I've refrained from jumping into AIX & RT/PC discussions on TUHS. It seems
more appropriate to summarize AIX history than try to correct or clarify
specifics out of context.
I wrote about 5 pages, got feedback, revised accordingly, and posted at
https://notes.technologists.com/notes/2017/03/08/lets-start-at-the-very-beg….
Charlie
On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 01:57:05PM +0100, Lars Brinkhoff wrote:
> Is it ok to do experimental testing with that host? I've never set up
> uucp, so I do not yet know quit what I'm doing.
Neither have I! But yes, feel free. In yur SimH .ini file, put (or change)
this line to say:
attach dz line=0,Connect=simh.tuhs.org:5000
which will connect /dev/tty00 to simh.tuhs.org port 5000. Then
set up your L.sys file with a line that says:
seismo Any;9 DIR 9600 tty00 "" "" ogin:--ogin:--ogin: uucp ssword: uucp
so that the uucp site seismo can be contacted via /dev/tty00. Then you
can try doing:
# echo hello there | mail seismo\!root
<wait a few seconds>
# /usr/lib/uucp/uucico -r1 -sseismo -x7
and you should see the debug information with parts of the uucp conversation.
Cheers, Warren
On Thu, Mar 09, 2017 at 04:01:09PM -0700, John Floren wrote:
> Well, I'm trying to set up lanl-a, it's at 199.180.255.235:6666
> (theoretically). I've set it up to point at seismo but uucico hangs
> waiting for the login prompt.
OK, try this: Edit your /etc/remote file to say this for dialer:
dialer:dv=/dev/tty00:br#9600:
Now try:
# tip dialer
which should connect out over /dev/tty00 to seismo via the TCP connection.
Hit Return a few times to see if there is any response. On your host system,
do netstat -a | grep ESTAB and see if there is a TCP connection to
simh.tuhs.org:5000.
I also forgot. To be able to send e-mail, you need to add seismo to the
list of known remote sites in /usr/lib/sendmail.cf:
CWseismo
Cheers, Warren
> From: "Steve Johnson"
> This reminds me of a story from that era. One of the mainframe computers
> had the ability to place phone calls and a program was run every night
> to collect data from far-flung teletypes [which had been pre-loaded with
> data tapes]. ... On day the operators realized that there were two
> phone numbers in Nebraska that were getting called every weekday night,
> and the numbers were very similar. They suspected one was a wrong
> number, so they listened in on the calls to see which one was real. The
> phone rang in Nebraska at 2am and was answered by a sleepy man .. The
> man was heard to say "It's all right, Bertha. It's just that nut with a
> whistle again!"
Interesting: I've heard this same story, but told about TIPs and the ARPANET.
A computer at BBN was set up to regularly dial all the TIP modem lines, to
check that they were working. One line was always down, so they listened in,
and heard some human say "it's just that pevert with the whistle again".
I wonder which one was the original: anyone know for sure?
Noel
> From: Warren Toomey
> attach dz line=0,Connect=simh.tuhs.org:5000
>
> which will connect /dev/tty00
Provided that /dev/tty00 exists, and the major device type is set to the
cdevsw index for the DZ in whatever Unix you are using, and the minor device
is set to the correct value to DZ #0, line #0.... :-)
Noel
Warning Toomey:
In ASCII at http://www.redace.org/html/logical_usenet_map_1984.html
===
That's no UUCP map. It's a USENET map: a map of netnews
propagation. No, they're not the same at all: many places
that used UUCP to exchange mail didn't participate in
netnews.
In particular I see a site I used to run with none of its
important mail links like ihnp4, and only a link to a
system I don't remember at all. I had left that site
a few weeks before that map was published, but I stayed
in touch with the folks there; had all the mail links
been torn down I'd have known. Had someone decided it
was worth while dipping a toe into netnews, though
(something I never bothered with) I might not.
In fact I suspect it would be difficult to find
believable maps for UUCP except amongst major forwarders.
At its peak it was an extremely informal network, with
lots of links that weren't published anywhere because
people at site A wanted to keep in touch with those at
sites B and C but didn't want to pay the bills to
forward mail between B and C, let alone between those
sites and places twelve time zones away.
Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
We are going to need some historical uucp maps so that we can construct
our simulated uucp network which bears some resemblance to the past.
There is a 1984 map on pages 7 to 14 of
http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Documentation/AUUGN/AUUGN-V05.4.pdf
As Dave mentioned, we need some key sites like ihnp4, cbosgd etc.
What other key sites? Any volunteers to run some of them?
Warren
I was trying to look at mini-unix so I mounted the disk image inside
unix v6 via:
/etc/mount /dev/rk4 /usr/mini-unix
and I noticed that if I ran the mount command as a user and not root
that /etc/mtab would not be updated (but it was updated as expected as
root). Of course /etc/mtab is owned by root :)
Then I noticed something else when I did an ls in the /usr directory:
drwxrwxrwx 20 31 368 Sep 3 1976 mini-unix
Normally I would see things like:
drwxrwxr-x 2 bin 48 May 13 1975 adm
What does the 31 mean?
Mark
http://www.thefullwiki.org/UUCP
``UUCP was originally written at AT&T Bell Laboratories, by Mike Lesk, and
early versions of UUCP are sometimes referred to as System V UUCP.''
Err, it was V7, wasn't it? That considerably predates SysV...
--
Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer."