Re: The Unix Society

How about a direct approach. Create UBOS, UBOS spells out to Unix Based Operating Systems. PUPs would then be a sibling as would other potential *nix based OS forums. the key is if you not sure, it goes to UBOS and from there vectored to the best fit forum. Possible sibling forums could be NIX-32 for the 32bit and NIX-16 for the other yet not defined 16bit *nix. there are also 8bit flavors and of course 64bit ones as well. No doubt I'm missing a few. Allison Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19897 for pups-liszt; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:09:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from aiai.ed.ac.uk (eigg.aiai.ed.ac.uk [129.215.41.7]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19892 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:09:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from todday.aiai.ed.ac.uk (todday.aiai.ed.ac.uk [129.215.105.40]) by aiai.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA08847 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:09:42 +0100 (BST) Received: (tfb@localhost) by todday.aiai.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) id VAA11887; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:09:41 +0100 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:09:41 +0100 Message-Id: <199808042009.VAA11887(a)todday.aiai.ed.ac.uk> From: Tim Bradshaw <tfb(a)aiai.ed.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Subject: Re: The Unix Society In-Reply-To: <9808030314.AA18496(a)blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu> References: <9808030314.AA18496(a)blackwidow.SOML.CWRU.Edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under 19.14 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk * Michael Sokolov wrote: No no no! This is really bad. We should not try and sit down and say who or what we exclude and who or what we include. There are hundreds of Unix and Unix-related systems that ran or run on all sorts of hardware: trying to define some arbitrary border is just bogus, and is also pretty disturbing in various respects (`you over there, you're running a 4.2BSD-derivative system with lots of non-bell/non-Berkeley code in it on something that isn't even a vax, *you* can't talk to *us* cos you're not pure enough, nah nah nah'). Let's just not stress about this stuff, and let anyone who is interested in older Unixoid systems be involved. The only logical dividing line is the 16-bit/32-bit one -- really the PDP11/bigger system one -- and even that is furry (where does 32v live, or the interdata port, or ?). It's not like the list is suddenly going to get taken over by people trying to talk about Linux or Solaris or something: those poeple have their own lists and are quite happy there. If people ask inappropriate questions they won't get answers (or will get polite pointers to ask somewhere more apropriate). As for name, I still like my own suggestion of `proper unix preservation society', though I can see there may be copyright issues. Most of all, can't we stop all this silly meta-discussion and actually talk about real interesting stuff! Here's a question I'd actually like to know the answer to: have there been ports of Unix or Unix-like systems to machines with non-power-of-2 word sizes or other `strange' (by modern standards) machines? --tim (who's running a 4.2BSD-derivative system with lots of non-bell/non-Berkeley code in it on something that isn't even a Vax. And is also on holiday, so won't be reading this stuff for a while) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22129 for pups-liszt; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:11:20 +1000 (EST) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22124 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:11:16 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA18650 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:11:53 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199808042311.JAA18650(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: A Decision :-) To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:11:53 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk Ok, here's the decision (for now). The PUPS mailing list now has the working name: The UNIX Heritage Society. The email address will stay the same for now. The mailing list topics are controlled by its members, so feel free to chat about PDP-11 UNIX, 32-bit UNIX, Unix derived systems, your cat (well, maybe not). I'm happy for chat about systems which don't require UNIX source licences, too. Many people should set up web pages to cover their own particular interest. Mine's at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/ Someone (me?) will set up a web page describing the charter of The UNIX Heritage Society, with pointers to everybody's web page. If the mailing list becomes too diverse, then people are free to set up other mailing lists with more restricted topics. Again, I'll add hyperlinks on the The UNIX Heritage Society web page to the mailing lists. Suggestions for a better name then `The UNIX Heritage Society' can be mailed to me :-) Suggestions for the charter of `The UNIX Heritage Society', or whatever you want to call it, can also be sent to me. I'll add hyperlinks on the The UNIX Heritage Society web page for each suggestion. I'd rather this thing be all-inclusive, rather then exclusive. At the same time, I want people to feel free to set up web/mail resources with more specific aims. For example, the PUPS web pages are going to stay unchanged. Now, as Tim suggested, let's stop going round in circles and actually get back to DOING things :-) Cheers all, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22163 for pups-liszt; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:20:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22158 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:20:51 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA18748 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:21:28 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199808042321.JAA18748(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: Kirk's 4CD BSD set: status To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:21:28 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk All, Kirk McKusick has updated his web page about his 4CD set of BSD releases at http://www.mckusick.com/csrg/ Status: production is delayed a further week. Unfortuntely, Kirk is just about to go off overseas for three weeks, and won't be back until the end of August. You may place your orders on his web page, but things won't start to happen until the 1st of September. Cheers all, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22319 for pups-liszt; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:55:31 +1000 (EST) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (henry.cs.adfa.oz.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22311 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:55:27 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.oz.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA18931 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:56:04 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Message-Id: <199808042356.JAA18931(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Subject: TUHS web page: version #0 To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:56:04 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au Precedence: bulk All, The zeroth version of a web page for this all-encompassing group thingy to cover all Unix preservation/development etc is now at: http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/TUHS/ Feel free (if not compelled) to mail me with suggestions, hyperlinks, background artwork etc. Michael, would you be able to knock up a VAX UNIX web page so I could add a hyperlink to it? Thanks, Warren