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by Warren Toomey

In article by Martin Crehan: > I found a web site: > http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/ > that has Usenet postings dating from May 1981 to May 1982. the groups: > FA.unix-wizards > NET.bugs > NET.bugs.2bsd > NET.bugs.4bsd > NET.bugs.v7 > NET.sources > NET.tools > NET.unix > NET.unix-wizards > contain postings with information on the early days of Unix. > > Have you heard of any other places that have old Usenet articles. > Martin Crehan Does anybody know of other Usenet archives? There are some archives of comp.sources.* around. I've got much of the Minix and BSD newsgroups archived since 1992. I've also got 3 9-track tapes sitting here. One's labelled `News'; the others have labels: 1600bpi tar OLDNEWS ARCHIVE (mod) 25 feb 87 1600bpi tar OLDNEWS ARCHIVE (aus,comp,mod,net,news) 25 feb 87 I might try reading them in the next few days. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA57011 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:31:26 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au> Mon Aug 30 11:29:26 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA57007 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:31:20 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.3) id LAA11320; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:29:31 +1000 (EST) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908300129.LAA11320(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: VAX emulators In-Reply-To: <199908280413.VAA22151(a)gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> from Martin Crehan at "Aug 27, 1999 9:13:15 pm" To: mjcrehan(a)earthlink.net (Martin Crehan) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:29:26 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Martin Crehan: > Warren > > Keep up the good work. Have you heard of any VAX-11 emulators that we > could use to run some of the versions of unix for the VAX? > Martin Crehan No, I don't know of any free ones. I think DEC have one for the Alpha, but it's commercial. Does anybody know of a VAX emulator? I wonder if Bob Supnik would be working on one. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA57118 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:50:02 +1000 (EST) >From Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com> Mon Aug 30 11:49:47 1999 Received: from timaxp.trailing-edge.com (timaxp.trailing-edge.com [63.73.218.130]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA57104 for <PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:49:53 +1000 (EST) Received: by timaxp.trailing-edge.com for PUPS(a)MINNIE.CS.ADFA.EDU.AU; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:49:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:49:47 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com> To: PUPS(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Message-Id: <990829214947.232006ae(a)trailing-edge.com> Subject: Re: VAX Emulators Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk >> Keep up the good work. Have you heard of any VAX-11 emulators that we >> could use to run some of the versions of unix for the VAX? >No, I don't know of any free ones. I think DEC have one for the Alpha, >but it's commercial. What DEC has for the Alpha to let you run VAX code is VEST, which is a translator, not a pure emulator. > Does anybody know of a VAX emulator? Well, during 1977-1978 VAX instruction set development was done on an 11/70 running an emulator. Does that count? :-) -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA57425 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:20:29 +1000 (EST) >From Stuart Norris <norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> Mon Aug 30 12:20:22 1999 Received: from orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au (orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au [129.78.216.9]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA57421 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:20:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (norris@localhost) by orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA18883 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:20:22 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au: norris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:20:22 +1000 (EST) From: Stuart Norris <norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> X-Sender: norris(a)orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au Reply-To: Stuart Norris <norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> To: Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Unix 5th and 6th Edition Filesystems for Linux In-Reply-To: <199908300129.LAA11320(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.990830115745.18933C-100000(a)orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk I mentioned this to Warren a few months back, but I don't think I sent it out to the mailing list, so excuse me if I am repeating myself. Anyhow, I have hacked together a version of a Unix 5th (and 6th) Edition filesystem for Linux. It is read only, and was written for Linux 2.0 on an x86 and so will require a little work to install on other systems and newer kernels, but it is fun to be able to mount old disk images. Now only if I had the time to get it read-write ... [root@ebb disks]# ls -l total 2447 -rw------- 1 norris users 2494464 Feb 16 1999 ted_v6root [root@ebb disks]# mount -t u5e -o loop ted_v6root /mnt/u5e [root@ebb disks]# cd /mnt/u5e [root@ebb u5e]# ls -l total 102 drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 1104 May 14 1975 bin drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 1824 Aug 15 1975 dev drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 496 Aug 15 1975 etc -rwxr-xr-x 1 root sys 29932 Aug 15 1975 hpunix drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 464 May 14 1975 lib drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 32 May 14 1975 mnt -rwxr-xr-x 1 root sys 29932 Aug 15 1975 rkunix drwxrwxrwt 2 adm sys 272 Aug 15 1975 tmp drwxrwxr-x 15 adm sys 240 Aug 15 1975 u -rwxr-xr-x 1 root sys 28684 Aug 15 1975 unix drwxrwxr-x 15 adm sys 240 Aug 15 1975 usr The source is sitting at http://www.maths.unsw.EDU.AU/~norris/software.html#u5e Untar the file into /usr/src/linux-2.0.XX/fs/u5e-0.2, make it, and stick the module into /lib/modules/2.0.XX/fs. Then mount your disk image with mount -t u5e -o loop <image> <mount point> Cheers, P.S. It is interesting to see that the GNU magic file is so up to date; [root@ebb disks]# cd /mnt/u5e/lib [root@ebb u5e]# ls -la total 228 drwxrwxr-x 2 adm sys 464 May 14 1975 . drwxrwxr-x 10 adm sys 256 Aug 15 1975 .. -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 5064 Jul 18 1975 as2 -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 15352 Jul 18 1975 c0 -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 21814 Jul 18 1975 c1 -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 8188 Jul 18 1975 c2 -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 112 Jul 19 1975 crt0.o -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 17424 Jul 18 1975 fc0 -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 23822 Jul 18 1975 fc1 -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 136 Jul 19 1975 fcrt0.o -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 13810 Jul 18 1975 filib.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 340 Jul 18 1975 fr0.o -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 14118 Jul 18 1975 liba.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 22042 Jul 19 1975 libc.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 13958 Jul 18 1975 libf.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 27622 Jul 18 1975 libp.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 9982 Jul 19 1975 libs.a -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 3530 Jul 19 1975 liby.a -rwxrwxr-x 1 adm sys 3144 Jul 18 1975 lpr -rw-rw-r-- 1 adm sys 436 Jul 19 1975 mcrt0.o -rw-rw-rw- 1 root bin 8794 Jul 19 1975 tmgb [root@ebb u5e]# file * as2: PDP-11 pure executable c0: PDP-11 pure executable c1: PDP-11 pure executable c2: PDP-11 pure executable crt0.o: PDP-11 executable not stripped fc0: PDP-11 pure executable fc1: PDP-11 pure executable fcrt0.o: PDP-11 executable not stripped filib.a: very old PDP-11 archive fr0.o: PDP-11 executable not stripped liba.a: very old PDP-11 archive libc.a: very old PDP-11 archive libf.a: very old PDP-11 archive libp.a: very old PDP-11 archive libs.a: very old PDP-11 archive liby.a: very old PDP-11 archive lpr: PDP-11 executable mcrt0.o: PDP-11 executable not stripped tmgb: very old PDP-11 archive -- Stuart Norris norris(a)mech.eng.usyd.edu.au Mechanical Engineering,University of Sydney,NSW 2006 wk:+(61 2) 9351-2272 http://www.maths.unsw.edu.au/~norris hm:+(61 2) 9326-5276 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA59473 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:16:57 +1000 (EST) >From Sergey Svishchev <svs(a)ropnet.ru> Mon Aug 30 21:15:51 1999 Received: from d32-179.ropnet.ru (svs(a)d32-179.ropnet.ru [212.42.32.179]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA59469 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:16:45 +1000 (EST) Received: from d32-179.ropnet.ru by d32-179.ropnet.ru with for delivery to "pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au" id AA0209; Mon, 30 Aug 99 15:15:52 +0400 Message-Id: <19990830151551.22833@firepower> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:15:51 +0400 From: Sergey Svishchev <svs(a)ropnet.ru> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Source of early Unix information Mail-Followup-To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au References: <199908280450.VAA25771(a)gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <199908300059.KAA11005(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89 In-Reply-To: <199908300059.KAA11005(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; from Warren Toomey on Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 10:59:52AM +1000 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 10:59:52AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > I've also got 3 9-track tapes sitting here. One's labelled `News'; the > others have labels: > > 1600bpi tar > OLDNEWS ARCHIVE (aus,comp,mod,net,news) > 25 feb 87 > > I might try reading them in the next few days. If you do manage to read them, could you make INFO-VAX messages (if there are any, of course) available? I'd like to merge them with other INFO-VAX archives, for completeness. (I run a WebGlimpse-based searchable archive of classiccmp and INFO-VAX, URL below.) -- Sergey Svishchev -- <svs(a)ropnet.ru> -- http://mail-index.nice.ru/ Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA60361 for pups-liszt; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:45:57 +1000 (EST) >From "Robert Harker, 408-295-9432" <harker(a)harker.com> Tue Aug 31 00:45:04 1999 Received: from firewall.harker.com (IDENT:root@firewall.harker.com [192.102.231.125]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA60357 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:45:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from harker.harker.com (harker.harker.com [172.16.0.1]) by firewall.harker.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA32678; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:51:29 -0700 Received: (from harker@localhost) by harker.harker.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA01191; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:45:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert Harker, 408-295-9432" <harker(a)harker.com> Message-Id: <199908301445.HAA01191(a)harker.harker.com> To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Older versions of SunOS Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Visited your web page and looked at your page for SunOS and Solaris I can add more history: I believe the first public release of SunOS was 0.9 so I will start there SunOS Aprox Date Comments _____ __________ _____________________________ 0.9 1983 First relase for the oldest Sun1 CPU boards As I recall the Sun1 CPU boards were 68000 boards (Maybe 68010?) with 256Kb ram on board. This relase was a quick and dirty port of AT&T's version of UNIX, not BSD. No window system. I ran the very last tech support workstation running SunOS 0.9, a machine called onefive (the name as I recall referred to the hardware. 1.0 1984 (1983?) First relase for the new Sun2 CPU boards. 68010 CPU and no memory on the mother board Introduced Sun's SunTools window system. 1.1 1984-03-12 From SunOS 1.1 Installation Guide First stable SunOS release (or so I was told as we upgraded systems to 1.1) Required Rev N PROMS on the mother board 2.0 1985-04-15 From "System Administration for the Sun Workstation" Revision history: "First Customer release of this System Administration Manual" Support for Sun2/50 and 2/160 VME based workstations. First general release of NFS and NIS 2.3 1986-03-21 From SunOS 2.3 Upgrade tape (Photocopy of Proof tape from SQA) 3.0 1986-02-17 From "Writing Device Drivers for the Sun Workstation" Supports new Sun 3 68020 architecture. 4.0 1988-05-09 From "SunOS 4.0 Change Notes" "Key improvements incorporated by SunOS 4.0 include: * New system architecture that promotes system resource sharing and portability across different hardware platforms. * Share library facility that reduces program size and swap space requirements. * Resizable swap area for diskless clients * Secure networking through the use of RPC (Remote Procedure Call). * NFS (Network File System) replaces ND (Network Disk) for diskless client systems. The Effect of this is to make system administration easier and more flexible. * All of the $.3 BSD network changes are incorporated including TCP (Transmission Control Protocol) and IP (Internet Protocol) performance improvements and subnetting. * Automount facility that automatically mounts accessible remote filesystems as needed." Supports new Sun 4 SPARC architecture. 4.0.3 1989-04-24 From "Documentation Erata and Changes Pages For SunOS Release 4.0.3" 4.0.3c 1989-06-06 From "SPARCstation-1 SunOS 4.0.3 Sun-4c Release Notes" 4.1 1990-03-27 From SunOS 4.1 "Installing The SunOS" Hope this helps to fill out the timeline. RLH > Generate sendmail.cf files using the web. 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25 years, 10 months

