31 Jan
2021
31 Jan
'21
7:47 a.m.
Oh brother. I use FreeBSD all the time. I prefer it for its stability and ZFS which has
NEVER let me down and I’ve done my share of stupid user error. Now that Linux has ZFS, it
doesn’t seem as stuck in the dark ages, but uptime on my fbsd instance is 10x any of my
Linux instances. We are soooo off topic, I think :). But, I’m always up for talking up
FBSD. I use it in my classes, too and the system is much more coherent for my systems
programming classes than linux.
Will
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On Jan 30, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Greg 'groggy'
Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> wrote:
On Saturday, 30 January 2021 at 14:28:54 -0800,
Larry McVoy wrote:
You could be right there, for some value of 1988 (FreeBSD came into
being in 1992). The tools work without being good. But how often do
you use them? I've been using FreeBSD since the beginning, and I
can't recall when I last used the disk partitioning tool, though I'm
sure that when I did I overrode a lot of (all?) the suggestions.
On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 04:28:26PM -0500, Clem
Cole wrote:
If I could get the day-2-day
applications that I need to work on FreeBSD, I suspect I would be there in
a heartbeat.
I dunno about that. I tried out FreeBSD a couple of years ago when
Netflix was flirting with me. The installer hasn't seen any loving in
30 years it would seem. The disk setup tool sucks just as bad as it
did back in 1988. I remember when Linux was this bad in the .90ish
releases. A long
time ago. Now their install is painless, it's every bit as good as
Windows and maybe better.
FWIW, I find Microsoft "Windows" installation terminally confusing
(that's what you were talking about, right?). And I've run into
serious problems with various Linux installations too. That doesn't
make the FreeBSD tools better, but maybe it relativizes it.
And it got that way fast, I remember doing an
install on some
machine around 1998 or 1999, I didn't have a mouse plugged in, no
worries, you could just move around with the keyboard. X11 came up
as part of the install, the entire install was graphical and
seamless.
The FreeBSD installer *does* install X if you select it.
FreeBSD is stuck in the 1990's in terms of
user interface.
You're still talking about the installer, aren't you? The normal user
interface is via the shell, which hasn't changed, and for a good
reason.
They've done some good stuff in the kernel
but it's not an end user
system,
There I have to agree with you. A little TLC would go a long way.
But I hope that you're not advocating the "change your GUI with your
underwear" attitude that Microsoft, Apple and many Linux distros
have. One of the reasons I don't use Linux is because every time I
try, the interface has changed.
Greg
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