 5 and getting things configured the way I like them is
another hour if it’s not a restore. GUI? KDE and Xfce work... not my faves, but better
than Gnome for my taste. My only gripe with it is that I run a huge number of programs
regularly and they slowly find their way into the package system. Zoom works, but only in
the browser, Outlook works, sort of, rstudio kinda works, dotnet doesn’t work at all...
These all work and work well on Linux. If they worked on FreeBSD, I would never need
another environment. FreeBSD is sane when it comes to init. System-D is for some other
use-case than mine, but I’ll put up with init madness if the next time I download a new
dev tool, it just works...
Will
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On Mar 8, 2024, at 5:18 PM, Greg 'groggy'
Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 7 March 2024 at 19:42:59 -0800,
Larry McVoy wrote:
OK, I'm asking. I've been there too, and I don't see any obvious and
serious deficiencies.
On Thu, Mar 07, 2024 at 08:15:43PM -0500, Jeffry
R. Abramson wrote:
On Thu, 2024-03-07 at 13:08 +0000, Ben Kallus wrote:
FreeBSD and me got reconnected when Netflix wanted to hire me a
while back. While the kernel may be OK (it's not, ask me how I
know, I walked the code) FreeBSD is stuck in the 1980s. Raise your hand
if you have
installed FreeBSD in the last 20 years.
/me raises.
That "UI" for partitioning the disks,
so arcane. The whole install
experience is _awful_.
Agreed, some of the installation tools could do with improvement. But
how often do you install FreeBSD? As I have already noted, I've been
using it for 25 years or so, and in the early days I held classes on
installing FreeBSD. By about 2000 they seemed a little pointless. In
general, once it's there, it's there. You seem to be emphasizing the
wrong part of the system.
SunOS was a bug fixed BSD, so I really loved BSD.
But BSD is so
dead it is not even funny. Linux is light years ahead. Here is an
example from more than 20 years ago. I was installing RedHat Linux
and the machine I was installing on didn't have a mouse. The
installer was graphical and it was just easier to tab through the
options than go find a mouse.
Again, installation. How about *using* the system? And why should
you need a *mouse* to install software?
Greg
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