Re: Primeval C compilers

by msokolov＠baryon.trailing-edge.com

Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> wrote: > Hi all, > I also asked Dennis if we could put his two old `primeval' C > compilers into the archive. He said: > > > I don't have a problem with copying the compilers, more or > > less as a mirror. I wonder if anyone will try to revive them? So are they now on minnie or not? If they are, then where? I just looked and couldn't find them. -- Michael Sokolov Special Agent International Free Computing Task Force Harhan Computer Operation Facility ARPA Internet SMTP mail: msokolov(a)baryon.trailing-edge.com

25 years, 10 months

Re: 4.3-QJ0 installation problem (was: no subject)

by msokolov＠baryon.trailing-edge.com

(I'm Cc'ing this to the PUPS list because the original message was, but this discussion belongs on the Quasijarus list. Please don't Cc follow-ups to PUPS, instead everyone who is interested in this discussion please send: subscribe quasijarus to Majordomo(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au) Wilko Bulte <wilko(a)yedi.iaf.nl> wrote: > I've been trying to get 4.3BSD to run on my newly acquired MicroVAXII. > I followed the Ultrix route described in the docs in the pups tree. > > I get as far as: > > [...] > > 4.3 BSD Quasijarus UNIX #0: Fri Dec 25 14:22:17 EST 1998 > msokolov@polygon:/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > > [...] > > ra0 at uda0 slave 0: MICROP , size = 1303998 sectors OK, good, I see you've labeled your system disk. > ra1 at uda0 slave 1trap type 6, code = 2, pc = 80031b1c > panic: Arithmetic fault OK, trap 6 code 2 is integer divide by zero on the VAX. My obvious guess is that the disk has a garbage label on it and when the kernel tries to interpret it, it divides by zero and blows up. A garbage label is something worse than no label at all, because the label structure has a magic at the beginning, and trust me, the kernel does check it and it does not blow up with a divide by zero when block 0 is all zeros. Wilko, what exactly do you have in the label block of disk 1? If you've been following my installation instructions to the letter, that disk would be your Ultrix disk. My installation instructions call for labeling the BSD disk, but not the Ultrix disk. In fact, putting a BSD label on an Ultrix bootable disk would render it unbootable, as Ultrix has boot code where BSD has the label. This means that normally when someone follows my Ultrix-based installation procedure, BSD will simply view the Ultrix disk as unlabeled and make it one big partition a. You obviously have something else in there. > Exactly the same thing happens when I use 4.3reno instead of the Quasijarus > kit. Well, this at least means that this is not yet another one of my own bugs, so that's the good news. :-) But sure, the kernel could do with a few more label sanity checks so that it prints a nice error message instead of blowing up. I'll look into it. -- Michael Sokolov Special Agent International Free Computing Task Force Harhan Computer Operation Facility ARPA Internet SMTP mail: msokolov(a)baryon.trailing-edge.com Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA47798 for pups-liszt; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:58:50 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Sat Aug 28 13:58:44 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA47794 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:58:44 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id NAA06231 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:58:44 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908280358.NAA06231(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: dmr's comments on releasing old code To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:58:44 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk All, Dennis Ritchie just emailed me with a URL about Dan Bricklin's efforts to release his original VisiCalc: http://www.bricklin.com/history/vcpostingreactions.htm The URL contains a link to an email from Dennis about his attempts to get the older UNIX source code, and the primeval C compilers, released: http://www.bricklin.com/history/dmrletter.htm Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA47821 for pups-liszt; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:03:48 +1000 (EST) >From Martin Crehan <mjcrehan(a)earthlink.net> Sat Aug 28 14:03:30 1999 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA47817 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:03:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from gort (1Cust102.tnt2.covina.ca.da.uu.net [208.254.25.102]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA13229 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908280403.VAA13229(a)gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> X-Sender: mjcrehan(a)earthlink.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au From: Martin Crehan <mjcrehan(a)earthlink.net> Subject: Dennis Ritchie letter on releasing early Unix Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk I ran across an interesting account from Dennis Ritchie on the process he went through to get us the SCO liscense for Ancient Unix: http://www.bricklin.com/history/dmrletter.htm Martin Crehan 9 PM PDT, August 27, 1999 mjcrehan(a)earthlink.net Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA49114 for pups-liszt; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:08:36 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Sat Aug 28 21:08:29 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA49110 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:08:29 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id VAA07821 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:08:29 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908281108.VAA07821(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Primeval C compilers To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:08:29 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi all, I also asked Dennis if we could put his two old `primeval' C compilers into the archive. He said: I don't have a problem with copying the compilers, more or less as a mirror. I wonder if anyone will try to revive them? I've had a go at reviving them today, using V5 cc and tools. It's a real PITA I can assure you. I've got the last1120c compiler compiled, but I can't get it to compile itself. As soon as it sees line 16 in c00.c i = namsiz; it complains that the LHS isn't an Lvalue. I think I'll stop now, my brain is hurting too much :-) Ciao, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA50367 for pups-liszt; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:46:23 +1000 (EST)

25 years, 10 months

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by dmr＠plan9.bell-labs.com

To: Subject:, Re:, The, dsw, man, page, wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au , pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au CC: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:08:44 -0400 From: dmr To: Subject:, Re:, The, dsw, man, page, wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au, pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The A-news archive "man page" article that Fischer retrieved from Usenet of 1981, describing the original dsw, is authentic so far as I can remember. As the article suggests, the displayed man page is a construction, and didn't exist as such, but it indeed described what the ancestral program did. By a year or so later, as documented in the First Edition manual, the behavior and the name were already referred to as "ancient." My, how time passes. Dennis Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA42243 for pups-liszt; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:16:58 +1000 (EST) >From Wilko Bulte <wilko(a)yedi.iaf.nl> Fri Aug 27 19:47:02 1999 Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA42231; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:16:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id LAA30941; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:53:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA31089; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:47:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte <wilko(a)yedi.iaf.nl> Message-Id: <199908270947.LAA31089(a)yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (PUPS Users Mailing List), quasijarus(a)minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au (Quasijarus BSD Users Mailing List) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:47:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko(a)freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk [this was mistakenly sent to pupswork yesterday. sorry...] Hi there, I've been trying to get 4.3BSD to run on my newly acquired MicroVAXII. I followed the Ultrix route described in the docs in the pups tree. I get as far as: >>> boot dua0 2..1..0.. loading boot Boot : /vmunix 327184+102656+130352 start 0x23a8 4.3 BSD Quasijarus UNIX #0: Fri Dec 25 14:22:17 EST 1998 msokolov@polygon:/usr/src/sys/GENERIC real mem = 16773120 SYSPTSIZE limits number of buffers to 112 avail mem = 14949376 using 112 buffers containing 917504 bytes of memory MicroVAX-II tmscp0 at uba0 csr 174500 vec 774, ipl 15 tms0 at tmscp0 slave 0 uda0 at uba0 csr 172150 vec 770, ipl 14 uda0: version 5 model 13 uda0: DMA burst size set to 4 ra0 at uda0 slave 0: MICROP , size = 1303998 sectors ra1 at uda0 slave 1trap type 6, code = 2, pc = 80031b1c panic: Arithmetic fault syncing disks... done Exactly the same thing happens when I use 4.3reno instead of the Quasijarus kit. Any ideas? Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org

25 years, 10 months

Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11

by A. P. Garcia

> I'm sure Bob Supnik would appreciate your changes. I have nothing against the Supnik emulator whatsoever. I use it all the time. Before passing these changes on, however, you might want to verify that the licenses are compatible; begemot P11 is copylefted. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA40147 for pups-liszt; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:02:08 +1000 (EST) >From "A. P. Garcia" <apg(a)execpc.com> Fri Aug 27 10:01:41 1999 Received: from mail.execpc.com (dantooine-2-183.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.139.121]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA40139 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:01:55 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 259 invoked by uid 1000); 27 Aug 1999 00:01:41 -0000 Date: 27 Aug 1999 00:01:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19990827000141.258.qmail(a)os-factory.whatever.localnet> From: "A. P. Garcia" <apg(a)execpc.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk > It was a change to geni.c. The Begemot I have (2.3) had apparent mods > already done for FreeBSD, but I still had to hack geni to resolv the > underscores. it was a simple change though, as I recall. If it's not too much trouble, could you please give us more specific details? If not, I'll try taking a shot at it; I want to compile this under FreeBSD. Thank you. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA41334 for pups-liszt; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:09:14 +1000 (EST)

25 years, 10 months

Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11

by pups＠mrynet.com

> Hi - Hi - :) > > From: staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) > > > >Actually,I had resolved issue of linking and the prepended underscores before. > > With a change to 'geni.c' or by editing the instab.s file? It was a change to geni.c. The Begemot I have (2.3) had apparent mods already done for FreeBSD, but I still had to hack geni to resolv the underscores. it was a simple change though, as I recall. > > For example, run with -b from the command line, it returns the shell prompt > > almost immediately. Otherwise, when booting it simply indicates: > > DCOK = 1 asserted > > Yep - that's what I was seeing until I regenerated the instab.s file > by running 'geni'. The emulator would compile and link with a > manually edited instab.s file but simply would not run correctly. I tried the patches against the virgin begemot 2.3 code, and I'm still seeing the unresolved's due to underscores. Just FYI that they don't apply to the Flea-3.0-CURRENT. Thanks HEAPs tho ;) -skots -- Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor InterNet: staylor(a)mrynet.com MRY Systems staylor(a)mrynet.lv (Skots Gregorijs Akmentins-Teilors -- just call me "Skots") ----- Labak miris neka sarkans ----- Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA38512 for pups-liszt; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 02:36:18 +1000 (EST) >From Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)Update.UU.SE> Fri Aug 27 02:34:39 1999 Received: from Zeke.Update.UU.SE (IDENT:2026@Zeke.Update.UU.SE [130.238.11.14]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA38503 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 02:36:04 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (bqt@localhost) by Zeke.Update.UU.SE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA23443; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:34:41 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:34:39 +0200 (MET DST) From: Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)Update.UU.SE> To: Mirian Crzig Lennox <lennox(a)alcita.com> cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 In-Reply-To: <m3iu63plyh.fsf(a)shelbyville.oai.com> Message-ID: <Pine.VUL.3.93.990826183419.23125A-100000(a)Zeke.Update.UU.SE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On 25 Aug 1999, Mirian Crzig Lennox wrote: > I would love to find an arrangement that makes it possible to run an > emulated 2.11bsd system with large-capacity RP06 images.. that would > allow one to have around a quarter-gig of disk space. :) RP06 are 176 MB... :-) Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

