I've just obtained a box of tapes, some of which might be of interest here.
- UNIX/32V V1.0 (w/ typed Bell Labs label): one 2400' 800bpi tape
- Ultrix-32M V1.1 distribution: one 2400' dump tape
- Ultrix-32 & 32M V1.1 Sources: two 2400' 1600bpi tar tapes (2 copies each)
- BSD4.1 distribution: one 2400' 1600bpi tape
- UNIX V5 (handwritten label dated Feb 7 1977): one 2400' tape
- one 400' tape with missing identification label but a typed Bell
Labs notice
- backup of 2 RKs: V6 UNIX master and V6 UNIX additional source:
one 400' 800bpi tape
- C Release 29/9/80 (handwritten): one 2400' tape
- several backup tapes from a V7 system
- several other tapes that appear to be other UNIX system backups
I don't have a 9-track drive, so I can't say that these will be readable (or
even that they haven't been bulk-erased), but I do believe that they have at
least been stored well so far. If any of these look like they could contain
things currently missing from the archives, then I do of course want to make
them available to someone who can try to read them.
--
Kevin Schoedel
schoedel(a)kw.igs.net
Hi,
I'm currently working on an implementation of the Unix 6th Edition's
filesystem for Linux. I think earlier Unix filesystems should be very
similar to it. I would like to implement them, too, but I don't have
exact descriptions of them (for the 6th Edition I've the Lions Book;
there is not much about the actual filesystem architecture in it, but
it should be enough - together with the code ;-).
Please send me descriptions, specifications and everything else
you've about the early Unix filesystems. Also filesystem images are
very welcome as I can use them to test my implementation.
My e-mail account can only handle attachments <3000KB. Please
compress or split the files if they are bigger than 3000KB.
Thank you
Sven
>exact descriptions of them (for the 6th Edition I've the Lions Book;
>there is not much about the actual filesystem architecture in it, but
>it should be enough - together with the code ;-).
You might want to run V6 or V5 on a simulator. For one you can "see"
the filesystem and you can read the man pages, especially fs(5).
Wolfgang
> From: Mike Haertel <mike(a)ducky.net>
> To: tuhs(a)tuhs.org
> Subject: Re: [TUHS] Some tapes
> Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 01:13:55 -0700 (PDT)
>
> I'd also like to point out that the 4.1BSD distribution tape would
> be a nice addition to the TUHS archive. Right now 4.0, 4.1, and
> 4.1[abc] distributions are still missing.
These are available from Kirk McKusick on his 4-CD collection, no?
It'd be good to have them in w/the other stuff all in one place, but
it's not like they aren't available...
Arnold
I'd also like to point out that the 4.1BSD distribution tape would
be a nice addition to the TUHS archive. Right now 4.0, 4.1, and
4.1[abc] distributions are still missing.
Hi,
rsync doesn't seem to work anymore for some time, now, any idea ?
$ rsync -avz --password-file=.passwd au2496@minnie.tuhs.org::UA_Root .
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes read so far)
rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(151)
same results w/ rsync -avz minnie.tuhs.org::UA_Root .
Cyrille.
--
Cyrille Lefevre mailto:cyrille.lefevre@laposte.net
In article by Dave Horsfall
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Wolfgang Helbig wrote
>
> > I tried the latest simulator from Bob Supnik, Simh V2.9-6.
> > It simulates DZ11 multiline controllers. Are they supported in UNIX V6.
>
> Not natively, no. Back at Uni of NSW, we did several drivers, getting
> better each time, but I think the sources are lost to antiquity (unless
> someone happens to have those old tapes).
Would AUSAM have any DZ11 drivers? There are several AUSAM tapes in
the Unix Archive, and AUSAM was a deriative of V6.
How about
PDP-11/Distributions/unsw/1/record0.gz dz.c 12999 1978 01 24
PDP-11/Distributions/unsw/4/record0.gz dz.c 13416 1979 08 01
PDP-11/Distributions/unsw/6/record0.gz dz.c 6532 1979 10 30
PDP-11/Distributions/unsw/81/record0.gz dz.c 4761 1979 12 20
PDP-11/Distributions/unsw/83/record0.gz dz.c 4761 1979 08 22
PDP-11/Distributions/unsw/92/92.gz dz.c 7457 1981 09 16
Cheers all,
Warren
> I guess the closest would be the DH-11
The DZ and DH are totally different beasts. The DZ had a 256 word input silo
and interrupt per output character, while the DH was DMA.
