31 Jan
2021
31 Jan
'21
12:22 a.m.
On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 4:19 PM Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
Yea. Once upon a time, this was super dangerous. These days it's kinda
required.
Yup. If FreeBSD wants anyone to use it, fix that installer. 99.99%
of people would give up after seeing that, you'd never get them to
userland.
No argument there... Part of the problem is that, up until relatively
lately, the whole X experience sucked really badly on FreeBSD. Now that it
doesn't suck, it's time for a re-evaluation...
Try xubuntu, that's what I use. Pretty light weight UI but all the
parts are there and it doesn't change much.
But yet it's not stuck?
Warner
On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 10:11:19AM +1100, Greg
'groggy' Lehey wrote:
Um, my mother could install any Linux system today and 10-20 years ago.
There is not the slightest chance that she could install FreeBSD.
I find that hard to believe. The defaults just work on the vast majority of
systems, even if the interface is text-based and not a fancy GUI...
I
remember when Linux was this bad in the .90ish releases. A long
time ago. Now their install is painless, it's every bit as good as
Windows and maybe better.
FWIW, I find Microsoft "Windows" installation terminally confusing
(that's what you were talking about, right?). And I've run into
serious problems with various Linux installations too. That doesn't
make the FreeBSD tools better, but maybe it relativizes it. The FreeBSD
installer *does* install X if you select it.
Linux installers start in X. No "select it" required.
FreeBSD is stuck in the 1990's in terms of user
interface.
You're still talking about the installer, aren't you? They've done some good stuff in the kernel but
it's not an end user
system,
There I have to agree with you. A little TLC would go a long way.
But I hope that you're not advocating the "change your GUI with your
underwear" attitude that Microsoft, Apple and many Linux distros
have. One of the reasons I don't use Linux is because every time I
try, the interface has changed.