25 years, 10 months

Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11

by Joerg B. Micheel

On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 03:08:53PM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > ! # define TINTERVAL 16 /* msecs between clock ticks */ > ! /* Should be 16.666666 for US 60hz */ That's correct. I believe there are also problems with p11 missing a couple of timer interrupts. All of the complaints are entirely appropriate, the whole thing needs major cleanup. I hope one of us will finally get around doing some serious work on it again, soon. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)begemot.org> Begemot Computer Associates Phone: +64 7 8562148 6 Kakanui Avenue, Hillcrest Fax: +64 7 8562148 Hamilton, New Zealand Pager: +64 868 38222 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA54368 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:19:58 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Thu Aug 26 09:53:30 1999 Received: from iaehv.iae.nl (iaehv.IAE.nl [194.151.64.2]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA54356 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:19:40 +1000 (EST) Received: by iaehv.iae.nl (Postfix, from userid 0) id 1520720F92; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:19:18 +0200 (CEST) X-UIDL: 66c16149f459f86a00562537e9612891 To: pb0aia(a)iaehv.nl Received: from minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.160]) by iaehv.iae.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03BD20F6D for <pb0aia(a)iaehv.nl>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:06:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA34673 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA34669 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:36 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA07610; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:30 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908252353.JAA07610(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 In-Reply-To: <199908252113.OAA15059(a)mrynet.com> from "S. Akmentins-Teilors" at "Aug 25, 1999 2:13:40 pm" X-Old-To: staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:30 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by S. Akmentins-Teilors: [Supnik emulator improvements] > Is anyone else out the hacking it up and interested in sharing > any work? > -skots I'm sure Bob Supnik would appreciate your changes. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA54379 for pups-liszt; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:20:04 +1000 (EST)

25 years, 10 months

Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11

by pups＠mrynet.com

> > From: staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) > > THe other change I had to make was to 'devices.c' to speed up the > clock - it's still not right for a PPro-200 but is better than it > was (the clock was running far too slow, now it's just ~10% too slow). The same similar tweak on Supnik has me to within seconds on the hour. They're all gonna start losing it under load anyways, but that's life when running an emulator under non-RT ;) > > And if anyone has managed to get the Begemot emulator > > working on recent FreeBSD-4.0-CURRENT versions, I'd be > > Not FreeBSD but if you're getting bit by the same thing I did earlier > under another BSD that switched from a.out to ELF the changes below > may be useful to you. Actually, I had resolved issue of linking and the prepended underscores before. The compile has always been clean, but the program simply doesn't work. For example, run with -b from the command line, it returns the shell prompt almost immediately. Otherwise, when booting it simply indicates: DCOK = 1 asserted and goes back to the emulator prompt. That happens regardless of disk image used, etc... I can't effect anything other than these exhibitions. Perhaps somewith with access to 4.0-CURRENT, and who has worked with the code itself could find the time to figured it out? ;) -skots -- Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor InterNet: staylor(a)mrynet.com MRY Systems staylor(a)mrynet.lv (Skots Gregorijs Akmentins-Teilors -- just call me "Skots") ----- Labak miris neka sarkans ----- Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA34673 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:48 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Thu Aug 26 09:53:30 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA34669 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:36 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA07610; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:30 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908252353.JAA07610(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 In-Reply-To: <199908252113.OAA15059(a)mrynet.com> from "S. Akmentins-Teilors" at "Aug 25, 1999 2:13:40 pm" To: staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:53:30 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by S. Akmentins-Teilors: [Supnik emulator improvements] > Is anyone else out the hacking it up and interested in sharing > any work? > -skots I'm sure Bob Supnik would appreciate your changes. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA36011 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:26:58 +1000 (EST) >From "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Thu Aug 26 15:26:27 1999 Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0(a)MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA36007 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:26:51 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA20951 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:26:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Message-Id: <199908260526.WAA20951(a)moe.2bsd.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi - > From: staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) > > The same similar tweak on Supnik has me to within seconds on the hour. They're > all gonna start losing it under load anyways, but that's life when running > an emulator under non-RT ;) Actually my problem with the Supnik emulator is that the clock runs _very_ fast - the "PDP11" ends up being hours ahead of the real time after recompiling a kernel or two. p11 on the other hand tends to run slow - tweeking the device.c value was aimed at speeding up the clock. >Actually,I had resolved issue of linking and the prepended underscores before. With a change to 'geni.c' or by editing the instab.s file? > For example, run with -b from the command line, it returns the shell prompt > almost immediately. Otherwise, when booting it simply indicates: > DCOK = 1 asserted Yep - that's what I was seeing until I regenerated the instab.s file by running 'geni'. The emulator would compile and link with a manually edited instab.s file but simply would not run correctly. Since the same RP06 image worked with the Supnik emulator I knew it wasn't in the 2.11BSD area. Steven Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA36475 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:02:07 +1000 (EST)

25 years, 10 months

Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11

by pups＠mrynet.com

> staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) writes: > > So far, I've replaced the KL11 code with a DL11 driver that > > handles four lines. Additionally, I stole the networked > > tty_net driver from the begemot which now provides telnet > > access to all four ports. Additionally, I'm working on a > > DZ-11 driver as-we-speak, and will do the DEQNA next. > > These four ports work great on the RSTS/E and 2.11 images > > I have. > > Really! So far I have had no luck getting Supnik 2.3 to work with the > elfje rl02 images on the PUPS archive. I've always had to use the > significantly-hacked-up 2.2 emulator instead. What did you change > and/or what disk images are you using? I've changed nothing at all really as far as 2.11 goes. Worked just dandy even before my hacking. > I would love to find an arrangement that makes it possible to run an > emulated 2.11bsd system with large-capacity RP06 images.. that would > allow one to have around a quarter-gig of disk space. :) The complexities of begemot, and the relative ease of use of Supnik was the driving force behind my sticking it out with Supnik. I figured I'd make it do what I want, since I could make it work in the first place. Since I'm into the actual hardware emulation, as well as device drivers, it is fulfilling my need here until I ever get a real PDP-11 again. -skots -- Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor InterNet: staylor(a)mrynet.com MRY Systems staylor(a)mrynet.lv (Skots Gregorijs Akmentins-Teilors -- just call me "Skots") ----- Labak miris neka sarkans ----- Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA34419 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:17:34 +1000 (EST)