There is certainly support for DZ's in V7. It shouldn't be too hard to back port
it to V6
Hi
I tried the latest simulator from Bob Supnik, Simh V2.9-6.
It simulates DZ11 multiline controllers. Are they supported in UNIX V6.
If not, which of the supported ones are closest to DZ11, so I would write
a driver for them.
TIA
Wolfgang
Since I'm no longer employed, I don't have access to any Unix or Windows
boxes to run a PDP/11 emulator. I do have my home computer: a G4 Mac
running MacOS 9.1. Are there any precompiled PDP/11 emulator binaries out
there? I've found a nice PDP/8 emulator, but so far the PDP/11 has eluded
me. I'd like to be able to boot up PDP/11 Unix when the nostalgia urge hits
me.
Oh, BTW, if you know of any jobs in the New York City (NY, NY USA) area for
a 20-year veteran system administrator, I'd love to hear from you!
--
Frank
"They haven't got Brains, any of them, only grey fluff that's blown into
their heads by mistake, and they don't Think."
* Eeyore, "The House at Pooh Corner"
If you want to play with Harti's p11
running 2.11BSD, you can telnet to
madison.onespeeddave.com on any of
ports 10001 through 10006.
I'll give you an account if you
want one. Just tell me what
userid and initial password you
want. Also tell me what you'll do
with your account.
This flavor of the emulator is
running without a tape drive and
a network interface card.
FWIF, madison is a 96MB P2-333 running NetBSD.
Paul,
> Bleh, sorry for the blank post... notes went schitzo....
*smile*
> If MS can release WinCE source, then they would probably do
> the same for XENIX.... both PDP/11 and the x86 version perhaps...
> Its not like we want the source... just a tape image would do me :)
> Perhaps there is someone in MS who knows of XENIX's existance and
> can help.... I'll have a word with a friend of mine who works
> there :)
Yeah, I agree. I personally think MS would release Xenix, as it no
longer has any commercial value whatsoever to them. The hardest part
might be finding people within who know about it, and who can point
us in the right (legalese) direction. Once MS signs off on it, the
people at SC(O)aldera won't have a problem with releasing the tapes.
Cheers,
Fred
InterNetworking en Network Security Consultant
MicroWalt Corporation (Netherlands), Korte Heul 95, 1403 ND BUSSUM
Phone +31 (35) 6980059 FAX +31 (35) 6980215 http://WWW.MicroWalt.NL/
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geadresseerde. Openbaarmaking, vermenigvuldiging, verspreiding aan
derden is niet toegestaan. Er wordt geen verantwoordelijkheid
genomen voor de juiste en volledige overbrenging van de inhoud van
dit bericht, noch voor de tijdige ontvangst ervan.
Hi all,
This is a general announcement :)
I have been working on getting to know the format used by the Ultrix-32
"setld" tapes for system (boot) tapes, and I am happy to announce that I
can now create bootable TK50 tapes from any valid Ultrix-32 CD-ROM dist
kit.
Once I get my stuff here sorted out (I am in the midst of redoing all my
computer stuff...) I will post the HOWTO (in PDF format, no less !) and
associated files on my web server.
I was able to successfully install Ultrix-32/VAX V4.5 on a MicroVAX 3300
with TK50 tape and no errors.
Next project is to get the V4.4 or V4.5 source to add CPU support for the
4000 series, and, eventually, add DSSI support for the SHAC chipset.
Anyone have pointers to source kits newer than V4.2 ?
Cheers,
Fred
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genomen voor de juiste en volledige overbrenging van de inhoud van
dit bericht, noch voor de tijdige ontvangst ervan.
Bleh, sorry for the blank post... notes went schitzo....
If MS can release WinCE source, then they would probably do the same for
XENIX.... both PDP/11 and the x86 version perhaps...
Its not like we want the source... just a tape image would do me :)
Perhaps there is someone in MS who knows of XENIX's existance and can
help.... I'll have a word with a friend of mine who works there :)
Regards,
Paul.
Frank Wortner <frank(a)wortner.com>
Sent by: pups-admin(a)minnie.tuhs.org
04/03/2002 04:31
To: <asmodai(a)unixware.org.uk>, <pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org>
cc:
Subject: Re: [pups] Interesting PDP/Xenix History
on 4/2/02 5:38 PM, asmodai(a)unixware.org.uk at asmodai(a)unixware.org.uk
wrote:
I wrote to SCO/Caldera a while back about this one... Here's a quote
from the mail I got in reply:
"XENIX will never be released under any license, as it is too full of
Microsoft copyrights...?
