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by norman＠nose.cs.utoronto.ca

Ron Hardin, who worked at Western Electric in Columbus (I think) at the time, confirms that he is the author: Festoon was mine, chiefly written one Saturday with a tragically flawed copy of Lester's _Introductory Transformational Grammar of English_ bought that morning on a $1 table at Woolworth on my knee. The tragic flaw was that there are severe lexical constraints on language, which is why there are so many made-up words in festoon, to avoid them. The introduction of awful phrases came in reaction to writer's workbench from Lorinda Cherry, which had a real mine of them; and phrases from my boss, S D Hester, who was a wretched writer. People contributed on noticing that. It was greatly helped by troff (``The _pay_ people to write this crap?'' is a typical reaction. Apparently it was not out of the question for Western Electric.) Norman Wilson Toronto ON On the internet, nobody can tell you're whether you're on the internet.

22 years, 2 months

RE: [pups] Success!

by Fred N. van Kempen

Chris writes: > Well, here are the results of my weekends "hacking": Yay! It lives! Good work, dude! --fred

22 years, 2 months

Re: [pups] Success!

by Steven M. Schultz

> From: David Evans <dfevans(a)bbcr.uwaterloo.ca> > > Now it looks like all I have left to do is install 400 odd patches. > > If somebody goes through this pain, any chance of making a new source kit? Most of the kits I've seen out there are around #430 or so - that only leaves a dozen or so patches that need to be applied. > Though I guess some of the patches are not necessarily desirable in all > circumstances... By and large they are not only desirable but necessary/mandatory. There are very few 'frivolous' ("gee, this looks like fun") patches in the batch. Trying to "pick and choose" which parts of which patches to apply might be doable in the short term but there _will_ come the day when a bug is encountered or a feature desired that was fixed or added as one of the parts/patches that was left out. Best to get the pain over _once_ and be done with it ;) Cheers, Steven Schultz

22 years, 2 months

Re: [pups] Success!

by Steven M. Schultz

> From: Christopher McNabb <cmcnabb(a)vt.edu> > $ dmesg > > Feb 25 12:02 > ... > <5>ra0: Ver 2 mod 3 > ra0: RD54 size=311200 > attaching qe0 csr 174440 > qe0: DEC DEQNA addr 08:00:2b:07:b7:53 > attaching lo0 > > phys mem = 2097152 > avail mem = 1727488 > user mem = 307200 Congratulations! > Now it looks like all I have left to do is install 400 odd patches. Actually you only need to install the ones _after_ the one listed in /VERSION. Look at the first line of /VERSION, it should look something like this: Current Patch Level: 444 then all you need are the ones between your current version and 444 (which is the latest). Be sure you have the complete system (all the sources, and include files, etc) installed and read/follow the directions (which are quite extensive) included with each patch. SOME patches can be "batched" (if a couple patches in sequence are updating the kernel then you don't need to rebuild the kernel after each patch, etc). Good Luck! Steven Schultz

22 years, 2 months

LoC now involved with saving digital history

by Wm. G. McGrath

Howdy all, Is it possible that the Unix Archive might be able to get a little funding or assistance from the Library of Congress? This recent story in the Washington Post suggests that there is now a lot of money available in theory at least. I wonder if we would qualify for funding? bill Plan Approved to Save U.S. Digital History - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10278-2003Feb14.html?referre… The Library of Congress announced the next step in the effort to preserve that history: congressional approval of its plan for the National Digital Information Infrastructure and Preservation Program.

22 years, 2 months

[pups] Re: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? --> XXDP

by Jonathan Engdahl

I documented the procedure to extract a program from XXDP and put a header on it so that you can boot it from VTserver or a UNIX disk. It has been a long time since I did this to ZRQCH0, so I practiced on the program that I think Christos needs (ZRQBC1) and sent it to him. There's a lot I don't know about the a.out header, so if someone can improve my method, let me know. http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl/xxdp.htm#hackXXDP "Teach a man to fish..." -- Jonathan Engdahl http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl "The things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal." II Cor. 4:18 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christos Papachristou" <chpap(a)ics.forth.gr> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:57 AM Subject: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? > I would like to do a bad sector scan on a RD52 connected to a RQDX1 > controller (The machine is a pdp11/73 without OS) prior to installing > BSD2.11.Is there a standalone program like zrqch0(standalone version of > zrqc from the xxdp package - only for RQDX3) that can be downloaded > directly to the pdp via vtserver and recognizes the RQDX1 , i.e. a version > of zrqb or something similar?

22 years, 2 months

[pups] 211BSD and TSV05 - Boy, Do I feel stupid

by Christopher McNabb

On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 22:04, Christopher McNabb wrote: > I have a TS05 tape drive and TSV05 controller. The TS11 driver for > 211BSD seems to be close to what I need, but not exactly. I can > forward, reverse, offline, and run status commands using 'mt', but any > attempt to read or write data results in a hard error: > ---- Well, this problem was fixed by cleaning the heads. In the words of the immortal Homer Simpson, "Doh!" -- Christopher L McNabb Tel: 540 231 7554 Operating Systems Analyst Email: cmcnabb(a)vt.edu Virginia Tech ICBM: 37.205622N 80.414595W GMRS: WPSR255 ARS: N2UX Grid Sq: EM97SD

