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Re: [pups] Unix and PDP11/20 (was PDP9?)

by Carl Lowenstein

> From: Dennis Ritchie <dmr(a)plan9.bell-labs.com> > Subject: [pups] Unix and PDP11/20 (was PDP9?) > Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:08:02 -0400 > > Holden's link, > > http://www.psych.usyd.edu.au/pdp-11/11_20.html > > reinforces my guess that our first -11 probably did > have just "PDP11" on the bezel. The one in my photo > (which has the 20) is doubtless our second -11. > I've looked at this page before, but it slipped my mind. > > Our first -11 was very early, and its disk took several > months to arrive: it had TTY33 and high-speed paper tape > as its only peripherals besides the clock. > > Early on, for fun, we tried assembling the DEC-supplied > assembler, which came on at least one (maybe more) long > fan-folded paper tapes. I don't think we ever succeeded; it had to > be fed in twice for the two passes, and enough characters > were dropped that phase errors occurred. I was there once myself. The problem was fuzzy holes in the DEC-punched fan-fold paper tape. So I toggled in a small utility program "wait, read, wait, punch, loop" to copy from the TTY reader to the high-speed punch. The sensing pins of the TTY had no trouble with the fuzzy holes, and I got paper tapes that worked in the high-speed reader. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenst(a)ucsd.edu

22 years, 10 months

RE: [TUHS] Ultrix...

by Ian King

Distribution can be restricted by agreement - for instance, I can share source code with you under an agreement that you will not disclose it to others, and I can seek redress if you do disclose. That is common with software. But even absent modifying contract, the "fair use" right you mention is not absolute and unfettered. If I write a book and it is published, you cannot decide to print your own copies and distribute them; I have not waived my rights under copyright by publishing. Indeed, the book does NOT "pass into the public domain" until after expiration of my copyright. This is no different from the case where I invent and create a physical object and distribute it, subject to patent rights that I have acquired; although the physical object is (by logical necessity) out in the public, others may not freely copy it and deny me the benefit of my creativity. "Publishing" is "making public," but not "placing into the public domain" - you have correctly stated that "public domain" is a legal concept, but incorrectly defined it. Even distribution for no material gain (e.g. "freeware") is not "public domain." DEC (and others) wrote some interesting licenses; although I might buy a DEC computer from you, complete with its software, I would not be legally entitled to use the software until I had negotiated my own license with DEC (or now, most commonly, Mentec). I've always thought that was a bit greedy, but it is lawful to create a non-transferrable license. Today, once the license fee for a given copy has been paid, that license is usually transferrable to another; I can give (or sell) you a copy of a book I purchased, too. But that does not change the author's rights to the material, nor those of the party in possession; it is simply not true that "placing the work in the hands of the public" means "they may now be freely redistributed". Software does make things more complex; the corpus of law around it is still being established. However, the fundamental principle of a party's right to control of and recompense for his/her/its work product, be it physical or intellectual, still applies. Anyone who denies that, and acts accordingly, is simply a thief, notwithstanding their erudite rationalizations. -- Ian My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -----Original Message----- From: Mirian Crzig Lennox [mailto:mirian@cosmic.com] Sent: Fri 9/6/2002 6:59 AM To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org Cc: Subject: Re: [TUHS] Ultrix... On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:27:39 +0100, Tim Bradshaw <tfb(a)tfeb.org> wrote: >* Mirian Crzig Lennox wrote: > >> In fact, the concept of "intellectual property" is a fairly recent >> perversion, and the consequence has been a steady depletion of the >> public domain. When a piece of software (and Ultrix is an excellent >> example) is tied up in copyright long after it is of any value to >> anyone beyond pure academic interest, nothing is added to anyone's >> wealth, and society as a whole loses. > >I think this is kind of unfair in many cases. Firstly copyright has >lasted for a fairly long time for, well, a fairly long time. It's not >some sinister new development which is keeping ultrix in copyright. Copyright has existed for roughly 300 years[1]. However, the construction of copyright as a form of property is a relatively recent development. The original copyright term in the U.S. was a mere 14 years[2], and copyrights were adjudicated under tort law, not property law. As framed in law and interpreted by U.S courts, the purpose of copyright is foremost the public good (hence the "fair use" doctrine); the act of 'publishing' is, as the etymology of the word suggests, a contribution by the author to the public domain, in return for which he or she is given exclusive right to profit from that work for a limited prior time. However, since 1960 the term of copyright has been extended 11 times, so that no copyrighted work published before 1923 has entered the public domain (nor will it until 2018, save for future extensions of the term). The depletion of the public domain is real. >Secondly, it's all very well to say that old and valueless bits of >software should be freed, but if you are the organisation which has >the copyright on these things it's really less trivial than you might >think to just give them away. For a start, there's (almost by >definition) no money in it, so any kind of work needed is costing >money. Secondly there may be just plain trade-secret stuff in there, >what do you do about that? There may be all sorts of other awful >things that you don't want to let the world see. This is all a totally unrelated issue however. Copyright refers necessarily only to published materials, and published materials cannot (by definition) be trade secrets. Furthermore, "public domain" refers merely to legal status, not to any obligation to make physical materials available. The presumption is that if a work is published, then copies already exist in the hands of the public, and they may now be freely redistributed. --Mirian [1] The Statute of Anne (1710, in England) is considered to be the precursor to U.S. copyright law. [2] It could however be renewed for a single further period of 14 years, provided the initial author was still alive. _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs

22 years, 10 months

RE: [TUHS] Ultrix...

by Ian King

"It is a problem only if you choose to honor copyright laws." I can only hope that others (dis)regard your property rights, as you (dis)regard the property rights of others. BTW, where do you live? I could use a new monitor or two.... -- Ian King, speaking only for himself (the usual disclaimers apply) -----Original Message----- From: Michael Sokolov [mailto:msokolov@ivan.Harhan.ORG] Sent: Wed 8/28/2002 10:48 AM To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org Cc: Subject: Re: [TUHS] Ultrix... Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)update.uu.se> wrote: > I'm trying to figure out a way of getting the MSCP driver from Ultrix > available for porting to NetBSD. I don't support NetBSD, but Ultrix' MSCP/SCA code is available to everyone. > The problem is that it's (c) by Digital, now HP. It is a problem only if you choose to honor copyright laws. Since that is your personal voluntary choice, it is your problem. > Could I be lucky enough that Ultrix actually have been released? > And I'm talking Ultrix-32 here, not Ultrix-11. The International Free Computing Task Force has freed the Ultrix-32 V2.00 and V4.20 sources. They can be found on our FTP site in ivan.Harhan.ORG:/pub/UNIX/thirdparty/Ultrix-32 -- Michael Sokolov 786 E MISSION AVE APT F Programletarian Freedom Fighter ESCONDIDO CA 92025-2154 USA International Free Computing Task Force Phone: +1-760-480-4575 msokolov(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG (ARPA) Let the Source be with you Programletarians of the world, unite! _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs

22 years, 10 months

[pups] bringing up the fist C compiler

by Dennis Ritchie

The chist paper on my home page is pretty complete (if telegraphic) about bootstrapping B on the PDP-7 and later C (via B) on the -11. It does not, indeed, explain TMG. Doug McIlroy did write TMG (on the -7) first in assembly language, then bootstrapped that into itself. Doug had used TMG to write EPL, the early Pl/I compiler for Multics. I don't know whether he needed to create a new implementation of TMG for that or whether it was already running on the IBM 7094. The paper also mentions (as does some of the other history stuff) that Unix itself was written first in assembler on the GE-645 (running GECOS, not Multics at that point), using a macro package that turned symbolic -7 instructions into an object deck that could be rendered onto paper tape. There is not much about TMG on the web that I can find (and some of it is inaccurate). Incidentally, TMG didn't immediately survive the move to the -11. B was already in its own language, and nothing else was using TMG besides itself. Doug did revive it later just for fun, and it is in the 6th edition distribution--you can get it nearby! Both on the -7 and the -11, TMG was implemented as an interpreter for an abstract machine. Dennis

