1 Dec
2016
1 Dec
'16
3:27 p.m.
Assuming I can read the tape, I know I do have a copy of 4.1a distribution
on 9-track.
Diomidis is correct, 4.1a use Joy/Cooper/Leffler reimplementation of of the
BBN stack, not the original BBN stack.
The BBN stack (Gurwitz et al) was for 4.1 (and other UNIX and non-Unix
systems). I do not believe I have a copy of that tape. Rob or maybe Eric
Cooper might.
How Sam added the code into the UCB SCCS, I never knew (you can ask him
directly, he is still findable these days). Eric Cooper took the basic
BBN distribution and put it on the UCB 4.1 systems around campus >>before<<
Joy started the sockets work. i.e. the installation was done by
installing 4.1, then taking the BBN tape and installing it as is. Cooper
helped me put it on the CAD machines in Cory Hall circa '81. I then
helped Eric Allmen put it on the Ingres systems (again Cory Hall) shortly
thereafter [Please, remember, this was the "official" IP/TCP implementation
for UNIX. Joy's work was an "underground" effort in response to
CMU's
Accent].
BTW: about 3 years later, the BBN2 stack comes out from Rob and team and it
is actually even more interesting; because it now uses the sockets
interface (not the Chaosnet/UofI nami trick), and adds a number of both
performance enhancements (Van Jacobson's work, etc.) as well as a more
complete implementation of the IP stack. I >>might<< have a copy of that
tape squirreled away; but I'll have to look.
On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Paul Ruizendaal <pnr(a)planet.nl> wrote:
Hi Diomidis,
Thanks for that link. This is exactly what I'm trying to ascertain, and
I'm finding conflicting evidence.
- The socket API was in a state of flux between October '81 and March '82
(when 4.1a was supposedly cut). By March '82 it was mostly there, but not
until later in the year did it fully stabilize.
- The BBN stack did not use the sockets API as late as January '82
- What I currently fathom from the SCCS files is that the socket API
implementation was hard coded to use the nascent Berkeley stack.
- But the BBN code was likely in the 4.x BSD source tree, outside of SCCS
(Berkeley started out with the BBN code, but it morphed quite quickly and
drastically)
- In 1985 the BBN code finally enters SCCS (marked 'deprecated'); this
code was integrated with the sockets API, and much developed from its 1982
form
Either the below link is correct (and I think I may have contributed to
its view in a private mail to Kirk), or there were two different
distributions (4.1a BSD with Berkeley network code and 4BSD with BBN
network code). The two may have merged into one in peoples' memories: 35
years is a long time. Finding the actual kernel source for the 4.1a
distribution could provide clarity on this point.
Perhaps Bill Joy could shed some light on the issue, but I don't have
contact details. Having actual source removes all doubt.
Paul
On 1 Dec 2016, at 10:51 , Diomidis Spinellis wrote:
The best description I could find is the
following:
http://minnie.tuhs.org/pipermail/tuhs/2016-September/007417.html
as
far as the kernel is concerned. The image in the CSRG archive comes from
a tape that had a hard read error and does not include any kernel sources.
Some of the kernel files were already covered by SCCS around that time, but
not everything. My main focus is to understand tcp/ip networking in 4.1a
and whether the kernel could be built with either the Berkeley or the BBN
network stack.
The 4.1a distribution had the initial socket
interface with a
prerelease of the BBN TCP/IP under it. There was wide distribution
of 4.1a. The 4.1b distribution had the fast filesystem added and
a more mature socket interface (notably the listen/accept model
added by Sam Leffler).
Diomidis
On 01/12/2016 10:30, Paul Ruizendaal wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to find out exactly what was in the 4.1a BSD distribution, >
> Does anybody know where I could find a full set of kernel sources for
the 4.1a
BSD kernel?
Many thanks in advance!
Paul