8 Jul
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8 Jul
'98
3:34 a.m.
Steven M. Schultz <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> wrote:
I don't know if it's their only business, but they still sell (and
hopefully make) these controllers. One of their guys was trying to sell me
one just a few months ago. Of course, their prices are way off-base
compared to the used market.
Sincerely,
Michael Sokolov
Phone: 216-368-6888 (Office) 440-449-0299 (Home) 216-217-2579 (Cellular)
ARPA Internet SMTP mail: msokolov(a)blackwidow.cwru.edu
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Can anyone
shed any light on a company called Dilog.
Not sure if they're still in the DEC business but at one time they
were one of the major 3rd party vendors making Qbus and Unibus
controllers. From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Sun
Jul 12 12:59:31 1998
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From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>
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Subject: Re: PUPS
To: jim(a)sco.COM (Jim Sullivan)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 12:59:31 +1000 (EST)
Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation)
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In article by Jim Sullivan:
Do you know if anyone from PUPS is going to SCO
Forum/Usenix in
August in Santa Cruz?
If so, we'd love to connect, if just to say Hi!
Also, SCO has a quarterly Developer's newsletter, called CoreDump.
Would anyone within PUPS be interested in submitting an article
for the next edition? 500 words outlining the goals of PUPS
and how to join/participate? Seems like a nice way to quietly
promote your efforts.
What do you think?
Hi Jim, I'll pass this email on to the mailing list. I'll probably take you
up on the article. Thanks!
I'm in Australia & not likely to get to Santa Cruz in any hurry. :-(
Ciao,
Warren
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From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au> Mon
Jul 13 13:47:55 1998
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From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.oz.au>
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Subject: Recovering old UNIX manuals
To: norman(a)nose.cs.yorku.ca
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:47:55 +1000 (EST)
Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PDP Unix Preservation)
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All,
I'm forwarding on Norman's e-mail describing his efforts at
converting his paper-only copies of the early UNIX manuals back into
machine-readable format.
Warren
norman(a)nose.cs.yorku.ca writes:
The first pass of markup is all done on chapter I of
5e, which is
all I have scanned so far. It is tempting to forge ahead on the
text extracted from Dennis's 1e, but I hope to discipline myself
to finish some surrounding documentation and tools. On each front,
right now there is:
- a small collection of tools to pre-process what comes out
of the OCR into something that is easy to mark up.
Specifically there are a couple of little filters that
fix up the non-ASCII characters emitted by the Mac, and
that glue hyphenated words back together; and a rather
bigger awk script that does some of the easy grunt work
like spotting and marking up entry titles and section headers.
- a description of the markup language (written in itself,
of course).
- a program (also in awk, and surprisingly long) to render
the markup language into approximately V7 -man. (I have
actually done all the work so far on the MicroVAX in my
basement, which is one of the last remaining V10 systems
in the world, and it won't surprise me to learn that the
renderer has accidentally picked up some V10-specific
assumptions.)
- a collection of advice on style and known OCR botches
and whatnot for those who mark up and proof the manuals
as they go through the pipe. (At the moment `those' means
me and my collaborator in California.)
The most important missing tools and writings are something to render
into HTML, and something that explains a little more generally just
what it is I am doing (and how it differs from what Dennis did, and
for that matter from just trying to regenerate the original troff
input) and describes the tools and so on. My current hope is to
get those done in odd moments this week; once I have a decent
approximation of each, I want to put copies of all the documents
and all the tools and a few sample pages from 5e up on the web, so
people have something to look at and I can get comments from a wider
group. (Obviously I'll drop a note to the PUPS mailing list when
things are up there.)
While I'm writing the HTML renderer and the missing document this
week, my colleague in California has already begun an independent
proofreading pass over the stuff I've marked up, which is a damn
good thing because I can't see the errors any more (and she has
already spotted some).
The other tools I know are missing are
- some sort of structure to allow the old pre-typesetter manuals
to be rendered in a good approximation of their original form.
At the moment I expect this will just be a troff macro package
with the syntax of V7 -man, so I can just use the existing renderer,
though I can see some font issues looming that may cause force the
renderer to change (perhaps in a way general enough that there will
still be only one renderer).
- something to allow V6-era -man (or /usr/man/man0/naa, to name it
properly) macros to work too; the obvious cheap way out is something
that translates V7 -man to V6, presumably with the knowledge that what
it is translating came out of my markto7man renderer (which restricts
the language quite a bit, so the job is a lot simpler). I'm not sure
how important this is--the obvious short-term goal is to be able to
have a man command in the V5 environment, and since the macros probably
aren't in the existing distribution, it's fair game to bring in a copy
of the V7 ones--but it seems worth having in the long run if only for
fun.
I'd originally thought to write more of the tools before doing so
much markup, but I'm glad I didn't--the markup language mutated more
than I expected as experience showed where it was wrong, and it made
life simpler to have only one renderer to update. I think it is
pretty much stable now, and in any case I am champing at the bit to
be able to display things in HTML.
A final complication in all this: it is all but certain that I'll
be resigning from York this week, effective in about a month, to
jump back to a position at the University of Toronto (running
computers for the Canadian Institute for Theoretical Astrophysics).
This is not a surprise to anyone concerned (including the folks here
at York--the real reason for the move is that the eleven-mile commute
to York is just too long for me), but it will certainly have both
short- and long-term effects on the time I can spend on the manuals.
The long-term effects may not be what you think, though: the scanner
and OCR setup I've been using is located at CITA, so once I've settled
in there (and especially once I get the tools sorted out well enough
that it is effectively a pipeline), it should be pretty convenient
to spend the odd hour scanning in a handful of pages.
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Subject: Re: Recovering old UNIX manuals
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All,
I'm forwarding on Norman's e-mail describing his efforts at
converting his paper-only copies of the early UNIX manuals back into
machine-readable format.
Warren
norman(a)nose.cs.yorku.ca writes:
> The first pass of markup is all done on chapter I of 5e, which is
> all I have scanned so far. It is tempting to forge ahead on the
> text extracted from Dennis's 1e, but I hope to discipline myself
> to finish some surrounding documentation and tools. On each front,
> right now there is:
On a similar bent, I have been working on roffing Dennis' V1 manuals,
using the earliest roff I could still find some sort of source to.
It is one that was popular in the early CP/M days, that also found
its way into dos and unix. How true to the original it is, I dunno,
but it works. They are about 2/3 done, maybe, but my time to get them
done is not as much as I would like.
What should I do with them once they are done? I was thinking of just
sending the source/output back to Dennis, but if it is OK to put them in
in the PUPS archives, I can bounce them to Warren.
Thanks to Dennis Ritchie for making them available.
Bob Keys
p.s. You know, with all this html thingie, whatever happened to just
a real roff/nroff/troff output? It is only ascii. Why html?
Just curious as to why/wherefore/etc.
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