22 years, 10 months

[pups] Unix and PDP11/20 (was PDP9?)

by Dennis Ritchie

Holden's link, http://www.psych.usyd.edu.au/pdp-11/11_20.html reinforces my guess that our first -11 probably did have just "PDP11" on the bezel. The one in my photo (which has the 20) is doubtless our second -11. I've looked at this page before, but it slipped my mind. Our first -11 was very early, and its disk took several months to arrive: it had TTY33 and high-speed paper tape as its only peripherals besides the clock. Early on, for fun, we tried assembling the DEC-supplied assembler, which came on at least one (maybe more) long fan-folded paper tapes. I don't think we ever succeeded; it had to be fed in twice for the two passes, and enough characters were dropped that phase errors occurred. Incidentally, B programs could be run on this first pre-disk -11, using cross-compilation from GECOS. There was a stand-alone predecessor of dc! BTW, apologies for the units slip in the earlier posting. Indeed 128 words of RAM on the 11/10, 4096 words standard on the 11/20 (we splurged with 12K). Also BTW, the young woman on p. 104 of the first manual has a just-so-1969 hairdo! She has her index finger on one of the console switches, is holding a Unibus jumper in the other hand, and the caption is "The PDP-11 provides Direct Device Addressing...." The Unibus address pin assignments that replaced herwere probably more useful, but not so redolent of history. Dennis

22 years, 10 months

RE: [TUHS] Ultrix...

by Ian King

I agree with your premise that copyright can be detrimental to broader interests, and the case of "obsolete but historically interesting" software is a prime case in point. However, copyright holders can choose to make things readily available without placing them in the public domain; the 'Ancient UNIX' license is a great example. If they choose not to do so, the law does allow them recourse. I doubt they would consume the resources to execute on that against individuals who are running old software for non-commercial purposes; I suspect that those who commit such indiscretions wholesale may not be treated with such latitude. And, IMHO, those who baldly advertise their general disdain of copyright law are pretty much asking for it. -- Ian My opinions are my own, and do not necessarily represent my employer's opinions. -----Original Message----- From: Mirian Crzig Lennox [mailto:mirian@cosmic.com] Sent: Thu 9/5/2002 4:56 PM To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org Cc: Subject: Re: [TUHS] Ultrix... On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:15:52 -0700, Ian King <iking(a)microsoft.com> wrote: >"It is a problem only if you choose to honor copyright laws." I can > only hope that others (dis)regard your property rights, as you > (dis)regard the property rights of others. BTW, where do you live? I > could use a new monitor or two.... It is possible to respect property rights and yet disagree (to the point of disobedience) with how the concept has been lately twisted by monied interests in the United States. The purpose of copyright is not to be a form of property; if it were, copyrights would not expire. The purpose of copyright is to enrich the public domain by encouraging authors to publish their works, by ensuring them exclusive right to profit from their work for a limited time after which time *the work passes into the public domain*. This is plainly stated in the U.S. Constitution as the basis for copyright law: "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries." [Article I, section 8]. In fact, the concept of "intellectual property" is a fairly recent perversion, and the consequence has been a steady depletion of the public domain. When a piece of software (and Ultrix is an excellent example) is tied up in copyright long after it is of any value to anyone beyond pure academic interest, nothing is added to anyone's wealth, and society as a whole loses. --Mirian _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs

22 years, 10 months

Re: [pups] Bringing up the fist C compiler

by Al Kossow

<nl> > I guess my MACRO-11 implementation of C isn't good enough. > (Well, it ain't mine, it's the normal DECUS C, but I'm hacked some at it.) <nl><nl> and to bring this full circle, do you know where DECUS C came from? <nl><nl>