25 years, 10 months

Modified Supnik emulator for the 11

by staylor＠mrynet.com

Hi folks. Having had absolutely no luck getting the Begemot emulator to work under FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT, I've been modifying the Supnik 2.3d emulator for the pdp-11. So far, I've replaced the KL11 code with a DL11 driver that handles four lines. Additionally, I stole the networked tty_net driver from the begemot which now provides telnet access to all four ports. Additionally, I'm working on a DZ-11 driver as-we-speak, and will do the DEQNA next. These four ports work great on the RSTS/E and 2.11 images I have. As well, I've tweaked the clock timing to significantly improve timekeeping for my machine. Also, I have been modifying an ANSI magtape util package (ansir/ansiw/survey) to deal with the mt images that the supnik package produces. Makes for easy exchange into RSTS, etc. Is anyone else out the hacking it up and interested in sharing any work? And if anyone has managed to get the Begemot emulator working on recent FreeBSD-4.0-CURRENT versions, I'd be grateful if you could share the information and changes with me. Thanks and regards, -skots -- Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor InterNet: staylor(a)mrynet.com MRY Systems staylor(a)mrynet.lv (Skots Gregorijs Akmentins-Teilors -- just call me "Skots") ----- Labak miris neka sarkans ----- Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA33694 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 07:55:06 +1000 (EST) >From Mirian Crzig Lennox <lennox(a)alcita.com> Thu Aug 26 07:52:22 1999 Received: from shelbyville.oai.com (IDENT:root@[204.57.59.144]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA33684 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 07:54:57 +1000 (EST) Received: (from mirian@localhost) by shelbyville.oai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08490; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:52:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Mirian Crzig Lennox <lennox(a)alcita.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 References: <199908252113.OAA15059(a)mrynet.com> Original-Sender: lennox(a)alcita.com Organization: Alcita Technologies, Inc. Date: 25 Aug 1999 17:52:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: staylor(a)mrynet.com's message of "Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:13:40 +0000" Message-ID: <m3iu63plyh.fsf(a)shelbyville.oai.com> Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) writes: > > So far, I've replaced the KL11 code with a DL11 driver that > handles four lines. Additionally, I stole the networked > tty_net driver from the begemot which now provides telnet > access to all four ports. Additionally, I'm working on a > DZ-11 driver as-we-speak, and will do the DEQNA next. > These four ports work great on the RSTS/E and 2.11 images > I have. Really! So far I have had no luck getting Supnik 2.3 to work with the elfje rl02 images on the PUPS archive. I've always had to use the significantly-hacked-up 2.2 emulator instead. What did you change and/or what disk images are you using? I would love to find an arrangement that makes it possible to run an emulated 2.11bsd system with large-capacity RP06 images.. that would allow one to have around a quarter-gig of disk space. :) -- Mirian Crzig Lennox Systems Anarchist Invest in America -- buy a Congressman! Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA33801 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:12:04 +1000 (EST) >From "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Thu Aug 26 08:08:53 1999 Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0(a)MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA33797 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:11:55 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA18433 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:08:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Message-Id: <199908252208.PAA18433(a)moe.2bsd.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Scott - Howdy! > From: staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors) > Having had absolutely no luck getting the Begemot emulator > to work under FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT, I've been modifying the Hmmm, the Begemot emulator is difficult to set up due to an inscrutable configfile format but it runs here under BSD/OS 4.0.1 after making a couple 'tweeks'. I wonder if the problems you're having are due to FreeBSD switching to ELF. At one time BSD/OS used a.out also and "P11" built/ran just fine - the the OS switched to ELF and P11 would no longer build. I had thought simply editing the instab.s would be enough but after doing that P11 wouldn't run right at all. What I did was add a "-u" option to 'geni' and then regenerate the instab.s file ("geni -u ...") _without_ the underscore characters present. The compiler no longer generates leading '_' characters so having them in the instab.s file causes problems. Regenerating and assembling instab.s cleared up all the problems I was having. Below are the changes I've made to P11 - some are specific to getting the various IOprogs to run under BSD/OS but the changes to geni.c are OS independent. THe other change I had to make was to 'devices.c' to speed up the clock - it's still not right for a PPro-200 but is better than it was (the clock was running far too slow, now it's just ~10% too slow). > And if anyone has managed to get the Begemot emulator > working on recent FreeBSD-4.0-CURRENT versions, I'd be Not FreeBSD but if you're getting bit by the same thing I did earlier under another BSD that switched from a.out to ELF the changes below may be useful to you. Steven Schultz sms(a)moe.2bsd.com *** ./Utils/geni.c.old Sat Oct 11 14:01:39 1997 --- ./Utils/geni.c Thu Aug 19 21:07:56 1999 *************** *** 49,54 **** --- 49,55 ---- int code; /* current instruction code */ int ccc; /* current microinstruction count */ int coo = -1; /* what output to generate */ + int no_ul = 0; /* Don't generate leading _ */ int profiler_output; char *ul; /* the undeline character, if needed */ char *ofile; /* output file name */ *************** *** 123,131 **** int opt; set_argv0(argv[0]); ! while((opt = getopt(argc, argv, "vmpo:")) != EOF) switch(opt) { case 'v': verbose++; break; --- 124,135 ---- int opt; set_argv0(argv[0]); ! while((opt = getopt(argc, argv, "uvmpo:")) != EOF) switch(opt) { + case 'u': + no_ul++; + break; case 'v': verbose++; break; *************** *** 275,284 **** tab_out_i386as() { printf("\t.file\t\"%s\"\n", ifile); ! printf("\t.globl\t_instab\n"); printf(".text\n"); printf("\t.align\t2\n"); ! printf("_instab:\n"); for(code = 0; code < 0x10000; code++) { printf("\t.long\t"); for(ccc = 0; ccc < 4; ccc++) --- 279,288 ---- tab_out_i386as() { printf("\t.file\t\"%s\"\n", ifile); ! printf("\t.globl\t%s\n", no_ul ? "instab" : "_instab"); printf(".text\n"); printf("\t.align\t2\n"); ! printf("%s:\n", no_ul ? "instab" : "_instab"); for(code = 0; code < 0x10000; code++) { printf("\t.long\t"); for(ccc = 0; ccc < 4; ccc++) *************** *** 632,637 **** --- 636,646 ---- switch(coo) { case COO_i386as: + if (no_ul) + { + ul = ""; + break; + } case COO_sun_as: case COO_i386_aout: ul = "_"; *** ./IOProgs/epp_bpf.c.old Sat Oct 11 14:02:28 1997 --- ./IOProgs/epp_bpf.c Wed Jun 17 22:16:50 1998 *************** *** 341,347 **** panic("read(bpf): %s", strerror(errno)); bpf_ptr = bpf_buf; bpf_end = bpf_buf + ret; ! INFO("read_input: bpf_read = %d.\n", ret); } /* --- 341,347 ---- panic("read(bpf): %s", strerror(errno)); bpf_ptr = bpf_buf; bpf_end = bpf_buf + ret; ! info("read_input: bpf_read = %d.\n", ret); } /* *************** *** 351,357 **** bpf_ptr = bpf_ptr + BPF_WORDALIGN(h->bh_hdrlen + h->bh_caplen); if(h->bh_caplen < h->bh_datalen) { ! INFO("caplen(%lu) < datalen(%lu) ??? - packet dropped.\n", h->bh_caplen, h->bh_datalen); ret = 0; } else { *pbuf = (u_char *)h + h->bh_hdrlen; --- 351,357 ---- bpf_ptr = bpf_ptr + BPF_WORDALIGN(h->bh_hdrlen + h->bh_caplen); if(h->bh_caplen < h->bh_datalen) { ! info("caplen(%lu) < datalen(%lu) ??? - packet dropped.\n", h->bh_caplen, h->bh_datalen); ret = 0; } else { *pbuf = (u_char *)h + h->bh_hdrlen; *************** *** 360,366 **** *more = bpf_ptr < bpf_end; ! INFO("read_input: %d. (more=%d)\n", ret, *more); return ret; } --- 360,366 ---- *more = bpf_ptr < bpf_end; ! info("read_input: %d. (more=%d)\n", ret, *more); return ret; } *** ./IOProgs/epp_tun.c.old Sat Jan 31 02:52:26 1998 --- ./IOProgs/epp_tun.c Tue Aug 17 19:47:37 1999 *************** *** 13,19 **** --- 13,21 ---- # include <sys/ioctl.h> # include <sys/select.h> # include <net/if.h> + #ifndef __bsdi__ # include <net/if_var.h> + #endif # include <net/if_tun.h> # include "epp.h" # include "../libutil/util.h" *************** *** 44,50 **** argv += optind; if(argc != 3) ! panic("need one arg"); parse_ether(my_ether, argv[1]); parse_ether(other_ether, argv[2]); --- 46,52 ---- argv += optind; if(argc != 3) ! panic("need two args"); parse_ether(my_ether, argv[1]); parse_ether(other_ether, argv[2]); *** ./Config/M-i386-bsdi.old Sun Oct 12 07:10:03 1997 --- ./Config/M-i386-bsdi Wed Jun 17 20:50:19 1998 *************** *** 27,33 **** * define the cookie for the geni program (look into Utils/geni.c) * If you want geni output an object file (see later) this cookie * is used only for the profiler output */ ! /* # define MAKE_GENIS */ # define MAKE_GENIE_COOKIE "i386-as" /* define command to set data limit to K kilobytes, if you need it */ --- 27,33 ---- * define the cookie for the geni program (look into Utils/geni.c) * If you want geni output an object file (see later) this cookie * is used only for the profiler output */ ! # define MAKE_GENIS # define MAKE_GENIE_COOKIE "i386-as" /* define command to set data limit to K kilobytes, if you need it */ *************** *** 43,49 **** /* if you have the gnu libbfd and liberty you can geni have to output * object code instead of C or assembler. You must define the following: */ ! # define MAKE_HAVE_LIBBFD /* if you have it, you may have to set up the right paths. */ # define MAKE_CC_BFD_INCL -I/usr/gnu/include --- 43,49 ---- /* if you have the gnu libbfd and liberty you can geni have to output * object code instead of C or assembler. You must define the following: */ ! /* # define MAKE_HAVE_LIBBFD */ /* if you have it, you may have to set up the right paths. */ # define MAKE_CC_BFD_INCL -I/usr/gnu/include *** ./device.c.old Sat Oct 11 14:17:24 1997 --- ./device.c Thu Aug 19 23:05:53 1999 *************** *** 7,14 **** * generic device support */ ! # define TINTERVAL 20 /* msecs between clock ticks */ ! typedef struct Async Async; typedef struct Timer Timer; --- 7,14 ---- * generic device support */ ! # define TINTERVAL 16 /* msecs between clock ticks */ ! /* Should be 16.666666 for US 60hz */ typedef struct Async Async; typedef struct Timer Timer; Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA33844 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:18:19 +1000 (EST) >From "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Thu Aug 26 08:17:56 1999 Received: from moe.2bsd.com (0(a)MOE.2BSD.COM [206.139.202.200]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA33839 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:18:11 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sms@localhost) by moe.2bsd.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA18523 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Message-Id: <199908252217.PAA18523(a)moe.2bsd.com> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi - > From: Mirian Crzig Lennox <lennox(a)alcita.com> > Really! So far I have had no luck getting Supnik 2.3 to work with the > elfje rl02 images on the PUPS archive. I've always had to use the Hmm, I've been using Supnik's 2.3 emulator (on and off - I prefer running the real 11/73 though most of the time) and now that "vi" works (there was a bug in the "div" instruction which Bob fixed not all that long ago for 2.3) the emulator's more useful than it was. > significantly-hacked-up 2.2 emulator instead. What did you change > and/or what disk images are you using? You might try using the 2.11 images from the PUPS CD instead. Create a "tape file" (the instructions are in the 2.11 distribution directory) and then use a "toggle in" bootstrap for the "mt" device. The config file I use for this is: set cpu 22B set cpu 2048K set rp0 rp06 set rl0 rl02 set rl1 rl02 set rl2 rl02 set rl3 rl02 set tm0 locked at rp0 rp0 at rl0 root.rl02 at rl1 usr1.rl02 at rl2 usr2.rl02 at rl3 usr3.rl02 at rk0 junk0.rk05 at rk1 junk1.rk05 at rk2 junk2.rk05 at rk3 junk3.rk05 at rk4 junk4.rk05 at rk5 junk5.rk05 at rk6 junk6.rk05 at rk7 junk7.rk05 at tm0 mt0 at tm1 mt1 # at tm1 /zip/mt0 Place your "2.11 boot tape file" (the 'makesimtape' program which is also available in the archive and on the CD is used to create Supnik emulator tape files) in to the file "mt0" and then follow the instructions in the setup/install documentation on how to boot a tape if you don't have tape bootroms (it's less than a dozen instructions you need to toggle in the octal for). Oh - and since the "RP06" disk is just an image to the host computer (to the PDP-11 it is a RP06 ;)) the image IS interchangeable between emulators - I've used the same RP06 image under both (obviously not at the same time) the Supnik and Begemot emulators. Works fine. The biggest problem with the Supnik emulator is that the clock runs far far too fast (at least with a PPro-200 running the emulator) and after running for an extended period of time the PDP-11 system ends up several hours in the future. Steven Schultz sms(a)wlv.iipo.gtegsc.com Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA33945 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:25:13 +1000 (EST) >From "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> Thu Aug 26 08:25:27 1999 Received: from begemot.org (negara.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.112]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA33939 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:25:02 +1000 (EST) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by begemot.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id KAA11280; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:25:27 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from joerg) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:25:27 +1200 From: "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> To: "Steven M. Schultz" <sms(a)moe.2bsd.com> Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au, joerg(a)begemot.org Subject: Re: Modified Supnik emulator for the 11 Message-ID: <19990826102527.A11262(a)begemot.org> References: <199908252208.PAA18433(a)moe.2bsd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <199908252208.PAA18433(a)moe.2bsd.com>; from Steven M. Schultz on Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 03:08:53PM -0700 Organization: Begemot Computer Associates Operating-System: ... powered by FreeBSD Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 03:08:53PM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > ! # define TINTERVAL 16 /* msecs between clock ticks */ > ! /* Should be 16.666666 for US 60hz */ That's correct. I believe there are also problems with p11 missing a couple of timer interrupts. All of the complaints are entirely appropriate, the whole thing needs major cleanup. I hope one of us will finally get around doing some serious work on it again, soon. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)begemot.org> Begemot Computer Associates Phone: +64 7 8562148 6 Kakanui Avenue, Hillcrest Fax: +64 7 8562148 Hamilton, New Zealand Pager: +64 868 38222 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA34224 for pups-liszt; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 08:57:38 +1000 (EST)

