28 Feb
2023
28 Feb
'23
4:14 a.m.
"A pain to configure" indeed!
I bought my first PC in '94 or '95 for the purpose of running Linux on it.
My roommate and I bought the exact same model, a no name custom build from
a local shop, so we could work with each other on figuring it out.
They did not have any video mode lines already written for our monitor
model, so we needed to construct them manually.
I remember spending hours with pencil and paper and calculator and the
manual for my monitor trying to create an adequate mode line.
And then, when you finally got something close enough to what the monitor
would support that you got an image, you had to keep tweaking the numbers
and restarting the X server in order to get the image appropriately sized
and centered, and avoid it wrapping around one of the edges.
Even all these years later, I still remember with deep fondness how elated
I was when I learned about xvidtune.
I also remember the excitement of finding a Windows tool that could
generate a mode line from the current video settings in Windows, but I
cannot remember the name or find it right now online.
This program is similar, but the initial release date is too late for it to
be the one I used.
https://www.geocities.ws/podernixie/htpc/modeline-en.html
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
Andru
On Mon, Feb 27, 2023, 12:57 PM Will Senn <will.senn(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Paul,
While the background information on X alternatives is interesting, I
think there's some conflation going on. The distance in time between the
linux kernel being posted and X being available on it was an eyeblink,
even back then. There was no serious effort to look at other windowing
systems in between "hey, what do y'all think of my new kernel - it runs
gnu stuff" to "here it is with X and X apps".
That said, it was a pain to configure, required just the right mix of
video hardware and other hardware, and wasn't for the faint of heart. As
X was becoming available on linux licketysplit, some folks either
couldn't get it running or didn't have the hardware - those folks were
probably the first to go looking at alternatives, but that didn't
precede the x on linux effort.
Will
On 2/25/23 3:31 PM, Paul Ruizendaal wrote:
I think discussion of early Linux is in scope for
this list, after all
that is 30 years ago. Warren, if that is a mis-assumption
please slap my
wrist.
Following on from the recent discussion of early workstations and
windowing
systems, I’m wondering about early windowing on Linux. I only
discovered Linux in the later nineties (Red Hat 4.x I think), and by that
time Linux already seemed to have settled on Xfree86. At that time svgalib
was still around but already abandoned.
By 1993 even student class PC hardware already outperformed the
workstations of
the early/mid eighties, memory was much more abundant and
pixels were no longer bits but bytes (making drawing easier). Also, early
Linux was (I think) more local machine oriented, not LAN oriented. Maybe a
different system than X would have made sense.
In short, I could imagine a frame buffer device and a compositor for
top-level
windows (a trail that had been pioneered by Oriel half a decade
before), a declarative widget set inspired by the contemporary early
browsers and the earlier NeWS, etc. Yet nothing like that happened as far
as I know. I vaguely recall an OS from the late 90’s that mixed Linux with
a partly in-kernel GUI called “Berlin” or something like that, but I cannot
find any trace of that today, so maybe I misremember.
So here are a few things that I am interested in and folks on this list
might
remember:
- were there any window systems popular on early Linux other than X?
- was there any discussion of alternatives to X?
- was there any discussion of what kernel support for graphics was
appropriate?