On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 03:08:53PM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote:
> ! # define TINTERVAL 16 /* msecs between clock ticks */
> ! /* Should be 16.666666 for US 60hz */
That's correct. I believe there are also problems with p11 missing
a couple of timer interrupts. All of the complaints are entirely
appropriate, the whole thing needs major cleanup. I hope one of us
will finally get around doing some serious work on it again, soon.
Joerg
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In article by S. Akmentins-Teilors:
[Supnik emulator improvements]
> Is anyone else out the hacking it up and interested in sharing
> any work?
> -skots
I'm sure Bob Supnik would appreciate your changes.
Cheers,
Warren
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> > From: staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors)
>
> THe other change I had to make was to 'devices.c' to speed up the
> clock - it's still not right for a PPro-200 but is better than it
> was (the clock was running far too slow, now it's just ~10% too slow).
The same similar tweak on Supnik has me to within seconds on the hour. They're
all gonna start losing it under load anyways, but that's life when running
an emulator under non-RT ;)
> > And if anyone has managed to get the Begemot emulator
> > working on recent FreeBSD-4.0-CURRENT versions, I'd be
>
> Not FreeBSD but if you're getting bit by the same thing I did earlier
> under another BSD that switched from a.out to ELF the changes below
> may be useful to you.
Actually, I had resolved issue of linking and the prepended underscores before.
The compile has always been clean, but the program simply doesn't work.
For example, run with -b from the command line, it returns the shell prompt
almost immediately. Otherwise, when booting it simply indicates:
DCOK = 1 asserted
and goes back to the emulator prompt.
That happens regardless of disk image used, etc... I can't effect anything
other than these exhibitions.
Perhaps somewith with access to 4.0-CURRENT, and who has worked with the
code itself could find the time to figured it out? ;)
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In article by S. Akmentins-Teilors:
[Supnik emulator improvements]
> Is anyone else out the hacking it up and interested in sharing
> any work?
> -skots
I'm sure Bob Supnik would appreciate your changes.
Cheers,
Warren
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Hi -
> From: staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors)
>
> The same similar tweak on Supnik has me to within seconds on the hour. They're
> all gonna start losing it under load anyways, but that's life when running
> an emulator under non-RT ;)
Actually my problem with the Supnik emulator is that the clock runs
_very_ fast - the "PDP11" ends up being hours ahead of the real time
after recompiling a kernel or two.
p11 on the other hand tends to run slow - tweeking the device.c value
was aimed at speeding up the clock.
>Actually,I had resolved issue of linking and the prepended underscores before.
With a change to 'geni.c' or by editing the instab.s file?
> For example, run with -b from the command line, it returns the shell prompt
> almost immediately. Otherwise, when booting it simply indicates:
> DCOK = 1 asserted
Yep - that's what I was seeing until I regenerated the instab.s file
by running 'geni'. The emulator would compile and link with a
manually edited instab.s file but simply would not run correctly.
Since the same RP06 image worked with the Supnik emulator I knew it
wasn't in the 2.11BSD area.
Steven
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> > So far, I've replaced the KL11 code with a DL11 driver that
> > handles four lines. Additionally, I stole the networked
> > tty_net driver from the begemot which now provides telnet
> > access to all four ports. Additionally, I'm working on a
> > DZ-11 driver as-we-speak, and will do the DEQNA next.
> > These four ports work great on the RSTS/E and 2.11 images
> > I have.
>
> Really! So far I have had no luck getting Supnik 2.3 to work with the
> elfje rl02 images on the PUPS archive. I've always had to use the
> significantly-hacked-up 2.2 emulator instead. What did you change
> and/or what disk images are you using?
I've changed nothing at all really as far as 2.11 goes. Worked just
dandy even before my hacking.
> I would love to find an arrangement that makes it possible to run an
> emulated 2.11bsd system with large-capacity RP06 images.. that would
> allow one to have around a quarter-gig of disk space. :)
The complexities of begemot, and the relative ease of use of Supnik
was the driving force behind my sticking it out with Supnik. I figured
I'd make it do what I want, since I could make it work in the first place.
Since I'm into the actual hardware emulation, as well as device drivers,
it is fulfilling my need here until I ever get a real PDP-11 again.
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Hi folks.
Having had absolutely no luck getting the Begemot emulator
to work under FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT, I've been modifying the
Supnik 2.3d emulator for the pdp-11.
So far, I've replaced the KL11 code with a DL11 driver that
handles four lines. Additionally, I stole the networked
tty_net driver from the begemot which now provides telnet
access to all four ports. Additionally, I'm working on a
DZ-11 driver as-we-speak, and will do the DEQNA next.
These four ports work great on the RSTS/E and 2.11 images
I have.
As well, I've tweaked the clock timing to significantly
improve timekeeping for my machine.
Also, I have been modifying an ANSI magtape util package
(ansir/ansiw/survey) to deal with the mt images that the
supnik package produces. Makes for easy exchange into
RSTS, etc.
Is anyone else out the hacking it up and interested in sharing
any work?
And if anyone has managed to get the Begemot emulator
working on recent FreeBSD-4.0-CURRENT versions, I'd be
grateful if you could share the information and changes with me.
Thanks and regards,
-skots
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>
> So far, I've replaced the KL11 code with a DL11 driver that
> handles four lines. Additionally, I stole the networked
> tty_net driver from the begemot which now provides telnet
> access to all four ports. Additionally, I'm working on a
> DZ-11 driver as-we-speak, and will do the DEQNA next.
> These four ports work great on the RSTS/E and 2.11 images
> I have.
Really! So far I have had no luck getting Supnik 2.3 to work with the
elfje rl02 images on the PUPS archive. I've always had to use the
significantly-hacked-up 2.2 emulator instead. What did you change
and/or what disk images are you using?
I would love to find an arrangement that makes it possible to run an
emulated 2.11bsd system with large-capacity RP06 images.. that would
allow one to have around a quarter-gig of disk space. :)
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Scott -
Howdy!
> From: staylor(a)mrynet.com (S. Akmentins-Teilors)
> Having had absolutely no luck getting the Begemot emulator
> to work under FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT, I've been modifying the
Hmmm, the Begemot emulator is difficult to set up due to an
inscrutable configfile format but it runs here under BSD/OS 4.0.1
after making a couple 'tweeks'.
I wonder if the problems you're having are due to FreeBSD switching
to ELF. At one time BSD/OS used a.out also and "P11" built/ran
just fine - the the OS switched to ELF and P11 would no longer build.
I had thought simply editing the instab.s would be enough but after
doing that P11 wouldn't run right at all.
What I did was add a "-u" option to 'geni' and then regenerate the
instab.s file ("geni -u ...") _without_ the underscore characters
present. The compiler no longer generates leading '_' characters so
having them in the instab.s file causes problems. Regenerating
and assembling instab.s cleared up all the problems I was having.
Below are the changes I've made to P11 - some are specific to getting
the various IOprogs to run under BSD/OS but the changes to geni.c
are OS independent.
