Re: [TUHS] A/UX [was Linux is on-topic]

Early AIX is what happens when you give a detailed description of Unix to mainframers who've never seen Unix, and then tell them to implement that system, and then ship it, without at any point letting someone who's used an actual Unix system touch it.

Adam On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:16 AM Dan Cross <crossd(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:37 PM Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 07:12:57PM -0400, Richard Salz wrote: >> > > SMIT was quite nice >> > >> > i have never seen those four words together like that before. >> >> Me neither. SMIT was HORRIBLE if you understood the files in /etc and >> knew what to do with them. > > > The sysadmin in the CS department had a USENIX button on his wall: "SMIT > happens." I always found that amusing. > > The Motif-version was especially horrible, and crashed all the time. The > curses-based version was called `smitty`, which I found humorous in a way I > wouldn't have expected coming from "This page intentionally left blank" > IBM. In my mind, the worst part of admining RS/6000 boxes of that era was > the little 3-digit LED code on the front: I guess those machines didn't > assume that they had either a graphical head or a serial port, so this damn > teeny tiny display would cycle through a sequence of codes that told you > what the machine was doing; it came with a book that told you what each > code meant. Something like "387" meant mounting /usr. Ugh; I just found a > page on ibm.com describing these "IPL codes." > > It might be nice if you had no understanding >> of how to admin a Unix system and here is this "nice" curses based way >> to do admin. >> > > The thing was that IBM changed a lot of stuff almost gratuitously. > Specifics I remember were the print daemon (I ported `lpd` from 4.4BSD for > that) and anything related to disks and filesystems. In fairness, they had > logical volumes that could split across disks before most other Unix > systems that I was working on at the time, but the commands were all custom > to AIX and, frankly, weird: I remember that one would "vary on" a logical > volume before one could mount a filesystem from it or something like that. > I was told at the time that the people who'd built that side of things had > come from the mainframe world, where that was the nomenclature. Creating > JFS filesystems required these tools as well; there was new `newfs_jfs` as > I recall. So I ended up using SMIT for basically anything related to > filesystems, but for almost nothing else. > > To anyone remotely competent, and I don't mean edit sendmail.cf, I mean >> you can edit inetd.conf, you can edit a crontab file, etc, SMIT was a >> nightmare that made something that should be vi $FILE, done 20 seconds >> later, a hellish journey through their menus. It was AWFUL. >> > > One of the more gratuitous differences I remember from AIX was that > instead of having e.g. /etc/shadow, they had /etc/password (all spelled > out), which had semi-structured stanzas for each user. That was just weird. > Fortunately, we were using NIS and it was smart enough to ignore that for > NIS users. > > Ask me how I know. >> > > I still have nightmares about AIX. > > - Dan C. > >