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Leaving licensing and copyright issues out of this mental exercise, what
would we have now if it wasn't for Linux? Not what you'd WANT it to be,
although that can add to the discussion, but what WOULD it be?
I'm not asking as a proponent of Linux. If anything, I was dragged
kicking and screaming into the current day and have begrudgingly ceded
my server space to Linux.
But if not for Linux, would it be BSD? A System V variant? Or (the
horror) Windows NT?
I do understand that this has been discussed on the list before. I
think, however, it would make a good late-summer exercise. Or late
winter depending on where you are :)
art k.
hi
the other early vm system not mentioned yet is the one Charles Forsyth wrote at the university of york for sunos. i never used it as i was learning v7 on an interdata 30 miles away at the time but i read his excellent paper on it.
-Steve
Whenever I hear UNIX, networking and streams I have to think about this scheme.
Still using this, even on HP-UX 11.31 on Itanium rx-servers
Cheers,
uncle rubl
Check out "Setting Up a Research UNIX System" by Norman Wilson. troff
sources are in v10.
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But that assumes you're being given a root image to copy
to the disk initially, no? We never made a general-purpose
distribution tape; we just made one-off snapshots when someone
wanted a copy of the system in the 10/e era.
Is there a binary root image in Warren's archive? I forget.
Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
(where the weather feels like NJ these days, dammit)
wow, systime.
i went for a student placement there but didnt get it - i guess my long hair (then) didn't fit as the interview seemed good.
i had a mate who was working late on the day the combined uk police and CIA (it was said) arrived to shut them down, and tell them they ARE being taken over by CDC. the crime was selling systime re-badged vaxes to the ussr at the height of the cold war. seem odd now that they thought they could get away with it.
exciting times.
-Steve
> Doug McIlroy <doug(a)cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>>> How long was research running on a PDP-11 and when did they move to a VAX?
>>
>> London and Reiser had ported Unix to the VAX, replete with virtual memory, in 1978. By the time v7 was released (1979), Vaxen had become the workhorse machines in Research.
>>
>> Doug
>
> So, what's the story on why the London/Reiser port didn't get adapted
> back by Research, and they ended up starting from 4.1 BSD?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Arnold
Sorry, what I said about London/Reiser is true, but not the whole story. L/R didn't have demand paging; BSD did.
Doug
> How long was research running on a PDP-11 and when did they move to a VAX?
London and Reiser had ported Unix to the VAX, replete with virtual memory, in 1978. By the time v7 was released (1979), Vaxen had become the workhorse machines in Research.
Doug
Gentlefolk,
Does anyone have an original copy of the Lions text. All I have is the new
printed version and my nth generation photocopy from 1975. There is
another 50th event occurring a few weeks that would love to be able to
borrow a copy for an artifact display. Reply to me off-list if you can
help.
Clem
On 8/28/19, Clem Cole <clemc(a)ccc.com> wrote:
>
> So, I think the MIPS product was a holding pattern while DEC got it's
> strategy together. Alpha would really show up until later (I would leave
> LCC and go to DEC to be apart if that). Also note Alpha was brought
> up/debugged on Ultrix and of course, Prism sort of had Ultrix on it. But
> I think using the MIPS chip keep them in the game, when Vax was dying and
> RISC was the word on the street.
I was in DEC's compiler development team at the time, working on the
new GEM common back end, and this matches my recollection. The
original plan was for GEM to be the successor to the VAX Code
Generator (VCG, the common back end used by DEC's PL/I, Ada, C/C++ and
a few other compilers on VAX/VMS) and its first target was the VMS
personality module Prism's OS, Mica. Prism was close to delivering
silicon when it was cancelled in favor of Alpha. DEC's MIPS-based
products were done as a stopgap until Alpha was ready. The GEM group
implemented a MIPS code generator. I don't recall whether we actually
shipped any GEM-based products on the MIPS/Ultrix platform. GEM
focused on Alpha (on VMS, Unix, and Windows host and target platforms)
shortly thereafter.
-Paul W.