THe other change I had to make was to 'devices.c' to speed up the
clock - it's still not right for a PPro-200 but is better than it
was (the clock was running far too slow, now it's just ~10% too slow).
> And if anyone has managed to get the Begemot emulator
> working on recent FreeBSD-4.0-CURRENT versions, I'd be
Not FreeBSD but if you're getting bit by the same thing I did earlier
under another BSD that switched from a.out to ELF the changes below
may be useful to you.
Steven Schultz
sms(a)moe.2bsd.com
*** ./Utils/geni.c.old Sat Oct 11 14:01:39 1997
--- ./Utils/geni.c Thu Aug 19 21:07:56 1999
***************
*** 49,54 ****
--- 49,55 ----
int code; /* current instruction code */
int ccc; /* current microinstruction count */
int coo = -1; /* what output to generate */
+ int no_ul = 0; /* Don't generate leading _ */
int profiler_output;
char *ul; /* the undeline character, if needed */
char *ofile; /* output file name */
***************
*** 123,131 ****
int opt;
set_argv0(argv[0]);
! while((opt = getopt(argc, argv, "vmpo:")) != EOF)
switch(opt) {
case 'v':
verbose++;
break;
--- 124,135 ----
int opt;
set_argv0(argv[0]);
! while((opt = getopt(argc, argv, "uvmpo:")) != EOF)
switch(opt) {
+ case 'u':
+ no_ul++;
+ break;
case 'v':
verbose++;
break;
***************
*** 275,284 ****
tab_out_i386as()
{
printf("\t.file\t\"%s\"\n", ifile);
! printf("\t.globl\t_instab\n");
printf(".text\n");
printf("\t.align\t2\n");
! printf("_instab:\n");
for(code = 0; code < 0x10000; code++) {
printf("\t.long\t");
for(ccc = 0; ccc < 4; ccc++)
--- 279,288 ----
tab_out_i386as()
{
printf("\t.file\t\"%s\"\n", ifile);
! printf("\t.globl\t%s\n", no_ul ? "instab" : "_instab");
printf(".text\n");
printf("\t.align\t2\n");
! printf("%s:\n", no_ul ? "instab" : "_instab");
for(code = 0; code < 0x10000; code++) {
printf("\t.long\t");
for(ccc = 0; ccc < 4; ccc++)
***************
*** 632,637 ****
--- 636,646 ----
switch(coo) {
case COO_i386as:
+ if (no_ul)
+ {
+ ul = "";
+ break;
+ }
case COO_sun_as:
case COO_i386_aout:
ul = "_";
*** ./IOProgs/epp_bpf.c.old Sat Oct 11 14:02:28 1997
--- ./IOProgs/epp_bpf.c Wed Jun 17 22:16:50 1998
***************
*** 341,347 ****
panic("read(bpf): %s", strerror(errno));
bpf_ptr = bpf_buf;
bpf_end = bpf_buf + ret;
! INFO("read_input: bpf_read = %d.\n", ret);
}
/*
--- 341,347 ----
panic("read(bpf): %s", strerror(errno));
bpf_ptr = bpf_buf;
bpf_end = bpf_buf + ret;
! info("read_input: bpf_read = %d.\n", ret);
}
/*
***************
*** 351,357 ****
bpf_ptr = bpf_ptr + BPF_WORDALIGN(h->bh_hdrlen + h->bh_caplen);
if(h->bh_caplen < h->bh_datalen) {
! INFO("caplen(%lu) < datalen(%lu) ??? - packet dropped.\n", h->bh_caplen, h->bh_datalen);
ret = 0;
} else {
*pbuf = (u_char *)h + h->bh_hdrlen;
--- 351,357 ----
bpf_ptr = bpf_ptr + BPF_WORDALIGN(h->bh_hdrlen + h->bh_caplen);
if(h->bh_caplen < h->bh_datalen) {
! info("caplen(%lu) < datalen(%lu) ??? - packet dropped.\n", h->bh_caplen, h->bh_datalen);
ret = 0;
} else {
*pbuf = (u_char *)h + h->bh_hdrlen;
***************
*** 360,366 ****
*more = bpf_ptr < bpf_end;
! INFO("read_input: %d. (more=%d)\n", ret, *more);
return ret;
}
--- 360,366 ----
*more = bpf_ptr < bpf_end;
! info("read_input: %d. (more=%d)\n", ret, *more);
return ret;
}
*** ./IOProgs/epp_tun.c.old Sat Jan 31 02:52:26 1998
--- ./IOProgs/epp_tun.c Tue Aug 17 19:47:37 1999
***************
*** 13,19 ****
--- 13,21 ----
# include <sys/ioctl.h>
# include <sys/select.h>
# include <net/if.h>
+ #ifndef __bsdi__
# include <net/if_var.h>
+ #endif
# include <net/if_tun.h>
# include "epp.h"
# include "../libutil/util.h"
***************
*** 44,50 ****
argv += optind;
if(argc != 3)
! panic("need one arg");
parse_ether(my_ether, argv[1]);
parse_ether(other_ether, argv[2]);
--- 46,52 ----
argv += optind;
if(argc != 3)
! panic("need two args");
parse_ether(my_ether, argv[1]);
parse_ether(other_ether, argv[2]);
*** ./Config/M-i386-bsdi.old Sun Oct 12 07:10:03 1997
--- ./Config/M-i386-bsdi Wed Jun 17 20:50:19 1998
***************
*** 27,33 ****
* define the cookie for the geni program (look into Utils/geni.c)
* If you want geni output an object file (see later) this cookie
* is used only for the profiler output */
! /* # define MAKE_GENIS */
# define MAKE_GENIE_COOKIE "i386-as"
/* define command to set data limit to K kilobytes, if you need it */
--- 27,33 ----
* define the cookie for the geni program (look into Utils/geni.c)
* If you want geni output an object file (see later) this cookie
* is used only for the profiler output */
! # define MAKE_GENIS
# define MAKE_GENIE_COOKIE "i386-as"
/* define command to set data limit to K kilobytes, if you need it */
***************
*** 43,49 ****
/* if you have the gnu libbfd and liberty you can geni have to output
* object code instead of C or assembler. You must define the following: */
! # define MAKE_HAVE_LIBBFD
/* if you have it, you may have to set up the right paths. */
# define MAKE_CC_BFD_INCL -I/usr/gnu/include
--- 43,49 ----
/* if you have the gnu libbfd and liberty you can geni have to output
* object code instead of C or assembler. You must define the following: */
! /* # define MAKE_HAVE_LIBBFD */
/* if you have it, you may have to set up the right paths. */
# define MAKE_CC_BFD_INCL -I/usr/gnu/include
*** ./device.c.old Sat Oct 11 14:17:24 1997
--- ./device.c Thu Aug 19 23:05:53 1999
***************
*** 7,14 ****
* generic device support
*/
! # define TINTERVAL 20 /* msecs between clock ticks */
!
typedef struct Async Async;
typedef struct Timer Timer;
--- 7,14 ----
* generic device support
*/
! # define TINTERVAL 16 /* msecs between clock ticks */
! /* Should be 16.666666 for US 60hz */
typedef struct Async Async;
typedef struct Timer Timer;
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Hi -
> From: Mirian Crzig Lennox <lennox(a)alcita.com>
> Really! So far I have had no luck getting Supnik 2.3 to work with the
> elfje rl02 images on the PUPS archive. I've always had to use the
Hmm, I've been using Supnik's 2.3 emulator (on and off - I prefer
running the real 11/73 though most of the time) and now that "vi"
works (there was a bug in the "div" instruction which Bob fixed not
all that long ago for 2.3) the emulator's more useful than it was.