Well, there?s always the possibility that Microsoft could see fit to make
a ?hobby? PDP/11 XENIX license available. Why not?
--
Frank
"Don't Blame Me."
* Eeyore, "Winnie the Pooh"
Frank Wortner <frank(a)wortner.com>
Sent by: pups-admin(a)minnie.tuhs.org
04/03/2002 04:31
To: <asmodai(a)unixware.org.uk>, <pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org>
cc:
Subject: Re: [pups] Interesting PDP/Xenix History
on 4/2/02 5:38 PM, asmodai(a)unixware.org.uk at asmodai(a)unixware.org.uk
wrote:
I wrote to SCO/Caldera a while back about this one... Here's a quote
from the mail I got in reply:
"XENIX will never be released under any license, as it is too full of
Microsoft copyrights...?
Well, there?s always the possibility that Microsoft could see fit to make
a ?hobby? PDP/11 XENIX license available. Why not?
--
Frank
"Don't Blame Me."
* Eeyore, "Winnie the Pooh"
I wrote to SCO/Caldera a while back about this one... Here's a quote
from the mail I got in reply:
"XENIX will never be released under any license, as it is too full of
Microsoft copyrights, and "sanitizing" the source to remove such code
would render the product useless, and would be a MASSIVE undertaking."
Looks like we wont get Xenix in source format unless Microsoft want us to
have it.
Regards,
Paul.
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that
cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go
wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or
repair" - Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
Robert Tillyard <rob(a)vetsystems.com>
Sent by: pups-admin(a)minnie.tuhs.org
03/25/2002 10:38
To: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org
cc:
Subject: Re: [pups] Interesting PDP/Xenix History
Frank Wortner wrote:
>
> on 3/23/02 11:26 PM, Warren Toomey at wkt(a)minnie.tuhs.org wrote:
>
> > In article by Martin Crehan:
> >> From a thread on Slashdot about Microsoft's Ancient History w/Unix
> >> http://slashdot.org/articles/02/03/23/1422243.shtml?tid=130
> >>
> >> First Unix/Xenix (Score:1)
> >> by presearch on Saturday March 23, @01:58PM (#3213453)
> >> (User #214913 Info)
> >
> > I've left a comment in the thread asking if they would
> > donate a copy of the tape's contents to our Archive.
>
> I also remember running PDP/11 Xenix. The article is basically correct,
> although Microsoft (or HCR) did add a working paging system that enabled
> simulation of split I&D on small PDP/11s like the 11/23, 11/34, and
11/40.
> I also remember that my copy of the installation document had been
printed
> by Microsoft's PDP/10 (referred to as the "Microsoft Heating Plant" :-)
in
> the printout). I wish I still had the tape and that printout. Sigh
...
>
> --
> Frank
Would SCO->Caldera have copies of this? SCO did the Intel port of Xenix
so they would probably have started with the PDP source. Would tapes be
copyright to Microsoft?
I doubt that they would release the source for the Intel version as it
is still in use today although I don't think that SCO/Caldera will sell
it anymore.
Rob.
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HI!
After a week or so of trying, I finally got 2.11BSD to recognize a KFQSA
in a PDP-11/73. The problem seems to be that 2.11BSD sets an MSCP packet
length of 64 bytes, but the KFQSA must have this field set to 60 bytes.
There is some confusion about if the header is part of the packet or
not. For the KFQSA, it is not included in the length. After that, life
is good........
Unfortunately I trashed my 2.11BSD installation in the process. :-( I
did a backup I think.....
Anyway, KFQSA modules are not that expensive and RF drives are pretty
cheap, so it is another solution to the lack of disk drives for QBus
PDPs. As long as you have a VAX for configuration. A 390MB RF71 is a
useful size for 2.11BSD.
After I get things put back together, I will send off a patch to sms for
the next release.... :-)
-chuck
on 3/23/02 11:26 PM, Warren Toomey at wkt(a)minnie.tuhs.org wrote:
> In article by Martin Crehan:
>> From a thread on Slashdot about Microsoft's Ancient History w/Unix
>> http://slashdot.org/articles/02/03/23/1422243.shtml?tid=130
>>
>> First Unix/Xenix (Score:1)
>> by presearch on Saturday March 23, @01:58PM (#3213453)
>> (User #214913 Info)
>
> I've left a comment in the thread asking if they would
> donate a copy of the tape's contents to our Archive.
I also remember running PDP/11 Xenix. The article is basically correct,
although Microsoft (or HCR) did add a working paging system that enabled
simulation of split I&D on small PDP/11s like the 11/23, 11/34, and 11/40.