25 years, 10 months

Re: V7M

by johnh＠psych.usyd.edu.au

I still have the tape and documentation (dated 31/1/81). I think most of the work was done by Fred Canter, with help from Jerry Brenner and Armando Stettnet Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA37978 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:41:30 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mon Aug 9 09:41:23 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA37974 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:41:24 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA83043 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:41:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908082341.JAA83043(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: V7M In-Reply-To: <199908082201.IAA05958(a)psychwarp.psych.usyd.edu.au> from "johnh(a)psych.usyd.edu.au" at "Aug 9, 1999 8: 1:31 am" To: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:41:23 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by johnh(a)psych.usyd.edu.au: > > I still have the tape and documentation (dated 31/1/81). I think most of the >work was done by Fred Canter, with help from Jerry Brenner and Armando Stettnet Yes, I had some email with Fred last year. He was surprised that anybody still cared :-) Norman, I thought I updated the archive to say that V7M came out of DEC. Where did I miss??! Also, no word yet from Keith Bostic w.r.t the Unix mallet. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38173 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:15:58 +1000 (EST) >From Christopher Vance <christopher.vance(a)aurema.com> Mon Aug 9 10:15:45 1999 Received: from smtp.sw.oz.au (firewall-user(a)smtp.sw.oz.au [203.31.96.1]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38169 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:15:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from swh.sw.oz.au (swh.sw.oz.au [192.41.203.42]) by smtp.sw.oz.au (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07722; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:15:45 +1000 (EST) Received: (from vance@localhost) by swh.sw.oz.au (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA18778; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:15:45 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:15:45 +1000 From: Christopher Vance <christopher.vance(a)aurema.com> To: Peter Chubb <peterc(a)aurema.com> Cc: grog(a)lemis.com.au, Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... Message-ID: <19990809101545.B18749(a)aurema.com> References: <199908060351.NAA04564(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> <199908060548.PAA16635(a)smtp.sw.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908060548.PAA16635(a)smtp.sw.oz.au>; from Peter Chubb on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:48:25PM +1000 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:48:25PM +1000, Peter Chubb wrote: : >>>>> "Warren" == Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> writes: : : Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD, : Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was: : : Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic : : : A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole : Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their : heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get : involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably : something else or a spoof.... I thought I saw in somebody's signature that Unix was a trademark in Spain (or somewhere) for something not computer-related. Perhaps that might be relevant? -- Christopher Vance Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38247 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:26:28 +1000 (EST) >From "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> Mon Aug 9 10:26:33 1999 Received: from begemot.org (negara.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.112]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38243 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:26:20 +1000 (EST) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by begemot.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id MAA70243; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:26:34 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from joerg) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:26:33 +1200 From: "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> To: Christopher Vance <christopher.vance(a)aurema.com> Cc: Peter Chubb <peterc(a)aurema.com>, grog(a)lemis.com.au, Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>, joerg(a)begemot.org Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... Message-ID: <19990809122633.A70235(a)begemot.org> References: <199908060351.NAA04564(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> <199908060548.PAA16635(a)smtp.sw.oz.au> <19990809101545.B18749(a)aurema.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <19990809101545.B18749(a)aurema.com>; from Christopher Vance on Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 10:15:45AM +1000 Organization: Begemot Computer Associates Operating-System: ... powered by FreeBSD Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 10:15:45AM +1000, Christopher Vance wrote: > On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:48:25PM +1000, Peter Chubb wrote: > : >>>>> "Warren" == Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> writes: > : > : Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD, > : Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was: > : > : Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic > : > : > : A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole > : Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their > : heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get > : involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably > : something else or a spoof.... > > I thought I saw in somebody's signature that Unix was a trademark in > Spain (or somewhere) for something not computer-related. Perhaps that > might be relevant? In Germany UNIX Rent is a car rental company. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)begemot.org> Begemot Computer Associates Phone: +64 7 8562148 6 Kakanui Avenue, Hillcrest Fax: +64 7 8562148 Hamilton, New Zealand Pager: +64 868 38222 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38292 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:28:52 +1000 (EST) >From Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> Mon Aug 9 10:28:37 1999 Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38288 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:28:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA28037; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:58:38 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA29375; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:58:37 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:58:37 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> To: Christopher Vance <christopher.vance(a)aurema.com> Cc: Peter Chubb <peterc(a)aurema.com>, Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... Message-ID: <19990809095837.F22360(a)freebie.lemis.com> References: <199908060351.NAA04564(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> <199908060548.PAA16635(a)smtp.sw.oz.au> <19990809101545.B18749(a)aurema.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990809101545.B18749(a)aurema.com>; from Christopher Vance on Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 10:15:45AM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Monday, 9 August 1999 at 10:15:45 +1000, Christopher Vance wrote: > On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:48:25PM +1000, Peter Chubb wrote: >>>>>>> "Warren" == Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> writes: >> >> Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD, >> Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was: >> >> Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic >> >> >> A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole >> Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their >> heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get >> involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably >> something else or a spoof.... > > I thought I saw in somebody's signature that Unix was a trademark in > Spain (or somewhere) for something not computer-related. Perhaps that > might be relevant? No, it was in Austria. I've forgotten what it was a trademark for, but it wasn't computer-related. In Germany, there was a car hire company called UNIX Rent. I always wanted to hire a car from them, but never got round to it. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog(a)lemis.com for PGP public key Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38462 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:41:03 +1000 (EST) >From "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> Mon Aug 9 10:41:05 1999 Received: from begemot.org (negara.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.112]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38456 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:40:56 +1000 (EST) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by begemot.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id MAA70288; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:41:05 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from joerg) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:41:05 +1200 From: "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> To: Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com> Cc: Christopher Vance <christopher.vance(a)aurema.com>, Peter Chubb <peterc(a)aurema.com>, Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>, joerg(a)begemot.org Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... Message-ID: <19990809124105.A70277(a)begemot.org> References: <199908060351.NAA04564(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> <199908060548.PAA16635(a)smtp.sw.oz.au> <19990809101545.B18749(a)aurema.com> <19990809095837.F22360(a)freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <19990809095837.F22360(a)freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 09:58:37AM +0930 Organization: Begemot Computer Associates Operating-System: ... powered by FreeBSD Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 09:58:37AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > No, it was in Austria. I've forgotten what it was a trademark for, > but it wasn't computer-related. In Germany, there was a car hire > company called UNIX Rent. I always wanted to hire a car from them, > but never got round to it. And now there is no reason to rent UNIX if you can have it for freeBSD. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)begemot.org> Begemot Computer Associates Phone: +64 7 8562148 6 Kakanui Avenue, Hillcrest Fax: +64 7 8562148 Hamilton, New Zealand Pager: +64 868 38222 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38476 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:41:23 +1000 (EST) >From Stuart Norris <norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> Mon Aug 9 10:41:16 1999 Received: from orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au (orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au [129.78.216.9]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38470 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:41:17 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (norris@localhost) by orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22070 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:41:16 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au: norris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:41:16 +1000 (EST) From: Stuart Norris <norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> X-Sender: norris(a)orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au To: Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: The dsw man page In-Reply-To: <19990809101545.B18749(a)aurema.com> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.990809103649.24488A-100000(a)orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Whilst we are discussing cryptic comments, can anyone explain the dsw man page in the 5th and 6th Edition manuals; BUGS The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its ety- mology is amusing. -- Stuart Norris norris(a)mech.eng.usyd.edu.au Mechanical Engineering,University of Sydney,NSW 2006 wk:+(61 2) 9351-2272 http://www.maths.unsw.edu.au/~norris hm:+(61 2) 9326-5276 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38563 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:47:46 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mon Aug 9 10:47:38 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA38558 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:47:39 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id KAA00491; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:47:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908090047.KAA00491(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: The dsw man page In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.95.990809103649.24488A-100000(a)orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> from Stuart Norris at "Aug 9, 1999 10:41:16 am" To: norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au (Stuart Norris) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:47:38 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Stuart Norris: > > Whilst we are discussing cryptic comments, can anyone explain the dsw man > page in the 5th and 6th Edition manuals; > > BUGS > The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its ety- > mology is amusing. Delete using switches, from memory. You toggled in an i-node number on the front panel, then ran dsw to delete that i-node. A more authorative answer, I'm sure, can be found from the 1st Ed manuals on Dennis' homepage: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/1stEdman.html. Um, just checked, it doesn't say anything about switches. I will try to dig up a reference to the `switches' story. I have seen it somewhere. Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38687 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:56:02 +1000 (EST) >From Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> Mon Aug 9 10:54:37 1999 Received: from caveman.geac.com.au (caveman.geac.com.au [203.30.73.2]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA38683 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:55:53 +1000 (EST) Received: (qmail 24065 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 11:03:51 +1000 Received: from trowel.geac.com.au (203.1.26.189) by caveman.geac.com.au with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 11:03:50 +1000 Received: (qmail 8534 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 11:07:17 +1000 Received: from fgh.geac.com.au (202.6.67.163) by trowel.geac.com.au with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 11:07:17 +1000 Received: from localhost (dave@localhost) by fgh.geac.com.au?r with ESMTP id KAA26108; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:54:37 +1000 X-Authentication-Warning: fgh.geac.com.au: dave owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:54:37 +1000 (EST) From: Dave Horsfall <dave(a)horsfall.org> X-Sender: dave@fgh To: Stuart Norris <norris(a)euler.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> cc: Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: The dsw man page In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.95.990809103649.24488A-100000(a)orr.mech.eng.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.9908091053250.25366-100000@fgh> X-No-Archive: Yes X-Witty-Saying: "Tesseract - Enter at own risk" X-Disclaimer: "Me, speak for us?" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Stuart Norris wrote: > Whilst we are discussing cryptic comments, can anyone explain the dsw man > page in the 5th and 6th Edition manuals; > > BUGS > The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its ety- > mology is amusing. Formal name: delete from switch register (you put the i-number of the file in the switch register). Informal name: Delete Sh*t Work. -- Dave Horsfall VK2KFU dave(a)geac.com.au Ph: +61 2 9978-7493 Fx: +61 2 9978-7422 Geac Computers P/L (FGH Division) 2/57 Christie St, St Leonards 2065, Australia Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA38892 for pups-liszt; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:31:10 +1000 (EST) >From Eric Fischer <enf(a)pobox.com> Mon Aug 9 11:38:03 1999 Received: from mumble.uchicago.edu (IDENT:eric@mumble.uchicago.edu [128.135.136.93]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA38888 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:31:02 +1000 (EST) Received: (from eric@localhost) by mumble.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27243; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:38:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:38:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908090138.UAA27243(a)mumble.uchicago.edu> From: Eric Fischer <enf(a)pobox.com> To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Re: The dsw man page In-Reply-To: <199908090047.KAA00491(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> References: <199908090047.KAA00491(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk > From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> > > Delete using switches, from memory. You toggled in an i-node number on > the front panel, then ran dsw to delete that i-node. ... > > I will try to dig up a reference to the `switches' story. I have seen it > somewhere. This may not be the reference you're looking for, but it definitely gets into the history of dsw. Slightly reformatted from the Usenet Oldnews archives at http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/: | Newsgroups: NET.general | From: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!mhtsa!research!dmr | Date: Wed Aug 12 00:35:06 1981 | Subject: etymology &c | | I would advise taking uiucdcs!jerry's account of history and | motivations with a healthy dose of salt. However, his heart's in | the right place (unlike some). | | A while ago someone asked Ken Thompson what he would do differently | if he were to do Unix again. The answer: "I would have called it | create instead of creat." Well, my answer is that I would have | fixed the stupid dsw manual page. Fortunately, I can atone | by publishing a correct account (not the real 1970 manual page, | but an incredible simulation). | | Subject: dsw manual page (honest) | | | DSW(1) UNIX Programmer's Manual DSW(1) | | NAME | dsw - delete from switches | | SYNOPSIS | (put number in console switches) | dsw | core | | DESCRIPTION | dsw reads the console switches to obtain a number n, prints | the name of the n-th file in the current directory, and | exits, leaving a core image file named core. If this core | file is executed, the file whose name was last printed is | unlinked (see unlink(2)). | | The command is useful for deleting files whose names are | difficult to type. | | SEE ALSO | rm(1), unlink(2) | | BUGS | This command was written in 2 minutes to delete a particular | file that managed to get an 0200 bit in its name. It should | work by printing the name of each file in a specified direc- | tory and requesting a `y' or `n' answer. Better, it should | be an option of rm(1). | | The name is mnemonic, but likely to cause trouble in the | future. | | Printed 8/11/81 PDP-7 local 1 | | ------------------------------------------------------------------- | | This Usenet Oldnews Archive article may be copied and distributed | freely, provided: | | 1. There is no money collected for the text(s) of the articles. | 2. The following notice remains appended to each copy: | The Usenet Oldnews Archive: Compilation Copyright (C) 1981, 1996 | Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, David Wiseman. eric

25 years, 11 months

V7M

by norman＠nose.cita.utoronto.ca

While poking around in the documentation for the PUPS archive, I noticed that V7M is there, but that Warren's note about it says `I have no other information about who created these changes.' I believe it was the Telecommunication Industries Group in Digital, who did the work to make it easier to sell newer PDP-11 hardware to parts of the Bell System that used UNIX but didn't want to do their own kernel hacking. (Actually I suspect they also did it because the work was interesting and fun, and because there was a somewhat larger community to whom it would be useful; but the Bell System connection justified it to management.) The changes that turned V7 into V7M were given away to anyone that had an appropriate license from AT&T; Digital didn't charge for them, nor was there any additional license. V7M was used as the base for what was eventually called Ultrix, Digital's own name-brand UNIX, but that product didn't appear for several years after. I believe Bill Munson was the manager in charge of TIG at the time; certainly he was an early management-level champion of UNIX within Digital. Armando Stettner was probably the most famous of the other folks in the group, though by no means the only one. All this is vague stuff for me, since it happened a little before I got involved in UNIX, and I never ran V7M. I expect there are others out there who know more; please chime in! Norman Wilson