> significantly-hacked-up 2.2 emulator instead. What did you change
> and/or what disk images are you using?
You might try using the 2.11 images from the PUPS CD instead. Create
a "tape file" (the instructions are in the 2.11 distribution directory)
and then use a "toggle in" bootstrap for the "mt" device.
The config file I use for this is:
set cpu 22B
set cpu 2048K
set rp0 rp06
set rl0 rl02
set rl1 rl02
set rl2 rl02
set rl3 rl02
set tm0 locked
at rp0 rp0
at rl0 root.rl02
at rl1 usr1.rl02
at rl2 usr2.rl02
at rl3 usr3.rl02
at rk0 junk0.rk05
at rk1 junk1.rk05
at rk2 junk2.rk05
at rk3 junk3.rk05
at rk4 junk4.rk05
at rk5 junk5.rk05
at rk6 junk6.rk05
at rk7 junk7.rk05
at tm0 mt0
at tm1 mt1
# at tm1 /zip/mt0
Place your "2.11 boot tape file" (the 'makesimtape' program which is
also available in the archive and on the CD is used to create Supnik
emulator tape files) in to the file "mt0" and then follow the
instructions in the setup/install documentation on how to boot a tape
if you don't have tape bootroms (it's less than a dozen instructions
you need to toggle in the octal for).
Oh - and since the "RP06" disk is just an image to the host computer
(to the PDP-11 it is a RP06 ;)) the image IS interchangeable between
emulators - I've used the same RP06 image under both (obviously not
at the same time) the Supnik and Begemot emulators. Works fine.
The biggest problem with the Supnik emulator is that the clock runs
far far too fast (at least with a PPro-200 running the emulator) and
after running for an extended period of time the PDP-11 system ends
up several hours in the future.
Steven Schultz
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On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 03:08:53PM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote:
> ! # define TINTERVAL 16 /* msecs between clock ticks */
> ! /* Should be 16.666666 for US 60hz */
That's correct. I believe there are also problems with p11 missing
a couple of timer interrupts. All of the complaints are entirely
appropriate, the whole thing needs major cleanup. I hope one of us
will finally get around doing some serious work on it again, soon.
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I still have the tape and documentation (dated 31/1/81). I think most of the
work was done by Fred Canter, with help from Jerry Brenner and Armando Stettnet
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In article by johnh(a)psych.usyd.edu.au:
>
> I still have the tape and documentation (dated 31/1/81). I think most of the
>work was done by Fred Canter, with help from Jerry Brenner and Armando Stettnet
Yes, I had some email with Fred last year. He was surprised that anybody
still cared :-)
Norman, I thought I updated the archive to say that V7M came out of DEC.
Where did I miss??!
Also, no word yet from Keith Bostic w.r.t the Unix mallet.
Cheers,
Warren
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On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:48:25PM +1000, Peter Chubb wrote:
: >>>>> "Warren" == Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> writes:
:
: Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD,
: Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was:
:
: Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic
:
:
: A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole
: Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their
: heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get
: involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably
: something else or a spoof....
I thought I saw in somebody's signature that Unix was a trademark in
Spain (or somewhere) for something not computer-related. Perhaps that
might be relevant?
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On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 10:15:45AM +1000, Christopher Vance wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:48:25PM +1000, Peter Chubb wrote:
> : >>>>> "Warren" == Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> writes:
> :
> : Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD,
> : Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was:
> :
> : Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic
> :
> :
> : A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole
> : Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their
> : heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get
> : involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably
> : something else or a spoof....
>
> I thought I saw in somebody's signature that Unix was a trademark in
> Spain (or somewhere) for something not computer-related. Perhaps that
> might be relevant?
In Germany UNIX Rent is a car rental company.
Joerg
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On Monday, 9 August 1999 at 10:15:45 +1000, Christopher Vance wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:48:25PM +1000, Peter Chubb wrote:
>>>>>>> "Warren" == Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> writes:
>>
>> Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD,
>> Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was:
>>
>> Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic
>>
>>
>> A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole
>> Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their
>> heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get
>> involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably
>> something else or a spoof....
>
> I thought I saw in somebody's signature that Unix was a trademark in
> Spain (or somewhere) for something not computer-related. Perhaps that
> might be relevant?
No, it was in Austria. I've forgotten what it was a trademark for,
but it wasn't computer-related. In Germany, there was a car hire
company called UNIX Rent. I always wanted to hire a car from them,
but never got round to it.
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On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 09:58:37AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote:
> No, it was in Austria. I've forgotten what it was a trademark for,
> but it wasn't computer-related. In Germany, there was a car hire
> company called UNIX Rent. I always wanted to hire a car from them,
> but never got round to it.
And now there is no reason to rent UNIX if you can have it for freeBSD.
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Whilst we are discussing cryptic comments, can anyone explain the dsw man
page in the 5th and 6th Edition manuals;
BUGS
The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its ety-
mology is amusing.
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In article by Stuart Norris:
>
> Whilst we are discussing cryptic comments, can anyone explain the dsw man
> page in the 5th and 6th Edition manuals;
>
> BUGS
> The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its ety-
> mology is amusing.
Delete using switches, from memory. You toggled in an i-node number on
the front panel, then ran dsw to delete that i-node.
A more authorative answer, I'm sure, can be found from the 1st Ed manuals
on Dennis' homepage: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/1stEdman.html.
Um, just checked, it doesn't say anything about switches.
I will try to dig up a reference to the `switches' story. I have seen it
somewhere.
Cheers,
Warren
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On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Stuart Norris wrote:
> Whilst we are discussing cryptic comments, can anyone explain the dsw man
> page in the 5th and 6th Edition manuals;
>
> BUGS
> The name dsw is a carryover from the ancient past. Its ety-
> mology is amusing.
Formal name: delete from switch register (you put the i-number of the
file in the switch register).
Informal name: Delete Sh*t Work.
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> From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au>
>
> Delete using switches, from memory. You toggled in an i-node number on
> the front panel, then ran dsw to delete that i-node. ...
>
> I will try to dig up a reference to the `switches' story. I have seen it
> somewhere.
