31 Dec
2022
31 Dec
'22
10:19 a.m.
Fascinating.
When I left IBM Research to become a grad student at CMU (1981) the Unix CS
was running did not have history in the shell. It had just been introduced
in VM/CMS and I loved it. I nagged the sysadmins in the CS department
about it, and voila, it appeared shortly thereafter. I presume it was one
of the things discussed here ported to the CMU environment.
I remember that I implemented history for the shell in the PERQ, doing some
nasty stuff to fit a reasonable history length in the weird Pascal they
had, since Pascal didn’t have dynamic strings or real pointers.
Marc
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On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 10:59 PM Larry McVoy <lm(a)mcvoy.com> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 05:08:42PM -0700, Luther
Johnson wrote:
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I use csh (tcsh) and bash at the command line,
but straight Bourne shell
language is preferred and recommended by many for shell programming, I
used
to use csh for that and got bitten by all the
things that I later
discovered, those in the know had been warning about for years. Also,
"bash-isms", syntactic sugary things in bash had led me to use them as a
crutch, my scripts got simpler and more to the point when I re-wrote them
for Bourne shell language only. That was my experience. I think we'll
always
have some kind of Bourne shell as the script
workhorse, at last in
Linux/Unix start-up and other blood and guts stuff.
When I was running my engineering team I was strict about Bourne syntax
and features only. I got pushed on like crazy because "bash has this
$GOODNESS whhhhhhhy can't we use it". Because we were supporting our
product on pretty much every unix and if it wasn't HP-UX that had an
ancient /bin/sh, it was AIX or whoever.
Over and over, I won the "straight bourne shell only" battle. So I agree,
if you want /bin/sh to work, Bourne shell for the win.
For a login shell, bash is my shell of choice. It's bloated but I'm
typing this on a 5 year old Lenova X1 Carbon with 16GB of memory and
4 cores and it's fine. It was fine a 133mhz Pentium.