25 years, 11 months

Re: "Unix-based mallet" ???

by Greg Lehey

Does anybody here have an idea what this could be? Greg ----- Forwarded message from Chris Baird <cjb(a)brushtail.apana.org.au> ----- > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 15:52:28 +1000 (EST) > To: netbsd-users(a)netbsd.org > Reply-to: abuse(a)brushtail.apana.org.au > Precedence: list > Delivered-To: netbsd-users(a)netbsd.org > > While looking over userland source, calendar(1)'s calendar.computer > mentions: > > 08/14 First Unix-based mallet created, 1954 > > Could someone please explain the joke. :) > > -- > Chris Baird,, <cjb(a)brushtail.apana.org.au> ----- End forwarded message ----- -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog(a)lemis.com for PGP public key Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24693 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:22:43 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Fri Aug 6 13:20:44 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24689 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:22:27 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id NAA04460; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:20:44 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908060320.NAA04460(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: "Unix-based mallet" ??? In-Reply-To: <19990806123334.K5126(a)freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Aug 6, 1999 12:33:34 pm" To: grog(a)lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:20:44 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Greg Lehey: > Does anybody here have an idea what this could be? > > Greg > > ----- Forwarded message from Chris Baird <cjb(a)brushtail.apana.org.au> ----- > > While looking over userland source, calendar(1)'s calendar.computer > > mentions: > > 08/14 First Unix-based mallet created, 1954 > > Could someone please explain the joke. :) I can't find it in V6/V7/2.11, which version of Unix and calendar(1)? Cheers, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24768 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:34:59 +1000 (EST) >From "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> Fri Aug 6 13:34:43 1999 Received: from begemot.org (negara.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.112]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24764 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:34:51 +1000 (EST) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by begemot.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id PAA63389; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:34:43 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from joerg) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:34:43 +1200 From: "Joerg B. Micheel" <joerg(a)begemot.org> To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au Cc: Greg Lehey <grog(a)lemis.com>, Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: "Unix-based mallet" ??? Message-ID: <19990806153443.A63379(a)begemot.org> References: <19990806123334.K5126(a)freebie.lemis.com> <199908060320.NAA04460(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <199908060320.NAA04460(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>; from Warren Toomey on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 01:20:44PM +1000 Organization: Begemot Computer Associates Operating-System: ... powered by FreeBSD Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 01:20:44PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > In article by Greg Lehey: > > Does anybody here have an idea what this could be? > > > > Greg > > > > ----- Forwarded message from Chris Baird <cjb(a)brushtail.apana.org.au> ----- > > > While looking over userland source, calendar(1)'s calendar.computer > > > mentions: > > > 08/14 First Unix-based mallet created, 1954 > > > Could someone please explain the joke. :) > > I can't find it in V6/V7/2.11, which version of Unix and calendar(1)? At least on FreeBSD it is in /usr/share/calendar/calendar.computer. Cannot check other versions at the moment. Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)begemot.org> Begemot Computer Associates Phone: +64 7 8562148 6 Kakanui Avenue, Hillcrest Fax: +64 7 8562148 Hamilton, New Zealand Pager: +64 868 38222 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24816 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:38:36 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Fri Aug 6 13:38:22 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24809 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:38:30 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id NAA04506; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:38:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908060338.NAA04506(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: "Unix-based mallet" ??? In-Reply-To: <19990806153443.A63379(a)begemot.org> from "Joerg B. Micheel" at "Aug 6, 1999 3:34:43 pm" To: joerg(a)begemot.org (Joerg B. Micheel) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:38:22 +1000 (EST) Cc: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au, grog(a)lemis.com, pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Joerg B. Micheel: > > > > 08/14 First Unix-based mallet created, 1954 > > I can't find it in V6/V7/2.11, which version of Unix and calendar(1)? > At least on FreeBSD it is in /usr/share/calendar/calendar.computer. > Cannot check other versions at the moment. > Joerg It's also in 4.4-Lite, Iguess we'll have to backtrack to find when it was added. Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24962 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:51:38 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Fri Aug 6 13:51:30 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24955 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:51:31 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id NAA04564 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:51:30 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908060351.NAA04564(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Unix mallet .... To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:51:30 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD, /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was: date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic Mind you, this was obviously the first time it was checked into SCCS. I'll keep looking. We could ask Keith what he know about it. Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25320 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:00:57 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Fri Aug 6 15:00:46 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25316 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:00:50 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id PAA40293; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:00:47 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199908060500.PAA40293(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... In-Reply-To: <19990806134045.O5126(a)freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Aug 6, 1999 1:40:45 pm" To: grog(a)lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:00:46 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk On Friday, 6 August 1999 at 13:51:30 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD, > /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was: > date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic > Mind you, this was obviously the first time it was checked into SCCS. > I'll keep looking. We could ask Keith what he knows about it. Well, the earliest calendar.computer files I can find, apart from the SCCS record, are: Distributions/4bsd/43reno.vax/src.tar, calendar.computer dated 1989/11/28 Distributions/4bsd/net2/net2.tar, calendar.computer dated 1989/11/28 Distributions/4bsd/43reno.vax/usr.tar, calendar.computer dated 1990/07/29 [from the PUPS Archive] so the finger of suspicion does point at Keith Bostic. In article by Greg Lehey: > Sounds reasonable. You want to [ask Keith]? Yep, I'll fire off some email now. Cheers all, Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25515 for pups-liszt; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:48:34 +1000 (EST) >From Peter Chubb <peterc(a)aurema.com> Fri Aug 6 15:48:25 1999 Received: from smtp.sw.oz.au (firewall-user(a)smtp.sw.oz.au [203.31.96.1]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25511 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:48:27 +1000 (EST) Received: (from peterc@localhost) by smtp.sw.oz.au (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id PAA16635; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:48:25 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:48:25 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199908060548.PAA16635(a)smtp.sw.oz.au> From: Peter Chubb <peterc(a)aurema.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: grog(a)lemis.com.au Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Subject: Re: Unix mallet .... In-Reply-To: <199908060351.NAA04564(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> References: <199908060351.NAA04564(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.31 under 20.2 XEmacs Lucid Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v04.023. Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Warren" == Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> writes: Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD, Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was: Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably something else or a spoof.... Peter C

25 years, 11 months

PUPS mail list: still alive!

by Warren Toomey

Hi all, I thought I'd better send in a message to the PUPS list just to shake out the cobwebs, and to welcome on the newest half-dozen subscribers. I've added some more disk space, memory and a new OS to the PUPS Archive machine, minnie. About 100 people now have access to the archive, and SCO has sold 166 Ancient UNIX licenses. Peter Chubb recently mentioned that Dennis Ritchie has unearthed some old C compilers (see http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/primevalC.html) I'll add them into the Archive soon, and perhaps even try to compile them with the 5th Edition compiler. As always, if you have any questions etc. about old Unixes, please drop them into this mailing list. Cheers, Warren

25 years, 11 months

Old ATT 3b2 Documentation. (fwd)

by Warren Toomey

----- Forwarded message from Riggi, Mike ----- >From MRIGGI(a)EMPIRE.STATE.NY.US Fri Jul 2 22:51:01 1999 Message-ID: <904E343860E9D211ADD80008C7CF70FD1C2F65@ALBINET> From: "Riggi, Mike" <MRIGGI(a)EMPIRE.STATE.NY.US> To: "'wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au'" <wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Old ATT 3b2 Documentation. Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 08:48:32 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: "Riggi, Mike" <MRIGGI(a)EMPIRE.STATE.NY.US> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I have complete sys documentation that came with ATT 3b2 400 machine in early 1980s. Includes all 20+ red 3-ring binders (includes all diskettes), also sets of ATT videos on SVR3.2. Also some software for the 3b2 such as 20/20 spreadsheet and WordPerfect. Can you think of anyone who would like this for free? Michael Riggi (518) 473-7649 or 439-3207. ----- End of forwarded message from Riggi, Mike -----

26 years

Unix 6 & the E11 Emulator

by Erin Corliss

How do you boot Unix 6 on an Ersatz-11 emulator? Here is the e11.ini I have: set cpu 40 mount dm0: ..\rk6.dsk assign tt1: f2 assign tt2: f3 boot dm0: The emulator currently displays the copyright, followed by a new line and an "@" symbol. At this point if you type "rkunix" or "unix" it has an exception...

26 years

Re: Free to a good home... (fwd)

by Warren Toomey

In article by David C. Jenner: > 1502 SCO Ancient Unix license holders! (Or is it 152?) Whups, typo :-) > Wow, that's $150,000 to SCO for supporting the effort. > That should probably be enough to pay all the lawyers, etc. > (Even if it's only $15,000.) I hope Warren got a cut, too. :) No, no cut for me, just happiness that people can use the archive. We're currently just back up from a campus-wide power failure. I knew it was coming. Every time minnie get over 100 days uptime, we have a power failure. Cheers all, Warren

26 years, 1 month

Free to a good home... (fwd)

