Re: 200(0) Ancient UNIX Ulcers

Michael Sokolov grumbled: ^^^^^^^ Would you please avoid that term? It is offensive to those for whom Kernighan/ Ritchie/Thompson/Berkeley UNIX is the primary and sole computing platform. Thank you. If the shoe doesn't fit, feel free not to wear it. I certainly didn't have `Kernighan/Ritchie/Thompson/Berkeley UNIX' in mind; I rarely do, as I am much more interested in ancient systems. Chuckling all the way to the rest home, Norman Wilson Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA37886 for pups-liszt; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:13:04 +1100 (EST) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (root(a)freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA37882 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:12:42 +1100 (EST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id UAA60952; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:03:12 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:03:12 +1030 From: Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> To: norman(a)nose.cita.utoronto.ca Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: 200(0) Ancient UNIX Licenses Message-ID: <20000105200311.Y30038(a)freebie.lemis.com> References: <200001041145.WAA32766(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <200001041145.WAA32766(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Tuesday, 4 January 2000 at 7:08:51 -0500, norman(a)nose.cita.utoronto.ca wrote: I didn't have any problem with 2.11BSD. I just supplied 00 for the year. Which release were you using? Greg -- Finger grog(a)lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA38658 for pups-liszt; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 00:03:32 +1100 (EST) Received: from timaxp.trailing-edge.com (timaxp.trailing-edge.com [63.73.218.130]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA38654 for <PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU>; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 00:03:11 +1100 (EST) Received: by timaxp.trailing-edge.com; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 8:23:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 8:23:18 -0500 From: Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com> To: grog(a)lemis.com CC: PUPS(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Message-Id: <000105082318.202000b0(a)trailing-edge.com> Subject: Re: 200(0) Ancient UNIX Licenses Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Greg wrote: That's because I did the fix for 2.11BSD back when I was Y2K-ing all my PDP-11 sources a few years ago, and Steven incorporated it into the distribution. The fix was quick and dirty, but works fine because Unix effectively has an expiration date of 2038 when the signed 32-bit time word goes negative, so it's easy enough to window the centuries. This brings up a question: should fixes (and I mean fundamental fixes like Y2K ones) be incorporated back into the boot images in the archive, or should they be left in their "pristine" state? (Yes, i know, some of those boot images aren't quite so pristine.) As long as we're on the topic, which versions of Unix had the C compiler recognize when it was recompiling the kernel and put a back door in for the developers? And of course the C compiler recognized when it was recompiling itself and made sure that the this recognition code was also inserted. As I understand it, the distributed sources never had this security hole in them, only the binaries, but of course the binaries self-perpetuated the security hole even if you recompiled them. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA39019 for pups-liszt; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 01:30:17 +1100 (EST) Received: from playground.lan (qmailr(a)minbar-1-131.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.136.133]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA39006 for <PUPS(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 01:29:49 +1100 (EST) Received: (qmail 451 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Jan 2000 14:46:13 -0000 Date: 5 Jan 2000 14:46:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000105144613.450.qmail(a)playground.lan> From: "A. P. Garcia" <apg(a)execpc.com> To: grog(a)lemis.com, SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com Subject: Re: 200(0) Ancient UNIX Licenses Cc: PUPS(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Ideally, both. Perhaps boot images with these fixes should be available, yes, but so should the originals. Good question! I don't know, but it was actually the login command...