This may not be the reference you're looking for, but it definitely
gets into the history of dsw. Slightly reformatted from the Usenet
Oldnews archives at http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/:
| Newsgroups: NET.general
| From: utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!mhtsa!research!dmr
| Date: Wed Aug 12 00:35:06 1981
| Subject: etymology &c
|
| I would advise taking uiucdcs!jerry's account of history and
| motivations with a healthy dose of salt. However, his heart's in
| the right place (unlike some).
|
| A while ago someone asked Ken Thompson what he would do differently
| if he were to do Unix again. The answer: "I would have called it
| create instead of creat." Well, my answer is that I would have
| fixed the stupid dsw manual page. Fortunately, I can atone
| by publishing a correct account (not the real 1970 manual page,
| but an incredible simulation).
|
| Subject: dsw manual page (honest)
|
|
| DSW(1) UNIX Programmer's Manual DSW(1)
|
| NAME
| dsw - delete from switches
|
| SYNOPSIS
| (put number in console switches)
| dsw
| core
|
| DESCRIPTION
| dsw reads the console switches to obtain a number n, prints
| the name of the n-th file in the current directory, and
| exits, leaving a core image file named core. If this core
| file is executed, the file whose name was last printed is
| unlinked (see unlink(2)).
|
| The command is useful for deleting files whose names are
| difficult to type.
|
| SEE ALSO
| rm(1), unlink(2)
|
| BUGS
| This command was written in 2 minutes to delete a particular
| file that managed to get an 0200 bit in its name. It should
| work by printing the name of each file in a specified direc-
| tory and requesting a `y' or `n' answer. Better, it should
| be an option of rm(1).
|
| The name is mnemonic, but likely to cause trouble in the
| future.
|
| Printed 8/11/81 PDP-7 local 1
|
| -------------------------------------------------------------------
|
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|
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| The Usenet Oldnews Archive: Compilation Copyright (C) 1981, 1996
| Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, David Wiseman.
eric
While poking around in the documentation for the PUPS archive, I noticed
that V7M is there, but that Warren's note about it says `I have no other
information about who created these changes.' I believe it was the
Telecommunication Industries Group in Digital, who did the work to make
it easier to sell newer PDP-11 hardware to parts of the Bell System that
used UNIX but didn't want to do their own kernel hacking. (Actually I
suspect they also did it because the work was interesting and fun, and
because there was a somewhat larger community to whom it would be useful;
but the Bell System connection justified it to management.)
The changes that turned V7 into V7M were given away to anyone that had an
appropriate license from AT&T; Digital didn't charge for them, nor was
there any additional license. V7M was used as the base for what was
eventually called Ultrix, Digital's own name-brand UNIX, but that product
didn't appear for several years after.
I believe Bill Munson was the manager in charge of TIG at the time;
certainly he was an early management-level champion of UNIX within Digital.
Armando Stettner was probably the most famous of the other folks in the
group, though by no means the only one.
All this is vague stuff for me, since it happened a little before I got
involved in UNIX, and I never ran V7M. I expect there are others out
there who know more; please chime in!
Norman Wilson
Does anybody here have an idea what this could be?
Greg
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> While looking over userland source, calendar(1)'s calendar.computer
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>
> 08/14 First Unix-based mallet created, 1954
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> Could someone please explain the joke. :)
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In article by Greg Lehey:
> Does anybody here have an idea what this could be?
>
> Greg
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Chris Baird <cjb(a)brushtail.apana.org.au> -----
> > While looking over userland source, calendar(1)'s calendar.computer
> > mentions:
> > 08/14 First Unix-based mallet created, 1954
> > Could someone please explain the joke. :)
I can't find it in V6/V7/2.11, which version of Unix and calendar(1)?
Cheers,
Warren
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On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 01:20:44PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> In article by Greg Lehey:
> > Does anybody here have an idea what this could be?
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > ----- Forwarded message from Chris Baird <cjb(a)brushtail.apana.org.au> -----
> > > While looking over userland source, calendar(1)'s calendar.computer
> > > mentions:
> > > 08/14 First Unix-based mallet created, 1954
> > > Could someone please explain the joke. :)
>
> I can't find it in V6/V7/2.11, which version of Unix and calendar(1)?
At least on FreeBSD it is in /usr/share/calendar/calendar.computer.
Cannot check other versions at the moment.
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In article by Joerg B. Micheel:
> > > > 08/14 First Unix-based mallet created, 1954
> > I can't find it in V6/V7/2.11, which version of Unix and calendar(1)?
> At least on FreeBSD it is in /usr/share/calendar/calendar.computer.
> Cannot check other versions at the moment.
> Joerg
It's also in 4.4-Lite, Iguess we'll have to backtrack to find when it was
added.
Warren
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According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD,
/usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was:
date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic
Mind you, this was obviously the first time it was checked into SCCS.
I'll keep looking. We could ask Keith what he know about it.
Warren
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On Friday, 6 August 1999 at 13:51:30 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote:
> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD,
> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was:
> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic
> Mind you, this was obviously the first time it was checked into SCCS.
> I'll keep looking. We could ask Keith what he knows about it.
Well, the earliest calendar.computer files I can find, apart from the
SCCS record, are:
Distributions/4bsd/43reno.vax/src.tar, calendar.computer dated 1989/11/28
Distributions/4bsd/net2/net2.tar, calendar.computer dated 1989/11/28
Distributions/4bsd/43reno.vax/usr.tar, calendar.computer dated 1990/07/29
[from the PUPS Archive] so the finger of suspicion does point at Keith Bostic.
In article by Greg Lehey:
> Sounds reasonable. You want to [ask Keith]?
Yep, I'll fire off some email now.
Cheers all,
Warren
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>>>>> "Warren" == Warren Toomey <wkt(a)henry.cs.adfa.edu.au> writes:
Warren> According to the SCCS records on Kirk McKusick's 4th CD,
Warren> /usr/src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars/calendar.computer was:
Warren> date and time created 89/11/27 14:10:01 by bostic
A Mallet is an articulated steam locomotive (named after Anatole
Mallet, a Frenchman). 1954 would have been in the midst of their
heydays. Often used for hauling logs. Now, how did UNIX get
involved???? 1954 predates UNIX as we know it, so it's probably
something else or a spoof....
Peter C
Hi all,
I thought I'd better send in a message to the PUPS list just to
shake out the cobwebs, and to welcome on the newest half-dozen subscribers.
I've added some more disk space, memory and a new OS to the PUPS Archive
machine, minnie. About 100 people now have access to the archive, and SCO
has sold 166 Ancient UNIX licenses.
Peter Chubb recently mentioned that Dennis Ritchie has unearthed some old
C compilers (see http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/primevalC.html) I'll
add them into the Archive soon, and perhaps even try to compile them with
the 5th Edition compiler.
As always, if you have any questions etc. about old Unixes, please drop
them into this mailing list.
Cheers,
Warren
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I have complete sys documentation that came with ATT 3b2 400 machine in
early 1980s. Includes all 20+ red 3-ring binders (includes all diskettes),
also sets of ATT videos on SVR3.2. Also some software for the 3b2 such as
20/20 spreadsheet and WordPerfect. Can you think of anyone who would like
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Michael Riggi (518) 473-7649 or 439-3207.
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How do you boot Unix 6 on an Ersatz-11 emulator?
Here is the e11.ini I have:
set cpu 40
mount dm0: ..\rk6.dsk
assign tt1: f2
assign tt2: f3
boot dm0:
The emulator currently displays the copyright, followed by a new line and an "@" symbol. At this point if you type "rkunix" or "unix" it has an exception...
