I believe Ken Thompson might have been a referee for that paper. At least,
he once mentioned to me that he had reviewed a paper about the threading in
the DEC Fortran compiler.
-rob
On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 7:35 PM Paul Ruizendaal <pnr(a)planet.nl> wrote:
Thanks for pointing that out. Here's an
interesting paper on the DEC PDP11
Fortran compilers:
http://forum.6502.org/download/file.php?id=1724&sid=f6a721f3e05774cff07…
Before 1975 they used direct threading, thereafter there was a native
compiler for the higher-end models. I think this one may have required
split i/d, but that is not entirely clear from the text.
I think the same holds for BCPL on the PDP11: compiling to "ocode" or
"intcode" in the early 70s, native thereafter -- still have to find source
for the latter.
Still, I should have first asked: Does anyone have pointers to small
machine native compilers from the 1970's that produced efficient assembler
output?
I am already aware of the 1978 Whitesmith C compiler.
7 May 2024 23:07:58 Rob Pike <robpike(a)gmail.com>:
I'm not sure I accept your starting position. There were several compilers
for RT-11 and RSX/11-M. RSX (and perhaps RT) Fortran were threaded code,
but I don't believe they all were. And of course there was BCPL, which was
- and is - tiny; was it on the 11?
And there were other small machines from other manufacturers, all of which
had some form of Fortran and other bespoke things, such as RPG on the small
IBMs. I think the uniqueness was in the set of conditions more than in the
Unix C compiler itself.
But you may be right.
-rob
On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 6:59 AM Paul Ruizendaal <pnr(a)planet.nl> wrote:
In the last months, I've spent a little time
on curating John Walker's
Unix clone and software stack, including an emulator to run it:
https://gitlab.com/marinchip
After creating a basic tool chain (edit, asm, link and a simple
executive), John set out to find a compiler. Among the first programs were
a port of the META 3 compiler-generator (similar to TMG on early Unix) and
a port of Birch-Hansen’s Pascal compiler. META was used to create a
compiler that generated threaded code. He found neither compiler good
enough for his goals and settled on writing his Unix-like OS in assembler.
As the 9900 architecture withered after 1980, this sealed the fate of this
OS early on -- had he found a good compiler, the code might have competed
alongside Coherent, Idris, and Minix during the 80’s.
This made me realise once more how unique the Ritchie C compiler was. In
my view its uniqueness combines three aspects:
1. The C language itself
2. The ability to run natively on small hardware (even an LSI-11 system)
3. Generating code with modest overhead versus handwritten assembler (say
30%)
As has been observed before, working at a higher abstraction level makes
it easier to work on algorithms and on refactoring, often earning back the
efficiency loss. John Walkers work may be case in point: I estimate that
his hand-coded kernel is 10% larger than an equivalent V6 Unix kernel (as
compiled for the 9900 architecture).
There are three papers on DMR’s website about the history of the compiler
and a compare-and-contrast with other compilers of the era:
https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/primevalC.html
https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/chist.html
https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/hopl.html
It seems to me that these papers rather understate the importance of
generating good quality code. As far as I can tell, BCPL and BLISS came
close, but were too large to run on a PDP-11 and only existed as
cross-compilers. PL/M was a cross-compiler and generated poorer code.
Pascal on small machines compiled to a virtual machine. As far as I can
tell, during most of the 70s there was no other compiler that generated
good quality code and ran natively on a small (i.e. PDP-11 class) machine.
As far as I can tell the uniqueness was mostly in the “c1” phase of the
compiler. The front-end code of the “c0” phase seems to use more or less
similar techniques as many contemporary compilers. The “c1” phase seems to
have been unique in that it managed to do register allocation and
instruction selection with a pattern matcher and associated code tables
squeezed into a small address space. On a small machine, other native
compilers of the era typically proceeded to generate threaded code, code
for a virtual machine or poor quality native code that evaluated
expressions using stack operations rather than registers.
I am not sure why DMR's approach was not more widely used in the 1970’s.
The algorithms he used do not seem to be new and appear to have their roots
in other (larger) compilers of the 1960’s. The basic design seems to have
been in place from the very first iterations of his compiler in 1972 (see
V2 tree on TUHS) and he does not mention these algorithms as being special
or innovative in his later papers.
Any observations / opinions on why DMR’s approach was not more widely
used in the 1970’s?