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Re: [TUHS] What was the first edition of UNIX that left AT&T

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: "Jeremy C. Reed" > I don't know the key for "v" but maybe means "very distant host" Yes. See: http://mercury.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/jpg/ARPANet/L77Dec.jpg and look at the MIT-44 IMP (upper right center). It's listed as having a PDP-11, with the /v, and that machine (LL-ASG, 1/44) was definitely on a VDH (it was not in Tech Sq). (A VDH was basically an IMP modem interface hardware-wise, but made to look like a host at a high level within the IMP software.) > He also told me the Unix v6 Arpanet code was from San Diego. Err, he may have gotten it from San Diego, but they didn't write the code, it was written at UIll. See: http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SRI-NOSC which contains a copy of the code, which came to me via NOSC in SD. Noel

7 years, 4 months

Re: [TUHS] What was the first edition of UNIX that left AT&T

by Clem cole

I did hear back from Lou Katz - user #1. Indeed the first version that escaped the labs was the 4th edition. Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite. > On Sep 1, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Clem cole <clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote: > > Interesting. If O'Malley had a connection wonder what it was connected too on both sides. It had to be to lbl but the Vdh was a piece of shit even in the ingvax days. The first version was even worse. On the ucb side I wonder. It would not have been Unix because UofI did the original arpanet code and that was for v6. There was never a pdp10 at ucb so I wonder if it was one of the CDC machines which were the primary systems until Unix came to be. > > Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite. > >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Jeremy C. Reed <reed(a)reedmedia.net> wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, 1 Sep 2017, Clem Cole wrote: >>> >>> So it means that UCB was hacking privately without taking to Katz@ NYU, or >>> the Columbia and Harvard folks for a while. I need to ask Lou what he >>> remembers. UCB was not connected to the Arpanet at this point (Stanford >>> was), so it's possible Ken's sabbatical openned up some channels that had >>> not existed. [UCB does not get connected until ing70 gets the >>> vdh-interface up the hill to LBL's IMP as part of the Ingress project and >>> that was very late in the 70s - not long before I arrived]. >> >> Allman told me that Mike O'Malley had an ARPA connection at UCB that was >> axed a few years before the INGRES link. So yes, I think no Arpanet >> connection during the early BSD development work. (Losing this >> connection may have had some controversy, but I don't know the details.) >> >> Fabry told me that O'Malley used Unix for his (EECS) Artificial >> Intelligence research projects before he discovered it (so before the >> October 1973 Symposium). >> >> RFC 402 of Oct 1972 has a ARPA network participant Michael O'Malley of >> University of Michigan Phonetics Laboratory. Also this draft report at >> http://digitalcollections.library.cmu.edu/awweb/awarchive?type=file&item=35… >> about the ARPA speech recognition project lists M. H. O'Malley at UCB >> and says the principle investigator from Univ. of Michigan moved to UCB. >> (I never go ahold of him to see if had any other relevance to my BSD >> story.) >> >>

7 years, 4 months

What was the first edition of UNIX that left AT&T

by Clem Cole

I was recently asked a question that I was not sure the answer, so I thought I would pass it to this group of folks. What was the first edition that actually left Murray Hill and where did it go? My own first encounter was the Fifth edition but I know that was later. I'm pretty sure both Harvard and MIT had it before CMU. I'm thinking Fourth edition went to Harvard and some other places ??NYU?? ??MIT?? Did anything earlier than Fifth ever leave Murray Hill? I don't think UCB or UofI got it until the Sixth edition. I believe there was some earlier commercial site ??CU in NYC maybe?? may have been in there also but I have no idea what version that was. Doug do you know? Warren any ideas? Tx Clem

7 years, 4 months

Re: [TUHS] Why Pascal is Not My Favorite Programming Language Unearthed!

by Doug McIlroy

> If Unix was written in Pascal I would've happily continued using Pascal! Amusing in the context of Brian's piece, which essentially says if Unix could have been written in Pascal, then Pascal wouldn't have been Pascal. doug\

7 years, 4 months

CSTR 100 now on Github

by Arnold Robbins

Hi All. I have created a Git repo: https://github.com/arnoldrobbins/cstr100 I set it up with the original MS macros and a Makefile to create a PDF. THANKS again to Brian Kernighan for finding the document and sharing it. Arnold

7 years, 4 months

Bell Labs history question

by arnold＠skeeve.com

Hi. For a project I'm working on, I wonder if the Bell Labs alumni present can tell me what was the default group for files for the researchers? That is, what group did ls -l show? In particular, in the late 90s - ~ V10 time frame. Much thanks, Arnold

7 years, 4 months

Re: [TUHS] CSTR files

by Doug McIlroy

> As a *roff fan, I'd love, love, love to see the original roff sources. > Especially anything that uses pic/eqn/chem/etc. I have the source for CSTR 155, a trilogy on raster ellipses. It uses interesting preprocessors that are, alas, mostly lost: ideal, prefer, eqn. (If anybody has ideal, I'd love to get it. Even its author, Chris Van Wyk, doesn't have it.) Doug

7 years, 4 months

Ideal

by Noel Hunt

Doug McIlroy's mentioning `ideal' prompts me to ask something I've long wanted to ask. The only use I ever saw of ideal was in Peter Weinberger's memo about his C B-tree package. Was ideal used for anything other than that? Noel Hunt

7 years, 4 months

CSTR files

by Aharon Robbins

Hi All. I have made a tarball of all the Bell Labs CSTRs that I could file: http://www.skeeve.com/cstr.tar.gz. It's just under ten megs. Warren, can we get this into the archives? Thanks, Arnold

7 years, 4 months

Re: [TUHS] CSTR files

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Arthur Krewat > That's not RUNOFF on TOPS-10 (or one it's predecessors) is it? No, RUNOFF on CTSS - _much_ earlier - CTSS RUNOFF was in '64, which was the year the PDP-6 came out. Noel

7 years, 4 months

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