In article by David C. Jenner:
> 1502 SCO Ancient Unix license holders! (Or is it 152?)
Whups, typo :-)
> Wow, that's $150,000 to SCO for supporting the effort.
> That should probably be enough to pay all the lawyers, etc.
> (Even if it's only $15,000.) I hope Warren got a cut, too. :)
No, no cut for me, just happiness that people can use the archive.
We're currently just back up from a campus-wide power failure. I knew
it was coming. Every time minnie get over 100 days uptime, we have a
power failure.
Cheers all,
Warren
All,
Just a message to say that the PUPS mailing list DOES exist :-)
It's just very quiet, so please feel free to wake it up. I should
send in a list of new things in the PUPS Archive.
We now have:
152 people subscribed to the mailing list
100 people with access to the PUPS archive
1502 SCO Ancient Unix license holders.
Finally, John Dodson in Australia (who is not on the list), asked
me to forward this message to you all.
Cheers,
Warren
----- Forwarded message from John Dodson -----
From: John Dodson <johnd(a)physiol.usyd.edu.au>
Subject: Free to a good home...
Free to a good home...
Complete set of RSX11-M manuals. (Yes it ran on a PDP11 ;-)
Complete set of Ultrix manuals. (Oh Ok so it ran on Vaxes ;-)
One or 2 PDP-11/23's + some i/o cards (I'm not making a list, YOU must
look, decide & negotiate with me to let them go...)
A volunteer prepared to make a list would be OK.
Contact:
John Dodson, Dept of Physiology, (F13)
johnd(a)physiol.usyd.edu.au & Faculty of Medicine,
http://www.physiol.usyd.edu.au/johnd University of Sydney,
Phone +61 2 9351 3277 NSW 2006
Fax +61 2 9351 2058 Australia.
Bring a strong friend when you pick it up. You have a week before the docs are
trashed. The machines & cards I'll keep for a while till they find a good home.
Sorry I cannot (will not) deliver.
----- End of forwarded message from John Dodson -----
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Well as the list does live (a bit) let me introduce myself, maybe I can get
out some discussion.
My name is Wim Fournier (for known people and friends (not that I have any)
it's Wimpie).
I'm a student of 19 years old and currently doing Technical Informatics...
That is something like system engineer with much knowledge.
I'm higly interrested in electronics; High Frequency radio; computers;
computer hardware; Old stuf (audio/compu/etc);unix/Linux
I own a PDP11/94 with modem-lines / dr11c / tu80 / etc
I have not got it working yet (hacking!!!)
It's from the dutch telecom company KPN who has used it for semaphone
(beepers and stuff) It came with a 19" rack (all black + heavy) and a switch
box for American plugs.
When I put the box and the PDP on power and switch on the switch and set it to
local on or power on, only the switch goes on... the PDP does not react.. I
have got one suspect: the wire between the switch and the PDP (3-wire in the
back)... it was broken and I re-wire it 1 on 1 but do not know if this is OK.
Further more I haven't got a disk yet. I'm searching for an old apple disk
(scsi-1) as someone told me it should work.
If someone has got an answer to my frustrating problems.. I'm listening.. 8*}
Well... that will be the end of this shout for help plus introduction..
Greetings,
Wim Fournier
Unix Support Netherlands (practice training company for my study)
PS: sorry for the bad English if any.. My keyboard doesn't type English that
good... 8*))
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> Wim Fournier wrote:
> >Well as the list does live (a bit) let me introduce myself, maybe I can get
> >out some discussion.
> >
> >I own a PDP11/94 with modem-lines / dr11c / tu80 / etc
> >When I put the box and the PDP on power and switch on the switch and set it to
> >local on or power on, only the switch goes on... the PDP does not react.. I
> >have got one suspect: the wire between the switch and the PDP (3-wire in the
> >back)... it was broken and I re-wire it 1 on 1 but do not know if this is OK.
>
> Why not try powering up the PDP independantly of the power controller?
> You can make an american socket -> dutch plug lead, or just swap the plug.
> There's also most probably a circuit breaker on the back of the PDP.
> Check that this hasn't tripped (or been damaged in transit!).
That's a good one.. I saw the breaker.. it's holding the floor of the pdp..
But what I'm wordering is what the power consumption is (at 220V) in ampere,
because I will be feeding it from an normal home-socket (line/null/mass) at
+/- 230Volt 10 Ampere.
>
> The H??? power controller is just a box with a big relay for switching
> everything on at once. There came with it two little short ciruit
> plugs for testing (there is a power on line and and power off due to
> overheating line). I you do need a new three wire power controller
> cable, I have a box of hundreds of them, email me and I'm sure I can
> send you one.
Well.. I didn't get the test plugs.. but that's OK.. I'll nuke them myself 8*)
And as of the power controller cables.. How much does it cost to send from
your house (where do you live anyway?) to The Netherlands (I live near Utrecht
(about the center of NL))
>
> >Further more I haven't got a disk yet. I'm searching for an old apple disk
> >(scsi-1) as someone told me it should work.
>
> This depends upon the controller cards installed in the PDP.
>
I'll send you a list tommorow..
> Alan
>
Thanks
Wim Fournier
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1502 SCO Ancient Unix license holders! (Or is it 152?)
Wow, that's $150,000 to SCO for supporting the effort.
That should probably be enough to pay all the lawyers, etc.
(Even if it's only $15,000.) I hope Warren got a cut, too. :)
Dave
Warren Toomey wrote:
>
> All,
> Just a message to say that the PUPS mailing list DOES exist :-)
> It's just very quiet, so please feel free to wake it up. I should
> send in a list of new things in the PUPS Archive.
>
> We now have:
> 152 people subscribed to the mailing list
> 100 people with access to the PUPS archive
> 1502 SCO Ancient Unix license holders.
>
> Finally, John Dodson in Australia (who is not on the list), asked
> me to forward this message to you all.
>
> Cheers,
> Warren
>
> ----- Forwarded message from John Dodson -----
> From: John Dodson <johnd(a)physiol.usyd.edu.au>
> Subject: Free to a good home...
>
> Free to a good home...
>
> Complete set of RSX11-M manuals. (Yes it ran on a PDP11 ;-)
>
> Complete set of Ultrix manuals. (Oh Ok so it ran on Vaxes ;-)
>
> One or 2 PDP-11/23's + some i/o cards (I'm not making a list, YOU must
> look, decide & negotiate with me to let them go...)
> A volunteer prepared to make a list would be OK.
>
> Contact:
>
> John Dodson, Dept of Physiology, (F13)
> johnd(a)physiol.usyd.edu.au & Faculty of Medicine,
> http://www.physiol.usyd.edu.au/johnd University of Sydney,
> Phone +61 2 9351 3277 NSW 2006
> Fax +61 2 9351 2058 Australia.
>
> Bring a strong friend when you pick it up. You have a week before the docs are
> trashed. The machines & cards I'll keep for a while till they find a good home.
> Sorry I cannot (will not) deliver.