22 years, 2 months

RE: [pups] Re: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? --> XXDP

by Fred N. van Kempen

Erzatz-11 V3.1 runs fine on Win2K and XP, please get that from the site. If you cant reach it, contact me offlist and I will send it to you. --f > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Engdahl [mailto:j.r.engdahl@adelphia.net] > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 6:16 PM > To: Gregg C Levine; pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: Re: [pups] Re: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? --> > XXDP > > > I fixed the link. > > E11 is a bit of a problem. I'm running E11 3.0 demo. I have > to run it on a > machine that still has Windows ME. All the other machines run > XP now, and > E11 doesn't seem to work under XP. I tried to get to > www.dbit.com to see if > there's a fix, but the site seems to be gone. > > -- > Jonathan Engdahl > http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl > > "The things which are seen are temporary, > but the things which are not seen are eternal." II Cor. 4:18 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net> > To: "'Jonathan Engdahl'" <j.r.engdahl(a)adelphia.net>; > <pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org> > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 1:22 AM > Subject: RE: [pups] Re: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format > utility? --> XXDP > > > > Hello again from Gregg C Levine > > I've looked at your web pages on the subject of using XXDP to create > > that standalone format utility. And it makes sense. All of it. > > However, there's a broken link on it, regarding XXDP, and where to > > find it. Currently the link which points to the repository > at Ibiblio, > > is correct. Or even the one you're using as they both work. But the > > one that says that the manual, and notes, and the OS, are available > > at, is the broken one. It comes up to a file not found > error message. > > That guy has always had problems with his site, which is > unfortunate. > > It hasn't returned. > > > > However, what are you running E-11 under? And which version? The > > current one prefers a plain DOS environment, or even a Linux > > environment. The older ones, such as the versions stored on the site > > here, will work under DOS/Windows, even Windows 98SE, as > I've proven. > > ------------------- > > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi > > "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi > > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) > > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: pups-admin(a)minnie.tuhs.org > [mailto:pups-admin@minnie.tuhs.org] > > On > > > Behalf Of Jonathan Engdahl > > > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:00 PM > > > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org; pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > > Subject: [pups] Re: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? --> > > XXDP > > > > > > I documented the procedure to extract a program from XXDP > and put a > > header > > > on it so that you can boot it from VTserver or a UNIX disk. It has > > been a > > > long time since I did this to ZRQCH0, so I practiced on > the program > > that I > > > think Christos needs (ZRQBC1) and sent it to him. > > > > > > There's a lot I don't know about the a.out header, so if > someone can > > improve > > > my method, let me know. > > > > > > http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl/xxdp.htm#hackXXDP > > > > > > > > > "Teach a man to fish..." > > > > > > -- > > > Jonathan Engdahl > > > http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl > > > > > > "The things which are seen are temporary, > > > but the things which are not seen are eternal." II Cor. 4:18 > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Christos Papachristou" <chpap(a)ics.forth.gr> > > > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:57 AM > > > Subject: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? > > > > > > > > > > I would like to do a bad sector scan on a RD52 connected to a > > RQDX1 > > > > controller (The machine is a pdp11/73 without OS) prior to > > installing > > > > BSD2.11.Is there a standalone program like zrqch0(standalone > > version of > > > > zrqc from the xxdp package - only for RQDX3) that can be > > downloaded > > > > directly to the pdp via vtserver and recognizes the > RQDX1 , i.e. a > > version > > > > of zrqb or something similar? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PUPS mailing list > > > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PUPS mailing list > > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups >

22 years, 2 months

[pups] 211BSD and TSV05

by Christopher McNabb

I have a TS05 tape drive and TSV05 controller. The TS11 driver for 211BSD seems to be close to what I need, but not exactly. I can forward, reverse, offline, and run status commands using 'mt', but any attempt to read or write data results in a hard error: ---- # ansitape -t ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=310<MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=310<MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=10310<RLL,MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> unknown record mode (n) - file 7 skipped t - 7: 0 lines (0 chars) in 0 tape blocks ---- This continues ad-nauseum until Ctrl-C is pressed. So, it looks like the TS11 driver is "almost, but not quite" good enough. Before I start attempting to re-invent the wheel, has anyone had success getting a TSV05/TS05 working under 2.11BSD? -- Christopher L McNabb Tel: 540 231 7554 Operating Systems Analyst Email: cmcnabb(a)vt.edu Virginia Tech ICBM: 37.205622N 80.414595W GMRS: WPSR255 ARS: N2UX Grid Sq: EM97SD

22 years, 2 months

[pups] 211BSD and TSV05

by Christopher McNabb

I have a TS05 tape drive and TSV05 controller. The TS11 driver for 211BSD seems to be close to what I need, but not exactly. I can forward, reverse, offline, and run status commands using 'mt', but any attempt to read or write data results in a hard error: ---- # ansitape -t ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=310<MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=310<MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=10310<RLL,MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> unknown record mode (n) - file 7 skipped t - 7: 0 lines (0 chars) in 0 tape blocks ---- This continues ad-nauseum until Ctrl-C is pressed. So, it looks like the TS11 driver is "almost, but not quite" good enough. Before I start attempting to re-invent the wheel, has anyone had success getting a TSV05/TS05 working under 2.11BSD? -- Christopher L McNabb Operating Systems Analyst Email: cmcnabb(a)4mcnabb.net Virginia Tech ICBM: 37.1356N 80.4272N GMRS: WPSR255 ARS: N2UX Grid Sq: EM97SD

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