I also remember that my copy of the installation document had been printed
by Microsoft's PDP/10 (referred to as the "Microsoft Heating Plant" :-) in
the printout). I wish I still had the tape and that printout. Sigh ...
--
Frank
"I don't hold with all this washing. This modern Behind-the-ears nonsense."
* Eeyore, "Winnie the Pooh"
Hello,
I'm writing a new networking protocol into the Linux kernel. I have to find the place in which the multiplexing of the incoming packets are done and sent to the initial handling functions of the appropriate protocols, according to the protocol types (x25,ax25,ip,appletalk,etc...). I think net_rx_action function does this. (version 2.4.8). W
Why does it searches two lists, why 2 lists (ptype_all-ptype_base)?
Second, what is the mission of dev_add_pack dev_remove pack functions in net/core/dev.h. I've heard they deal with protocols. But I am not sure.
Anyone interested in or know any person who knows about???
Arda...
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From a thread on Slashdot about Microsoft's Ancient History w/Unix
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/03/23/1422243.shtml?tid=130
First Unix/Xenix (Score:1)
by presearch on Saturday March 23, @01:58PM (#3213453)
(User #214913 Info)
In 1979 all that existed of Xenix was a silver brochure from Microsoft
but there was no distribution. I wanted it to run it/sell it, seeing that
you could do the timesharing thing just like back at college, except
without a giant machine behind glass. I contacted the then tiny
Microsoft, asked, begged, pleaded but they had nothing to sell.
After multiple inquiries, they finally told me that they didn't have
Xenix yet, but they expected it to arrive shortly. Arrive? From where?
I was told, from Human Computing Resources (HCR) in Toronto.
Ahh, interesting. So I called HCR somehow got them to commit
to an early delivery. After a few weeks, and several dollars, the
day came. MS wanted a PDP-11 and 68000 version and was
only after the PDP-11 distro, I was 1 week ahead in the queue
from Microsoft. So, as I was told from HCR, I had the first Xenix
distribution in the US, ahead of Microsoft. I ran it on a LSI-11/23
with insanely expensive 256Kb of memory and a giant 20Mb
drive from Charles River Data Systems. It also had 2 eight inch
floppies (errrtt, clunk, clunk, errrrttt), and 2 four port serial cards
that each ran a VT100. The distro came on a 9-track tape (which
I still have) and the take drive was this weird, front loading thing
where you loaded the tape in the front like a big floppy and it
auto threaded the tape (sometimes). As I remember, it seemed
pretty fast, I'd start up stuff on all of the terminals, just to do it.
Of course, it wasn't that fast but at the time....
The Unix itself was a more or less pure Unix v7. The only thing,
as I remember that made is Xenix, was the boot message and
the captions on the man pages. There was no vi at that time,
the editor of choice was "ed". It did have a nice /usr/games
and I got a Zork for it from a friend.
We ended up selling a few of the boxes. The company was
called MSD. The only record of such is in a 1981 (Jan?) issue
of Byte with our little ad in the back. And that's the story of the
first commercial Unix sold in the US.
I am trying to get a KFQSA to work with 2.11BSD on a pdp-11. It always
fails with an error in the SA register during the transition between
STEP 3 and STEP 4 of the initialization sequence.
The SA register ends up with the value 101513. The error bit is set and
I think that the rest is an error code. I can't find a reference to
describe these error codes.
An RQDX3 and a CQD-223 in the same machine initialize fine. The KFQSA
initializes in an MVIII using NetBSD 1.5.
I have looked over the initialization code from NetBSD, Ultrix-32,
4.4BSD, Ultrix-11, and 2.11BSD. The values being sent, are all very
similar. One difference is that the VAXen OS use polling during the
init, and the pdp-11 code uses interrupts.
Any suggestions or comments about the MSCP 4 step init and how it works
on the KFQSA?
A pointer to error code reference would be great too.
-chuck
Hi there,
The pdp 11/44 is working with a minimal configuration!
Thanks to Bill Gunshannon and Milo Velmimirovic.
The M7090 CIM is now doing RS 232 and gives me output (i get the console
prompt >>>) the backplane only contains memory and the cpu-cards.
The connector M9202 connects the two planes. I tried to boot the RL11 with
one of my RL02's but i didn't work, i guess this is because i don't have a
UNIBUS terminator. is it possible to make one myself ? i could make a
dual-sided PCB. or is it possible that the backplane itself is terminated
(like small qbus-systems have)?
