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Canonical answer about getting v6 & v7 source

by wkt＠csadfa.cs.adfa.oz.au

Firstly, welcome to some new members of the old unix mailing list. If you don't get this email, please let me know ;-) I received an email back from Dennis Ritchie about getting a v6/v7 license (for those who don't have one). Here is his full reply: From: Dennis Ritchie To: Warren Toomey Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 00:40:55 EST Subject: canonical answer about Sixth and Seventh Edition So far as I can determine, AT&T doesn't think it has the right to issue new licenses for any Unix editions, and won't do so. Several years ago, the Unix IP was transferred to Unix Systems Laboratories, at first as a mostly-owned subsidiary; USL was then sold to Novell, and recently Novell agreed to sell its Unix business to SCO (and HP is partially involved). As of the end of October 1995 this last sale had not been consummated. In other words, AT&T is out of the Unix business, and has been for some time; any licenses will have to come from the current owner. But the "current owner" is itself in flux, and I doubt that even before the latest sale, Novell was quite geared up to issue Seventh Edition licenses; I have no useful suggestions about how to obtain one officially (it might be interesting to try). Official sources in AT&T have said that they have no objection to reissuance of Lions's commentaries and source publication of the Sixth Edition. Dennis So it doesn't look like good news at the moment; I guess we could approach SCO and HP, and ask about trying to get licenses from them. I'll see what I can do. A few other people mentioned that they would like to get stuff from the archive of early Unixes that I'm maintaining, and how to prove that they have a license. I have no idea how to do this, any suggestions? P.S There isn't a Sixth Edition in the archive as yet, can anyone send me a distribution or bootable disk image? Cheers all, Warren Toomey

29 years, 4 months

Welcome to Old Unix maillist

by wkt＠dolphin.cs.adfa.oz.au

Hi, I've been merrily adding email addresses to the mail list on old Unixes and PDPs, so I thought I'd mail a message out to it in order to check that all the email addresses are correct. To send email to the mailing list, send to oldunix(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au. There is a Web page which describes the efforts to save all this old stuff, and it is at http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/ I'm building up a list of short biographies/relevant skills for both mailing-list-only use, and to put on the public Web page. If you haven't sent me a resume yet, check out the PUPS Web pages and see what you can come up with. Several people have asked about obtaining a legal copy of early Unixes. I don't have an answer as yet, but I have mailed Dennis Ritchie, who seems to be the person with the best answers at the moment. A few other people have asked ``What Unix runs on what hardware?''. I'll try to build up a list for Sixth and Seventh Editions and 2.9BSD, and perhaps Steven Schultz can send in a list for 2.11BSD. Anyway, welcome to this old Unix maillist. If you have anything that can go into the PUPS archive, please send it in. We have licenses here, so there is no problem with sending in licensed stuff. And feel free to send in questions and answers about this historic technology! Cheers, Warren Toomey wkt(a)cs.adfa.oz.au

29 years, 5 months

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90 20:47:42 CST Received: from sage.cc.purdue.edu by arthur.cs.purdue.edu = (5.61/PURDUE_CS-1.2) id <AA02152(a)arthur.cs.purdue.edu>; Wed, 28 Mar 90 21:39:57 -0500 Received: by sage.cc.purdue.edu (5.61/1.14) id AA23901; Wed, 28 Mar 90 21:39:59 -0500 From: mjs(a)sage.cc.purdue.edu (Michael J Spitzer) Message-Id: <9003290239.AA23901(a)sage.cc.purdue.edu> To: bob(a)cs.purdue.edu Subject: Heheh... Date: Wed, 28 Mar 90 21:39:57 -0500 Status: R To: dmr(a)research.att.com Subject: "Oregano" and Unix wizards Date: Wed, 28 Mar 90 18:14:57 -0500 From: mjs =20 Dennis, As you may know, Unitech Software Inc. has been distributing "Unix Magic" posters at recent Usenix conferences. The poster shows a wizard that looks kinda like you mixing various Unix tools together to make a potion of some sort. The only thing that isn't obviously some sort of pun on an aspect of Unix is a canister labeled Oregano in the foreground of the picture. Is there some significance behind this, other than the obvious "oregano" double meaning? Did you guys really use "oregano" to help drum up your creativity for the original Unix development? Just curious. -mjs - - - - - - - - Return-Path: dmr(a)research.att.com