> ----- End of forwarded message from John Dodson -----
Hello everyone,
As I'm trying to determine the exact configuration of the VAX 6000 I have just
acquired, I have the following very stupid question: how in the world do you
pull a VAXBI or XMI board out of the backplane? It's definitely nothing like
any UNIBUS or Q-bus stuff I have worked with so far. UNIBUS and Q-bus both use
Mxxxx series modules, but VAXBI and XMI use Txxxx series ones, which look quite
different mechanically. There is a long black bar hanging over each slot,
including empty ones, but no fiddling with it makes the board come out. Could
someone please explain to me how to pull VAXBI and XMI boards out and put them
back in? TIA.
Special Agent Michael Sokolov
Harhan Computer Operation Facility
International Free Computing Task Force
Phone: +1-216-761-3656
ARPA Internet SMTP mail: msokolov(a)harrier.Uznet.NET
> While rummaging I found this. Thought some one might find it useful.
Yes indeedy.... I had a paper copy of that, but it is nice to get an
electronic copy.
> SunOS 4.1.1 700-2719-10 of Sun Oct 14 16:11:25 PDT 1990 from Sun Release Engineering
> ARCH sun3
> VOLUME 1
> Vol File Name Size Type
> 1 0 boot 32768 image
> 1 1 XDRTOC 4096 toc
> 1 2 munix 729600 image
> 1 3 munixfs.tape 1638400 image
Speaking of 4.1.1 bits, I have a 4.1 tape for the early sun4 machines
that has bad spots in the usr file system and beyond on Tape 1 of 2.
Up to that point (the first 6 files) tape 1 is fine, and tape 2 is fine.
Anyone have the usr tarballs and later from a sun4 sunos 4.1 tape 1
that I could use to rewrite my tape? Right now I a using bits from
the 4.1.1 CD, but it would be nice to have the original 4.1 files
so that I could fully rewrite the tape with the correct bits. What I
would like to do is pull the reels out of a good fresh tape, and
put them into the Sun badged cartridge, and rewrite it. My 4/260
box would be much appreciative, for the long haul.
Any suggestions or leads to the mystical files are appreciated.
Is there a tally of how many of us are doing the old vme sun bit?
I run 3 12-slot boxes and 1 3-slot box, with 3/110, 3/160, 3/200,
4/110, 4/260 configurations, depending upon how the boards are swapped
on any given day.
Yeah, I know, it ain't one of our treasured PDP-11 toyz, but it a lot
easier to find in the dustbins here and there.....(:+}}...
Bob Keys
The standard SunOS comand to move the tape is
mt -f /dev/nrst0 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst0 fsf 1
You need to use the non-rewinding device, /dev/nrst0, not /dev/rst0 which
rewinds the tape automatically.
Then you might try either
tar tvfb /dev/nrst0 20b
or dd if=/dev/nrst0 of=dd.out.file bs=20b
Trying to recall what the format of the files on the sun
tape were. Humm.... Wonder if I still have my copy tape script....
Rummage around with find... found it.
It is attached at the end. A pretty stupid script now that I look at it.
But it did the trick to copy tapes from disk dd images. I leave it as
an excersize to write the script to copy the tape to disk. BTW, the tapes
were only 20 Mb in those days.
Hope this helps
RLH
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#! /bin/sh
mt -f /dev/rst8 ret
dd if=/dev/rst8 of=tape1.file0 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 1
dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file1 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 2
dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file2 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 3
dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file3 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 4
dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file4 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 5
dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file5 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 6
dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file6 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 7
dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file7 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 8
dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file8 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 9
dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file9 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 10
dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file10 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 11
dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file11 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 12
dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file12 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 13
dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file13 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 14
dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file14 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
mt -f /dev/nrst8 fsf 15
dd if=/dev/nrst8 of=tape1.file15 bs=126b
mt -f /dev/rst8 rew
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Hope this helps
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SunOS 4.1.1 700-2719-10 of Sun Oct 14 16:11:25 PDT 1990 from Sun Release Engineering
ARCH sun3
VOLUME 1
Vol File Name Size Type
1 0 boot 32768 image
1 1 XDRTOC 4096 toc
1 2 munix 729600 image
1 3 munixfs.tape 1638400 image
1 4 mini-root 7168000 image
1 5 root 74309 tarZ
1 6 usr 11609002 tarZ
1 7 Kvm 2042991 tarZ
1 8 Install 375409 tarZ
1 9 Networking 368239 tarZ
1 10 System_V 1624303 tarZ
1 11 Sys 1824146 tarZ
1 12 SunView_Users 978709 tarZ
1 13 SunView_Demo 196393 tarZ
1 14 Text 286755 tarZ
1 15 Demo 2132420 tarZ
1 16 OpenWindows_Users 10627838 tarZ
1 17 OpenWindows_Demo 2235385 tarZ
1 18 OpenWindows_Fonts 7180441 tarZ
1 19 User_Diag 1362467 tarZ
1 20 Manual 2653437 tarZ
1 21 TLI 18976 tarZ
1 22 RFS 338005 tarZ
1 23 Debugging 1141193 tarZ
1 24 SunView_Programmers 696087 tarZ
1 25 Shlib_Custom 748155 tarZ
1 26 Graphics 1219433 tarZ
1 27 uucp 226513 tarZ
1 28 Copyright 1536 image
2 0 XDRTOC 4096 toc
2 1 XDRTOC 4096 toc
2 2 Games 1558603 tarZ
2 3 Versatec 2383297 tarZ
2 4 Security 203109 tarZ
2 5 OpenWindows_Programmers 3916907 tarZ
2 6 Patch_IPC 139264 tarZ
2 7 Patch_C++_2.0 2953216 tarZ
2 8 Patch_TAAC 20480 tarZ
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I am looking for a Sun2 Mutlibus SCSI board, no cables. Will give it a good
home, pay money (some), or trade for other Sun2 Mutlibus stuff. If you need
Sun2 Mutlibus boards I have some spares. Drop a request.
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Hi there,
I found this one quite interesting reading:
http://computer.org/computer/thompson.htm
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In article by Joerg Micheel:
> Hi there,
>
> I found this one quite interesting reading:
>
> http://computer.org/computer/thompson.htm
>Joerg
Yes, I should link it on the PUPS/TUHS pages.
Thanks Joerg.
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A rescue yesterday yielded several 9-tracks claiming to be Usenix
collections from the late 70's and early 80's. Are there any Usenix
collections online that might be interested in copies? If not, would
this material be appropriate for the PUPS archive, possibly in a trimmed
or edited form?
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In article by Tim Shoppa:
> A rescue yesterday yielded several 9-tracks claiming to be Usenix
> collections from the late 70's and early 80's. Are there any Usenix
> collections online that might be interested in copies? If not, would
> this material be appropriate for the PUPS archive, possibly in a trimmed
> or edited form?
Hi Tim, yes I think those tapes would be excellent material for the
PUPS Archive. We already have some Usenix tapes in the archive:
2616 Applications/Usenix_77/ug091377-ar.tar.gz
10208 Applications/Spencer_Tapes/del.tar.gz
2688 Applications/Spencer_Tapes/tor79.tar.gz
but of course more would be welcome. I'd be happy to take them untrimmed :-)
Thanks!