>> "DRU-11 CA" parallel DMA.
>
>Looks like it's a parallel interface module. Are there two 40-pin BERG
>headers on the board?
yes there are two 40 pin connectors. so it's a interface, i guess i don't
use this...
i guess i might use the Ethernet cards, the SMD-diskcontroller and the
RL11. does anyone have the pinout of the M7792/M7793 Ethernet-controller ?
i also still have no idea what those cards might be:
> Ramtek 508295/508297 (has a 50 pin connector)
> Eikonix 821-015cs (handwritten: 785-283)(has two 50 pin connectors)
if anyone has a spare unibus-controller for ciphertapes (pertec-interface),
please contact me.
-- regards, lothar.
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hi,
i never used rsync, so sorry for my question, but i have some
problems ...
1) i can't find any CD image in the "Mirroring" directory
2) launching
rsync -avuz --exclude 'CD_IMAGE.*' minnie.tuhs.org::UA_Mirroring Mirroring
as explained in http://www.tuhs.org/mirroring.html give me no result ...
no files nor dir. are written and the rsync exit without any kind of
error ...
what's wrong ?
we at freaknet medialab really want to mirror the site and distribute
the 2 CD package :)
tnx all,
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My first unibus-pdp...
I picked up the box this weekend, without any additional equipment or
information.
They also told me is is configured for a 20 mA current loop, but i don't
have a working current loop term. is there a easy way of converting 20mA
current loop to RS-232 ?
I found a posting in classiccmp that says M7090 might be configured for
RS232 or current loop(i don't know if they meant the MUX or the CIM M7090
or both), is there a way to find out without blowing things up ? i do have
a VT420, maybe i can do current loop <-> rs422 ?
i didn't power up the box yet, first i'd like to connect the correct
console and check the configuration. maybe reduce the configuration to
RL11, DEUNA and disk-controller? another problem is the media, i'd like to
install 2.9BSD, but how ? i still hope that one of those unidentified cards
turns out to be a ciphertape-controller (Pertec-interface for my second
cipher F880).
any help, information or link is very welcome.
-- regards, lothar
This is the actual configuration:
<-power supply / frontpanel->
M 7090 - - - - dual height KD11-Z 11/44 console interface module
- - - - - - empty (this is where the optional CIS belongs)
------M 7093------ hex height FP11-F 11/44 floating point module
------M 7094------ hex height KD11-Z 11/44 data path module
------M 7095------ hex height KD11-Z 11/44 control module
------M 7096------ hex height KD11-Z 11/44 multifunction module
------M 7097------ hex height KK11-B 11/44 4-Kword cache module
------M 7098------ hex height KD11-Z 11/44 UNIBUS interface
------M 8743------ hex height MS11-PB 1-Mbyte ECC RAM (-BH)
- - - - - - empty
------M 7486------ hex height UDA52 Controller for SDI disk drives (UDA
SI)
------M 7485------ hex height UDA50-A UNIBUS to radial disk interface
------M 7762------ hex height RL11 RL01/02 disk controller
M 9202 ---M 8729-- dual height M9202 / quad height M8729 no info.
M 9202 - - - - empty (badge says hex SPC slot)
- - - - - - empty
- - - - - - empty
- - - F - - empty, F is a bus grant continuity (single height)
------SC4110------ hex height
------M 7814------ hex height DZ11-C 8-line 20mA data MUX, 50 to
100-Kbaud
------M 7792------ hex height see below
------M 7793------ hex height see below
- - --Ramtek--- quad height no info
- - - - - -
addition to descriptions:
M7485-YA UDA50-A UNIBUS to radial disk interface PR board with blasted
ROMs
M7792 DEUNA port module, UNIBUS to ethernet microprocessor. (1 of 2)
M7793 DEUNA link module, M7792 to ethernet bus line unit. (2 of 2)
i don't have any reliable description for the M8729, i found a with google:
"DRU-11 CA" parallel DMA.
the SC4110 (Emulex) is probably a SMD disk controller, at least the heavy
disk was attached to it.
there are two cards for which i found nothing:
Ramtek 508295/508297 (has a 50 pin connector)
Eikonix 821-015cs (handwritten: 785-283)(has two 50 pin connectors)
while cleaning the box i found three bus grant continuity cards (single
height). it is possible they fell out during transport.
i've read akos varga's unibus basics, but i still can't tell if this is a
valid configuration. i found a badge on top of the box, which says the
M8729 is in a SPC slot and the "second" part of the M9202 is in a hex. SPC
slot.