35 years

re: "Oregano" and Unix wizards

by dmr＠research.att.com

The significance of its appearance is unknown to me. Perhaps it is a Berkeley addition? Dennis --Apple-Mail=_90ADF7E0-EE8E-4984-9710-CD16708E7D52 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><a href=3D"https://i.imgur.com/qMN1are.jpg" = class=3D"">https://i.imgur.com/qMN1are.jpg</a><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: = 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, = 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">=46rom = <a href=3D"mailto:mjs@sage.cc.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">mjs(a)sage.cc.purdue.edu</a> Wed Mar 28 20:47:44 = 1990</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Received:= from <a href=3D"http://arthur.cs.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">arthur.cs.purdue.edu</a> by <a = href=3D"http://oddjob.uchicago.edu" class=3D"">oddjob.uchicago.edu</a> = Wed, 28 Mar 90 20:47:42 CST</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Received:= from <a href=3D"http://sage.cc.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">sage.cc.purdue.edu</a> by <a = href=3D"http://arthur.cs.purdue.edu" class=3D"">arthur.cs.purdue.edu</a> = (5.61/PURDUE_CS-1.2)</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: = 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, = 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">  =   id <<a href=3D"mailto:AA02152@arthur.cs.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">AA02152(a)arthur.cs.purdue.edu</a>>; Wed, 28 Mar 90 21:39:57 = -0500</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Received:= by <a href=3D"http://sage.cc.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">sage.cc.purdue.edu</a> (5.61/1.14)</span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">    id AA23901; Wed, 28 Mar 90 21:39:59 = -0500</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">From: = <a href=3D"mailto:mjs@sage.cc.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">mjs(a)sage.cc.purdue.edu</a> (Michael J = Spitzer)</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">Message-Id: <<a = href=3D"mailto:9003290239.AA23901@sage.cc.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">9003290239.AA23901(a)sage.cc.purdue.edu</a>></span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">To: <a href=3D"mailto:bob@cs.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">bob(a)cs.purdue.edu</a></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Subject: = Heheh...</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Date: = Wed, 28 Mar 90 21:39:57 -0500</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Status: = R</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: = normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">To: <a = href=3D"mailto:dmr@research.att.com" = class=3D"">dmr(a)research.att.com</a></span></div><div style=3D"margin: = 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; = color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Subject: = "Oregano" and Unix wizards</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Date: = Wed, 28 Mar 90 18:14:57 -0500</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">From: = mjs</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: = normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><p style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">  </span><br = class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></p><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">Dennis,</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: = 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, = 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">As you = may know, Unitech Software Inc. has been distributing = "Unix</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Magic" = posters at recent Usenix conferences.  The poster shows = a</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: = normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">wizard = that looks kinda like you mixing various Unix tools together = to</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: = normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">make a = potion of some sort.  The only thing that isn't obviously = some</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">sort of = pun on an aspect of Unix is a canister labeled Oregano in = the</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: = normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">foreground of the picture.</span></div><div style=3D"margin: = 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; = color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: = 16px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: = no-common-ligatures" class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">Is there some significance behind this, other than the = obvious</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">"oregano"= double meaning?  Did you guys really use "oregano" to = help</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">drum up = your creativity for the original Unix development?</span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = min-height: 16px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: = no-common-ligatures" class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">Just curious.</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">  =       -mjs</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">- - - - = - - - -</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">Return-Path: <a href=3D"mailto:dmr@research.att.com" = class=3D"">dmr(a)research.att.com</a></span></div><div style=3D"margin: = 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; = color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Received:= from <a href=3D"http://inet.att.com" class=3D"">inet.att.com</a> by <a = href=3D"http://sage.cc.purdue.edu" class=3D"">sage.cc.purdue.edu</a> = (5.61/1.14)</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; = line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); = background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">  =   id AA21912; Wed, 28 Mar 90 21:27:13 -0500</span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">Message-Id: <<a = href=3D"mailto:9003290227.AA21912@sage.cc.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">9003290227.AA21912(a)sage.cc.purdue.edu</a>></span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">From: <a href=3D"mailto:dmr@research.att.com" = class=3D"">dmr(a)research.att.com</a></span></div><div style=3D"margin: = 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; = color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Date: = Wed, 28 Mar 90 21:22:25 EST</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">To: <a = href=3D"mailto:mjs@sage.cc.purdue.edu" = class=3D"">mjs(a)sage.cc.purdue.edu</a></span></div><div style=3D"margin: = 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; = color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">Subject: = re: "Oregano" and Unix wizards</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); min-height: 16px;" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Andale Mono'; color: = rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span = style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" class=3D"">The = significance of its appearance is unknown to me.</span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">Perhaps it is a Berkeley addition?</span></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = min-height: 16px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: = no-common-ligatures" class=3D""></span><br class=3D""></div><div = style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-family: = 'Andale Mono'; color: rgb(0, 249, 0); background-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">    Dennis</span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; 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