Warren
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When sorting through old things in the machine room here recently,
Job Bogan came across an early QIC tape of SunOS. The label reads:
Sun UNIX 4.2* Software Release 0.4
(*Berkeley Beta Release)
1/4" Boot Tape 1 of 2 700-0585-01
copyright (c) 1983 Sun Microsystems
Unfortunately, when I attempted to read the tape, all I got was a
tar file of a Fortran program dating from 1989. It didn't get very
far into the tape, though, so parts of the original software may
still be present -- but I don't know how to get past the end-of-tape
mark to get at them. Any ideas?
By the way, the Sun 1 that this tape goes with still exists, elsewhere
on campus, but hasn't been in usable condition in years.
eric
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>When sorting through old things in the machine room here recently,
>Job Bogan came across an early QIC tape of SunOS. The label reads:
>
> Sun UNIX 4.2* Software Release 0.4
> (*Berkeley Beta Release)
> 1/4" Boot Tape 1 of 2 700-0585-01
> copyright (c) 1983 Sun Microsystems
>
>Unfortunately, when I attempted to read the tape, all I got was a
>tar file of a Fortran program dating from 1989.
So presumably someone decided to re-use this tape - and we hope they
didn't reformat the tape first.
> It didn't get very
>far into the tape, though, so parts of the original software may
>still be present -- but I don't know how to get past the end-of-tape
>mark to get at them. Any ideas?
QIC tape formats have physical sectors that the controller (in your
case, most likely the SCSI controller that interfaces the drive to
your SCSI bus) presents to the rest of the system as a series of
logical tape records and tape marks. You can't get past the logical
end-of-tape because the SCSI controller (not host adapter!) "knows"
there's nothing past the logical end-of-tape. If you bypass this
by going straight to the physical sectors, you can read the data
following logical end-of-tape, assuming that the cartridge was
never reformatted. Most SCSI QIC tape controllers will let you
get at the physical sectors, but this is rarely supported by the OS
and isn't always consistent from model to model and manufacturer
to manufacturer.
QIC tape standards are pretty well documented at http://www.qic.org/.
For details on how your SCSI QIC drive can be forced to access
physical sectors, it's best to go straight to the drive manufacturer's
technical manuals.
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I have created 'yet another PDP-11 page', hence forth to be known as YAPP
at :- www.psych.usyd.edu.au/pdp-11
I have covered all the production PDP-11's with a slant to earlier models,
and lots of images.
Enjoy.
I have a set of printed (decent quality) manuals which were
distributed with 32bit machines (HLH Orions) which ran BSD in later
life (I have BSD manuals for them). These ones must be from some
early port of <something>, perhaps 32v or I'm not sure what. They're
dated 1979 and seem to describe some definitely pre-BSD Unix. As you
can probably tell I haven't been through them in detail or I'd have
more info.
I don't really want them as they're 4 folders which don't actually
define any system I have (unless I succeed in finding a free PDP11 of
reasonable physical size in the UK...) and really I have too much
stuff already... But it seems a shame to just throw them out. Is it
worth trying to preserve such things? Could anyone offer them a home.
I can post them in the UK, and abroad if it's not too savagely
expensive.
--tim
I hope someone can put this machine to good use.
I'd pursue it myself but I live in Portland, OR.
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We have a PDP-11/83 system (BA123 worldbox, 2 DHQ11, RD54, TK50, LA120,
LA324) that is looking for a home. It's running MicroRSTS and is working.
We are located in northeast Ohio. Call or email me.
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An interesting article on the early versions of Unix can be found online at:
http://www.daemonnews.org/199903/history.html
The arrtcle, which is an slightly updated version originally published in
Microsystems in 1984, is titled:
A History of UNIX Before Berkeley: UNIX® Evolution, 1975-1984
by Ian F. Darwin and Geoffrey Collyer
Martin Crehan
In article by Robert Harker, 408-295-9432:
> I just joined the pups-digest mailing list which seemed to be PDP-11
> oriented. Is there a different mailing list for the The Unix Heritage
> Society?
>
> And yes, I do have the original SunOS 2.x, 3.x, and 4.x software
> (and maybe 1.x also). As I tell friends, "There is a Sun 100u in the
> Smithsonian, but mine is older"
>
> Thanks in advance
> RLH
Hi Robert, the name is a legacy thing, feel free to talk about old Suns.
If you have the old software, and we can clear things with Sun, then
we could get it added into the archive here.
There was a German web site which had Sun's assent to put some old SunOS
versions up on the web. My email from Robert D. Keys
<rdkeys(a)seedlab1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> says:
Try the http://doener.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/ site, and it is explained
there. The guy actually got Sun to OK it, as far as I know, but
I have no idea of the exact legalese involved, but memory tells
me it was Sun Germany that gave the go-ahead on it.
The site may have moved to http://sun3arc.krupp.net, since I was
thinking a move was in progress a couple of months back.
I think I got to it via a link from www.sunhelp.com or www.sunfreeware.com.
Hope this helps,
Warren
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In article by Jesper Nilsson:
> I'm thinking about getting myself a SCO Source license,
> but I'm worried that I might get "tainted" by this
> since my day job involves writing operating systems...
> My employer would not appreciate getting sued because of
> my hobbies...:-)
As long as you don't reuse tainted Unix source code in your job, you will
be ok. There are so many books covering the Unix kernel: Lions, Bach,
Goodheart, Vahalia etc., that any concerns other than source code reuse
are negligible.
That's my feelings, anyway.
Warren
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On Wednesday, 24 February 1999 at 8:52:15 +1100, Warren Toomey wrote:
> In article by Jesper Nilsson:
>> I'm thinking about getting myself a SCO Source license,
>> but I'm worried that I might get "tainted" by this
>> since my day job involves writing operating systems...
>> My employer would not appreciate getting sued because of
>> my hobbies...:-)
>
> As long as you don't reuse tainted Unix source code in your job, you will
> be ok. There are so many books covering the Unix kernel: Lions, Bach,
> Goodheart, Vahalia etc., that any concerns other than source code reuse
> are negligible.
I think this relates to a spectre raised during the USL/BSDI wars.
Somebody suggested that anybody who had been exposed to AT&T source
code was ``tainted'' and could thus not legally develop competitive
systems. Somewhere I have a button that somebody brought back to me
from a USENIX, with the text ``mentally contaminated''.
Jesper, I don't think you need to worry about the problem. That kind
of restriction would be unenforceable.
Greg
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Ken Wellsch has just uploaded a set of RX50 disk images containing
2.9BSD for the Pro 350 to the PUPS Archive. You can find them in
Distributions/ucb/2.9bsd4pro350-kcwellsc
He says:
I believe the RX50 is actually 80 tracks with 10 sectors per track,
thus yielding 800 blocks per disk. I think the first track is
reserved and thus Venix would not let me at it. Hopefully I have
not also lost additional information here too.
All the 34 disk images he sent in are 790 blocks long. Can anybody
tell us if we will need to recover track 0 to make these images useful?