by Warren Toomey

All, Just a message to say that the PUPS mailing list DOES exist :-) It's just very quiet, so please feel free to wake it up. I should send in a list of new things in the PUPS Archive. We now have: 152 people subscribed to the mailing list 100 people with access to the PUPS archive 1502 SCO Ancient Unix license holders. Finally, John Dodson in Australia (who is not on the list), asked me to forward this message to you all. Cheers, Warren ----- Forwarded message from John Dodson ----- From: John Dodson <johnd(a)physiol.usyd.edu.au> Subject: Free to a good home... Free to a good home... Complete set of RSX11-M manuals. (Yes it ran on a PDP11 ;-) Complete set of Ultrix manuals. (Oh Ok so it ran on Vaxes ;-) One or 2 PDP-11/23's + some i/o cards (I'm not making a list, YOU must look, decide & negotiate with me to let them go...) A volunteer prepared to make a list would be OK. Contact: John Dodson, Dept of Physiology, (F13) johnd(a)physiol.usyd.edu.au & Faculty of Medicine, http://www.physiol.usyd.edu.au/johnd University of Sydney, Phone +61 2 9351 3277 NSW 2006 Fax +61 2 9351 2058 Australia. Bring a strong friend when you pick it up. You have a week before the docs are trashed. The machines & cards I'll keep for a while till they find a good home. Sorry I cannot (will not) deliver. ----- End of forwarded message from John Dodson ----- Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA26777 for pups-liszt; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:13:38 +1000 (EST) >From Wim Fournier <wim(a)usn.nl> Tue Jun 1 16:59:52 1999 Received: from superluminal.usn.nl (wim(a)superluminal.usn.nl [194.183.103.23]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA26771 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:13:27 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wim@localhost) by superluminal.usn.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA30249 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:59:52 +0200 From: Wim Fournier <wim(a)usn.nl> Message-Id: <199906010659.IAA30249(a)superluminal.usn.nl> Subject: Introduction To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:59:52 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Well as the list does live (a bit) let me introduce myself, maybe I can get out some discussion. My name is Wim Fournier (for known people and friends (not that I have any) it's Wimpie). I'm a student of 19 years old and currently doing Technical Informatics... That is something like system engineer with much knowledge. I'm higly interrested in electronics; High Frequency radio; computers; computer hardware; Old stuf (audio/compu/etc);unix/Linux I own a PDP11/94 with modem-lines / dr11c / tu80 / etc I have not got it working yet (hacking!!!) It's from the dutch telecom company KPN who has used it for semaphone (beepers and stuff) It came with a 19" rack (all black + heavy) and a switch box for American plugs. When I put the box and the PDP on power and switch on the switch and set it to local on or power on, only the switch goes on... the PDP does not react.. I have got one suspect: the wire between the switch and the PDP (3-wire in the back)... it was broken and I re-wire it 1 on 1 but do not know if this is OK. Further more I haven't got a disk yet. I'm searching for an old apple disk (scsi-1) as someone told me it should work. If someone has got an answer to my frustrating problems.. I'm listening.. 8*} Well... that will be the end of this shout for help plus introduction.. Greetings, Wim Fournier Unix Support Netherlands (practice training company for my study) PS: sorry for the bad English if any.. My keyboard doesn't type English that good... 8*)) Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA27048 for pups-liszt; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:21:15 +1000 (EST) >From Wim Fournier <wim(a)usn.nl> Tue Jun 1 19:07:16 1999 Received: from superluminal.usn.nl (wim(a)superluminal.usn.nl [194.183.103.23]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA27043 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 19:21:05 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wim@localhost) by superluminal.usn.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00196; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:07:16 +0200 From: Wim Fournier <wim(a)usn.nl> Message-Id: <199906010907.LAA00196(a)superluminal.usn.nl> Subject: Re: Introduction To: A.F.R.Bain(a)dpmms.cam.ac.uk (Alan F R Bain) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:07:16 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au In-Reply-To: <E10ok9a-0006Jy-00(a)moose.dpmms.cam.ac.uk> from "Alan F R Bain" at Jun 1, 99 09:44:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk > > Wim Fournier wrote: > >Well as the list does live (a bit) let me introduce myself, maybe I can get > >out some discussion. > > > >I own a PDP11/94 with modem-lines / dr11c / tu80 / etc > >When I put the box and the PDP on power and switch on the switch and set it to > >local on or power on, only the switch goes on... the PDP does not react.. I > >have got one suspect: the wire between the switch and the PDP (3-wire in the > >back)... it was broken and I re-wire it 1 on 1 but do not know if this is OK. > > Why not try powering up the PDP independantly of the power controller? > You can make an american socket -> dutch plug lead, or just swap the plug. > There's also most probably a circuit breaker on the back of the PDP. > Check that this hasn't tripped (or been damaged in transit!). That's a good one.. I saw the breaker.. it's holding the floor of the pdp.. But what I'm wordering is what the power consumption is (at 220V) in ampere, because I will be feeding it from an normal home-socket (line/null/mass) at +/- 230Volt 10 Ampere. > > The H??? power controller is just a box with a big relay for switching > everything on at once. There came with it two little short ciruit > plugs for testing (there is a power on line and and power off due to > overheating line). I you do need a new three wire power controller > cable, I have a box of hundreds of them, email me and I'm sure I can > send you one. Well.. I didn't get the test plugs.. but that's OK.. I'll nuke them myself 8*) And as of the power controller cables.. How much does it cost to send from your house (where do you live anyway?) to The Netherlands (I live near Utrecht (about the center of NL)) > > >Further more I haven't got a disk yet. I'm searching for an old apple disk > >(scsi-1) as someone told me it should work. > > This depends upon the controller cards installed in the PDP. > I'll send you a list tommorow.. > Alan > Thanks Wim Fournier Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA27545 for pups-liszt; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:02:12 +1000 (EST) >From "David C. Jenner" <djenner(a)halcyon.com> Tue Jun 1 22:47:30 1999 Received: from smtp04.nwnexus.com (smtp04.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.52]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA27540 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 23:02:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from halcyon.com (jenner.net [206.63.251.66]) by smtp04.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA00390; Tue, 1 Jun 1999 05:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3753D662.9913E45C(a)halcyon.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 05:47:30 -0700 From: "David C. Jenner" <djenner(a)halcyon.com> Organization: Northwest Nexus Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au CC: Unix Heritage Society <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Free to a good home... (fwd) References: <199906010555.PAA07705(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk 1502 SCO Ancient Unix license holders! (Or is it 152?) Wow, that's $150,000 to SCO for supporting the effort. That should probably be enough to pay all the lawyers, etc. (Even if it's only $15,000.) I hope Warren got a cut, too. :) Dave Warren Toomey wrote: > > All, > Just a message to say that the PUPS mailing list DOES exist :-) > It's just very quiet, so please feel free to wake it up. I should > send in a list of new things in the PUPS Archive. > > We now have: > 152 people subscribed to the mailing list > 100 people with access to the PUPS archive > 1502 SCO Ancient Unix license holders. > > Finally, John Dodson in Australia (who is not on the list), asked > me to forward this message to you all. > > Cheers, > Warren > > ----- Forwarded message from John Dodson ----- > From: John Dodson <johnd(a)physiol.usyd.edu.au> > Subject: Free to a good home... > > Free to a good home... > > Complete set of RSX11-M manuals. (Yes it ran on a PDP11 ;-) > > Complete set of Ultrix manuals. (Oh Ok so it ran on Vaxes ;-) > > One or 2 PDP-11/23's + some i/o cards (I'm not making a list, YOU must > look, decide & negotiate with me to let them go...) > A volunteer prepared to make a list would be OK. > > Contact: > > John Dodson, Dept of Physiology, (F13) > johnd(a)physiol.usyd.edu.au & Faculty of Medicine, > http://www.physiol.usyd.edu.au/johnd University of Sydney, > Phone +61 2 9351 3277 NSW 2006 > Fax +61 2 9351 2058 Australia. > > Bring a strong friend when you pick it up. You have a week before the docs are > trashed. The machines & cards I'll keep for a while till they find a good home. > Sorry I cannot (will not) deliver. > ----- End of forwarded message from John Dodson -----

26 years, 1 month

Removing VAXBI and XMI boards

by Michael Sokolov

Hello everyone, As I'm trying to determine the exact configuration of the VAX 6000 I have just acquired, I have the following very stupid question: how in the world do you pull a VAXBI or XMI board out of the backplane? It's definitely nothing like any UNIBUS or Q-bus stuff I have worked with so far. UNIBUS and Q-bus both use Mxxxx series modules, but VAXBI and XMI use Txxxx series ones, which look quite different mechanically. There is a long black bar hanging over each slot, including empty ones, but no fiddling with it makes the board come out. Could someone please explain to me how to pull VAXBI and XMI boards out and put them back in? TIA. Special Agent Michael Sokolov Harhan Computer Operation Facility International Free Computing Task Force Phone: +1-216-761-3656 ARPA Internet SMTP mail: msokolov(a)harrier.Uznet.NET

26 years, 1 month

Re: TOC of Sun3 SunOS 4.1.1 tapes (what about sunos 4.1???)

by rdkeys＠unity.ncsu.edu

> While rummaging I found this. Thought some one might find it useful. Yes indeedy.... I had a paper copy of that, but it is nice to get an electronic copy. > SunOS 4.1.1 700-2719-10 of Sun Oct 14 16:11:25 PDT 1990 from Sun Release Engineering > ARCH sun3 > VOLUME 1 > Vol File Name Size Type > 1 0 boot 32768 image > 1 1 XDRTOC 4096 toc > 1 2 munix 729600 image > 1 3 munixfs.tape 1638400 image Speaking of 4.1.1 bits, I have a 4.1 tape for the early sun4 machines that has bad spots in the usr file system and beyond on Tape 1 of 2. Up to that point (the first 6 files) tape 1 is fine, and tape 2 is fine. Anyone have the usr tarballs and later from a sun4 sunos 4.1 tape 1 that I could use to rewrite my tape? Right now I a using bits from the 4.1.1 CD, but it would be nice to have the original 4.1 files so that I could fully rewrite the tape with the correct bits. What I would like to do is pull the reels out of a good fresh tape, and put them into the Sun badged cartridge, and rewrite it. My 4/260 box would be much appreciative, for the long haul. Any suggestions or leads to the mystical files are appreciated. Is there a tally of how many of us are doing the old vme sun bit? I run 3 12-slot boxes and 1 3-slot box, with 3/110, 3/160, 3/200, 4/110, 4/260 configurations, depending upon how the boards are swapped on any given day. Yeah, I know, it ain't one of our treasured PDP-11 toyz, but it a lot easier to find in the dustbins here and there.....(:+}}... Bob Keys