At the very least, I've managed to find the pcreg.h file out of the
images (cat */*.rx50 | less -B), so I'm getting closer at recompiling
the 2.9/Pro kernel.
Cheers,
Warren
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Tjo!
I have a question that I hope someone can help me with:
I'm thinking about getting myself a SCO Source license,
but I'm worried that I might get "tainted" by this
since my day job involves writing operating systems...
My employer would not appreciate getting sued because of
my hobbies...:-)
Has anyone done research about this aspect of the license?
My goals are twofold, running an older Unix version on my PDP-11's,
and of course I want to peruse the source of the classic versions.
/^JN - Jesper Nilsson
--
I've heard of UNIseX, but I've never had it.
Jesper Nilsson -- jesper(a)df.lth.se
Yeah, I'm interested. Can you write up what changes the linux port entailed???
-Mike
At 07:10 PM 2/20/99 +0100, g4klx(a)g4klx.demon.co.uk wrote:
>Hello All
>
>A couple of weeks ago I hacked the program v7 from the bostic_tools to
>work under all sorts of different Unix versions. It worked great and
>allowed me to snoop around the V7 file system images from native Linux.
>Anyone who wants a copy can send me an e-mail.
>
>Anyway I had a few hours spare today, and decided to try adding the V7
>filesystem to the Linux kernel. Results so far are encouraging:
>
>
>g4klx:/usr/src/linux# ls -l /mnt
>total 333
>drwxrwxrwx 7 root root 224 Sep 22 1988 .
>drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 1024 Feb 14 11:55 ..
>drwxrwxr-x 2 3 3 2512 Sep 22 1988 bin
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 3 3 8986 Jun 8 1979 boot
>drwxrwxr-x 2 3 3 160 Sep 22 1988 dev
>drwxrwxr-x 2 3 3 336 Sep 22 1988 etc
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 daemon daemon 53302 Jun 8 1979 hphtunix
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 daemon daemon 52850 Jun 8 1979 hptmunix
>drwxrwxr-x 2 3 3 192 Sep 22 1988 lib
>drwxrwxr-x 2 root lp 96 Sep 22 1988 mdec
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root daemon 50990 Jun 8 1979 rkunix
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 root daemon 51982 Jun 8 1979 rl2unix
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 daemon daemon 51790 Jun 8 1979 rphtunix
>-rwxr-xr-x 1 daemon daemon 51274 Jun 8 1979 rptmunix
>g4klx:/usr/src/linux# df
>Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on
>/dev/hda1 3031184 1920771 953665 67% /
>/dev/loop0 1919 1877 42 98% /mnt
>g4klx:/usr/src/linux#
>
>
>I am using the loop block device to allow me to mount a file as a block
>device, this saves me having to add a new partition to my disc. There
>should be no reason why it won't work with a true disc partition. The V7
>filesystem under Linux is read/write.
>
>Anyone interested ?
>
>Jonathan
>
>
>
>
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In article by Jonathan Naylor:
> Hello All
>
> A couple of weeks ago I hacked the program v7 from the bostic_tools to
> work under all sorts of different Unix versions. It worked great and
> allowed me to snoop around the V7 file system images from native Linux.
> Anyone who wants a copy can send me an e-mail.
>
> Anyway I had a few hours spare today, and decided to try adding the V7
> filesystem to the Linux kernel. Results so far are encouraging:
> I am using the loop block device to allow me to mount a file as a block
> device, this saves me having to add a new partition to my disc. There
> should be no reason why it won't work with a true disc partition. The V7
> filesystem under Linux is read/write.
>
> Anyone interested ?
I'd be happy to add any changes etc. into the Tools directory in the PUPS
Archive.
It's about time Unix could read the Unix filesystem again :-)
Ciao,
Warren
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Hello Mike and the list
On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, Mike Allison wrote:
> Yeah, I'm interested. Can you write up what changes the linux port entailed???
>
> -Mike
I assume you mean the standalone V7 FS program rather than the kernel V7
FS support ?
The code was written in old C, and from a modern C programmers point of
view, rather sloppily. The warnings from the compiler were terrible, so I
added function prototypes, and made the code more ANSI C like. Then I got
rid of a few bugs, in one place I remember a character pointer being
assigned to a character.
I then typedef'd the data types so I could use int8, int16 and int32 in
the code to make it more portable. I stopped using structure overlays onto
the raw data as that is messy and is not good for (a) byte ordering and
(b) structure packing. It also allowed me to stop using the original V7
file headers which would have made a public release of the code
problematic.
The data is extracted from the raw block data by using special
architecturally neutral functions into locally held structures. That is a
particular win with the block number in three bytes trick that is used in
the inode.
It has been tested on i386/Linux with both glibc 1.0 and glibc 2.0 and
Alpha/Linux, no changes were needed.
Then I added a few new commands to let me look at the superblock and
bootblocks and a few other bits.
Then I released it.
I have just sent a copy of the program to Warren for inclusion in the PUPS
tools section. Its not very big.
Work is progressing on the V7 filesystem in the Linux kernel. Anyone who
wants the patches for that should send me an e-mail. I hope to get it into
the mainstream kernel in the Linux 2.3 series.
Jonathan
Hello All
A couple of weeks ago I hacked the program v7 from the bostic_tools to
work under all sorts of different Unix versions. It worked great and
allowed me to snoop around the V7 file system images from native Linux.
Anyone who wants a copy can send me an e-mail.
Anyway I had a few hours spare today, and decided to try adding the V7
filesystem to the Linux kernel. Results so far are encouraging:
g4klx:/usr/src/linux# ls -l /mnt
total 333
drwxrwxrwx 7 root root 224 Sep 22 1988 .
drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 1024 Feb 14 11:55 ..
drwxrwxr-x 2 3 3 2512 Sep 22 1988 bin
-rwxr-xr-x 1 3 3 8986 Jun 8 1979 boot
drwxrwxr-x 2 3 3 160 Sep 22 1988 dev
drwxrwxr-x 2 3 3 336 Sep 22 1988 etc
-rwxr-xr-x 1 daemon daemon 53302 Jun 8 1979 hphtunix
-rwxr-xr-x 1 daemon daemon 52850 Jun 8 1979 hptmunix
drwxrwxr-x 2 3 3 192 Sep 22 1988 lib
drwxrwxr-x 2 root lp 96 Sep 22 1988 mdec
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root daemon 50990 Jun 8 1979 rkunix
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root daemon 51982 Jun 8 1979 rl2unix
-rwxr-xr-x 1 daemon daemon 51790 Jun 8 1979 rphtunix
-rwxr-xr-x 1 daemon daemon 51274 Jun 8 1979 rptmunix
g4klx:/usr/src/linux# df
Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on
/dev/hda1 3031184 1920771 953665 67% /
/dev/loop0 1919 1877 42 98% /mnt
g4klx:/usr/src/linux#
I am using the loop block device to allow me to mount a file as a block
device, this saves me having to add a new partition to my disc. There
should be no reason why it won't work with a true disc partition. The V7
filesystem under Linux is read/write.
Anyone interested ?
Jonathan