26 years, 2 months

Re: UNIX Heritage Society Digest V1 #78

by Robert Harker, 408-295-9432

The standard SunOS comand to move the tape is mt -f /dev/nrst0 rew mt -f /dev/nrst0 fsf 1 You need to use the non-rewinding device, /dev/nrst0, not /dev/rst0 which rewinds the tape automatically. Then you might try either tar tvfb /dev/nrst0 20b or dd if=/dev/nrst0 of=dd.out.file bs=20b Trying to recall what the format of the files on the sun tape were. Humm.... Wonder if I still have my copy tape script.... Rummage around with find... found it. It is attached at the end. A pretty stupid script now that I look at it. But it did the trick to copy tapes from disk dd images. I leave it as an excersize to write the script to copy the tape to disk. BTW, the tapes were only 20 Mb in those days. Hope this helps RLH Proud owner of a Sun 100U > Generate sendmail.cf files using the web. 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Thought some one might find it useful. Hope this helps RLH > Generate sendmail.cf files using the web. Check out our web based < > sendmail.cf file generator: http://www.harker.com/gen.sendmail.cf < > For info about our "Managing Internet Mail, Setting Up and Trouble < > Shooting sendmail and DNS" and a schedule of dates and locations, < > please send email to info(a)harker.com, or visit www.harker.com < Robert Harker Harker Systems Sendmail and TCP/IP Network Training 1180 Hester Ave Sendmail, Network, and Sysadmin Consulting San Jose, CA 95126 harker(a)harker.com 408-295-6239 SunOS 4.1.1 700-2719-10 of Sun Oct 14 16:11:25 PDT 1990 from Sun Release Engineering ARCH sun3 VOLUME 1 Vol File Name Size Type 1 0 boot 32768 image 1 1 XDRTOC 4096 toc 1 2 munix 729600 image 1 3 munixfs.tape 1638400 image 1 4 mini-root 7168000 image 1 5 root 74309 tarZ 1 6 usr 11609002 tarZ 1 7 Kvm 2042991 tarZ 1 8 Install 375409 tarZ 1 9 Networking 368239 tarZ 1 10 System_V 1624303 tarZ 1 11 Sys 1824146 tarZ 1 12 SunView_Users 978709 tarZ 1 13 SunView_Demo 196393 tarZ 1 14 Text 286755 tarZ 1 15 Demo 2132420 tarZ 1 16 OpenWindows_Users 10627838 tarZ 1 17 OpenWindows_Demo 2235385 tarZ 1 18 OpenWindows_Fonts 7180441 tarZ 1 19 User_Diag 1362467 tarZ 1 20 Manual 2653437 tarZ 1 21 TLI 18976 tarZ 1 22 RFS 338005 tarZ 1 23 Debugging 1141193 tarZ 1 24 SunView_Programmers 696087 tarZ 1 25 Shlib_Custom 748155 tarZ 1 26 Graphics 1219433 tarZ 1 27 uucp 226513 tarZ 1 28 Copyright 1536 image 2 0 XDRTOC 4096 toc 2 1 XDRTOC 4096 toc 2 2 Games 1558603 tarZ 2 3 Versatec 2383297 tarZ 2 4 Security 203109 tarZ 2 5 OpenWindows_Programmers 3916907 tarZ 2 6 Patch_IPC 139264 tarZ 2 7 Patch_C++_2.0 2953216 tarZ 2 8 Patch_TAAC 20480 tarZ 2 9 Copyright 1536 image Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA21141 for pups-liszt; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:03:09 +1000 (EST) >From "Robert Harker, 408-295-9432" <harker(a)harker.com> Thu May 6 08:59:03 1999 Received: from harker.harker.com (harker.harker.com [192.102.231.1]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21136 for <pups-digest(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 6 May 1999 09:02:59 +1000 (EST) Received: (from harker@localhost) by harker.harker.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA23434 for pups-digest(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Wed, 5 May 1999 15:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:59:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Robert Harker, 408-295-9432" <harker(a)harker.com> Message-Id: <199905052259.PAA23434(a)harker.harker.com> To: pups-digest(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Looking for Sun2 Multibus SCSI board Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk I am looking for a Sun2 Mutlibus SCSI board, no cables. Will give it a good home, pay money (some), or trade for other Sun2 Mutlibus stuff. If you need Sun2 Mutlibus boards I have some spares. Drop a request. Thanks in advance RLH > Generate sendmail.cf files using the web. Check out our web based < > sendmail.cf file generator: http://www.harker.com/gen.sendmail.cf < > For info about our "Managing Internet Mail, Setting Up and Trouble < > Shooting sendmail and DNS" and a schedule of dates and locations, < > please send email to info(a)harker.com, or visit www.harker.com < Robert Harker Harker Systems Sendmail and TCP/IP Network Training 1180 Hester Ave Sendmail, Network, and Sysadmin Consulting San Jose, CA 95126 harker(a)harker.com 408-295-6239 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA22062 for pups-liszt; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:13:25 +1000 (EST) >From Joerg Micheel <joerg(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> Thu May 6 15:09:17 1999 Received: from xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.20]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22057 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:13:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz (joerg(a)lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.12]) by xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22179 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 6 May 1999 17:09:18 +1200 (NZST) Received: (from joerg@localhost) by lucy.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id RAA01649 for pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au; Thu, 6 May 1999 17:09:17 +1200 (NZST) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 17:09:17 +1200 From: Joerg Micheel <joerg(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: Interview with Ken Thompson in COMPUTER Message-ID: <19990506170917.A1630(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: SCMS, The University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand Project: WAND - Waikato Applied Network Dynamics, DAG Operating-System: ... drained by Solaris 7 SPARC Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk Hi there, I found this one quite interesting reading: http://computer.org/computer/thompson.htm Joerg -- Joerg B. Micheel Email: <joerg(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> Waikato Applied Network Dynamics Phone: +64 7 8384794 The University of Waikato, SCMS Fax: +64 7 8384155 Private Bag 3105 Pager: +64 868 38222 Hamilton, New Zealand Plan: TINE and the DAG's Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA22082 for pups-liszt; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:16:50 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Thu May 6 15:12:40 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22077 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:16:41 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id PAA10788; Thu, 6 May 1999 15:12:40 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199905060512.PAA10788(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Interview with Ken Thompson in COMPUTER In-Reply-To: <19990506170917.A1630(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz> from Joerg Micheel at "May 6, 1999 5: 9:17 pm" To: joerg(a)cs.waikato.ac.nz (Joerg Micheel) Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 15:12:40 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Joerg Micheel: > Hi there, > > I found this one quite interesting reading: > > http://computer.org/computer/thompson.htm >Joerg Yes, I should link it on the PUPS/TUHS pages. Thanks Joerg. Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA22960 for pups-liszt; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:31:54 +1000 (EST)

26 years, 2 months

Usenix archives?

by Tim Shoppa

A rescue yesterday yielded several 9-tracks claiming to be Usenix collections from the late 70's and early 80's. Are there any Usenix collections online that might be interested in copies? If not, would this material be appropriate for the PUPS archive, possibly in a trimmed or edited form? -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA07967 for pups-liszt; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:05:27 +1000 (EST) >From Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Mon May 3 09:03:24 1999 Received: from henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (henry.cs.adfa.edu.au [131.236.21.158]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07962 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:05:19 +1000 (EST) Received: (from wkt@localhost) by henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA41888; Mon, 3 May 1999 09:03:24 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from wkt) From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Message-Id: <199905022303.JAA41888(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> Subject: Re: Usenix archives? In-Reply-To: <990502174247.20c01252(a)trailing-edge.com> from Tim Shoppa at "May 2, 1999 5:42:47 pm" To: SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:03:24 +1000 (EST) Cc: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (Unix Heritage Society) Reply-To: wkt(a)cs.adfa.edu.au X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk In article by Tim Shoppa: > A rescue yesterday yielded several 9-tracks claiming to be Usenix > collections from the late 70's and early 80's. Are there any Usenix > collections online that might be interested in copies? If not, would > this material be appropriate for the PUPS archive, possibly in a trimmed > or edited form? Hi Tim, yes I think those tapes would be excellent material for the PUPS Archive. We already have some Usenix tapes in the archive: 2616 Applications/Usenix_77/ug091377-ar.tar.gz 10208 Applications/Spencer_Tapes/del.tar.gz 2688 Applications/Spencer_Tapes/tor79.tar.gz but of course more would be welcome. I'd be happy to take them untrimmed :-) Thanks! Warren Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA10986 for pups-liszt; Tue, 4 May 1999 01:43:39 +1000 (EST) >From Eric Fischer <eric(a)fudge.uchicago.edu> Tue May 4 01:41:11 1999 Received: from fudge.uchicago.edu (IDENT:eric@fudge.uchicago.edu [128.135.136.68]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA10981 for <pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au>; Tue, 4 May 1999 01:43:28 +1000 (EST) Received: (from eric@localhost) by fudge.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10922; Mon, 3 May 1999 10:41:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:41:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric Fischer <eric(a)fudge.uchicago.edu> Message-Id: <199905031541.KAA10922(a)fudge.uchicago.edu> To: pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Subject: SunOS 0.4 tape Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk When sorting through old things in the machine room here recently, Job Bogan came across an early QIC tape of SunOS. The label reads: Sun UNIX 4.2* Software Release 0.4 (*Berkeley Beta Release) 1/4" Boot Tape 1 of 2 700-0585-01 copyright (c) 1983 Sun Microsystems Unfortunately, when I attempted to read the tape, all I got was a tar file of a Fortran program dating from 1989. It didn't get very far into the tape, though, so parts of the original software may still be present -- but I don't know how to get past the end-of-tape mark to get at them. Any ideas? By the way, the Sun 1 that this tape goes with still exists, elsewhere on campus, but hasn't been in usable condition in years. eric Received: (from major@localhost) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA11134 for pups-liszt; Tue, 4 May 1999 02:31:47 +1000 (EST) >From Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com> Tue May 4 02:29:16 1999 Received: from timaxp.trailing-edge.com (trailing-edge.wdn.com [198.232.144.27]) by minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA11129 for <PUPS(a)MINNIE.cs.adfa.EDU.AU>; Tue, 4 May 1999 02:31:36 +1000 (EST) Received: by timaxp.trailing-edge.com for PUPS(a)MINNIE.cs.adfa.EDU.AU; Mon, 3 May 1999 12:29:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:29:16 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa <SHOPPA(a)trailing-edge.com> To: PUPS(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Message-Id: <990503122916.20c010f3(a)trailing-edge.com> Subject: Re: SunOS 0.4 tape Sender: owner-pups(a)minnie.cs.adfa.edu.au Precedence: bulk >When sorting through old things in the machine room here recently, >Job Bogan came across an early QIC tape of SunOS. The label reads: > > Sun UNIX 4.2* Software Release 0.4 > (*Berkeley Beta Release) > 1/4" Boot Tape 1 of 2 700-0585-01 > copyright (c) 1983 Sun Microsystems > >Unfortunately, when I attempted to read the tape, all I got was a >tar file of a Fortran program dating from 1989. So presumably someone decided to re-use this tape - and we hope they didn't reformat the tape first. > It didn't get very >far into the tape, though, so parts of the original software may >still be present -- but I don't know how to get past the end-of-tape >mark to get at them. Any ideas? QIC tape formats have physical sectors that the controller (in your case, most likely the SCSI controller that interfaces the drive to your SCSI bus) presents to the rest of the system as a series of logical tape records and tape marks. You can't get past the logical end-of-tape because the SCSI controller (not host adapter!) "knows" there's nothing past the logical end-of-tape. If you bypass this by going straight to the physical sectors, you can read the data following logical end-of-tape, assuming that the cartridge was never reformatted. Most SCSI QIC tape controllers will let you get at the physical sectors, but this is rarely supported by the OS and isn't always consistent from model to model and manufacturer to manufacturer. QIC tape standards are pretty well documented at http://www.qic.org/. For details on how your SCSI QIC drive can be forced to access physical sectors, it's best to go straight to the drive manufacturer's technical manuals. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

26 years, 2 months

Yet another PDP-11 web page

by johnh＠psych.usyd.edu.au

I have created 'yet another PDP-11 page', hence forth to be known as YAPP at :- www.psych.usyd.edu.au/pdp-11 I have covered all the production PDP-11's with a slant to earlier models, and lots of images. Enjoy.

26 years, 2 months

Old (7th ed 32v?) manuals

by Tim Bradshaw

I have a set of printed (decent quality) manuals which were distributed with 32bit machines (HLH Orions) which ran BSD in later life (I have BSD manuals for them). These ones must be from some early port of <something>, perhaps 32v or I'm not sure what. They're dated 1979 and seem to describe some definitely pre-BSD Unix. As you can probably tell I haven't been through them in detail or I'd have more info. I don't really want them as they're 4 folders which don't actually define any system I have (unless I succeed in finding a free PDP11 of reasonable physical size in the UK...) and really I have too much stuff already... But it seems a shame to just throw them out. Is it worth trying to preserve such things? Could anyone offer them a home. I can post them in the UK, and abroad if it's not too savagely expensive. --tim

26 years, 3 months

FWD: PDP-11/83 looking for good home

by Robert J. Kelley

I hope someone can put this machine to good use. I'd pursue it myself but I live in Portland, OR. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Path: news!global-news-master!newsfeed.concentric.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.223.23!dustdevil.neo.rr.com!not-for-mail From: matuscak(a)rohrer.com (Joe Matuscak) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec Subject: PDP-11/83 looking for good home Message-ID: <MPG.1162bfd24561aa4989684(a)news-server.neo.rr.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:25:09 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.210.200.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)neo.rr.com X-Trace: dustdevil.neo.rr.com 922285509 204.210.200.18 (Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:25:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:25:09 EDT Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online -- Northeast Ohio Xref: news comp.sys.dec:76218 We have a PDP-11/83 system (BA123 worldbox, 2 DHQ11, RD54, TK50, LA120, LA324) that is looking for a home. It's running MicroRSTS and is working. We are located in northeast Ohio. Call or email me. Thanks, -- Joe Matuscak Rohrer Corporation 717 Seville Road Wadsworth, Ohio 44281 (330)335-1541 matuscak(a)rohrer.com

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