22 years, 10 months

Re: [pups] Bringing up the fist C compiler

by Carl Lowenstein

> From: Al Kossow <aek(a)spies.com> > To: pups(a)tuhs.org > Subject: Re: [pups] Bringing up the fist C compiler > Content-ID: <9012_13188_1031248039_2(a)spies.com> > Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:47:19 -0700 > > <nl> > > I guess my MACRO-11 implementation of C isn't good enough. > > (Well, it ain't mine, it's the normal DECUS C, but I'm hacked some at i= > t.) > <nl><nl> > > and to bring this full circle, do you know where DECUS C came from? > <nl><nl> It is my understanding that it was a "clean room" reimplementation of the 6th Edition Unix "cc" and "as". carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenst(a)ucsd.edu

22 years, 10 months

Re: [TUHS] Vax 3300 and Ultrix

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Peter Wrangell <pwrangell(a)bsdmercs.org> wrote: > I am looking for a copy of Ultrix 4.5 preferably on TK70 tapes but any > medium will do. I have a MicroVax 3300 that I would like to breath life > into again. I can't help you with 4.5, but I have the full V4.00 TK50 distribution and it fully supports MV3300 with DSSI. The tape images are on my FTP site in: ivan.Harhan.ORG:/pub/UNIX/thirdparty/Ultrix-32/ult400vaxdist-tk50 On the same site I also have full sources for V2.00 and V4.20. (I have no sources for the version for which I have the dist, and no dists for the versions for which I have the sources... I guess I need to bite the bullet and compile V4.20 myself. Some day maybe.) MS

22 years, 10 months

RE: [pups] Bringing up the fist C compiler

by Ian King

About a thousand years ago, I recall hand-building programs for 8-bit microprocessors (in what we'd call embedded systems today). In many cases, I was the "assembler", writing directly in machine code which was then either keyed in through front-panel switches or burned into a PROM.... -- Ian -----Original Message----- From: Johnny Billquist [mailto:bqt@update.uu.se] Sent: Thu 9/5/2002 5:05 AM To: Tim Bradshaw Cc: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org Subject: Re: [pups] Bringing up the fist C compiler On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Tim Bradshaw wrote: > * Johnny Billquist wrote: > > > How? It was written, of course. In assembler. By that time, you already > > had the assembler, an editor, and other commonly used system programs, so > > it's just a case of the normal development cycle. > > Is this known or is it deduction? [...] Ah. Ok, now I understand what you're asking for. You want to know what the first C was written in, and what that compiler/assembler was written in/on, and so on... No, I'm just deducting. Since the reference posted said that TMG was the first higher level language implemented, it follows that it must have been written in a low level language, namely assembler. Admittedly, the PDP-7 TMG *could* have been written in some high level language on some other machine using some tool that made a PDP-7 executable, so your guess is as good as mine. But even though I cannot account for all steps, I can guarantee that at the end of the chain, you *will* find assembler. I guess my MACRO-11 implementation of C isn't good enough. :-) (Well, it ain't mine, it's the normal DECUS C, but I'm hacked some at it.) Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol _______________________________________________ PUPS mailing list PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups

22 years, 10 months

Vax 3300 and Ultrix

by Peter Wrangell

Greetings, I am looking for a copy of Ultrix 4.5 preferably on TK70 tapes but any medium will do. I have a MicroVax 3300 that I would like to breath life into again. Unfortunately the version in the Archives is too old to be of use and it seems that there is no DSSI support in NetBSD. I would be willing to trade old computer parts in return(I have Old SGI, Dec PDP and and Sun Stuff). Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -Peter pwrangell(a)bsdmercs.org

22 years, 10 months

Re: Re: [pups] Unix and PDP11/20 (was PDP9?)

by John Holden

On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Dennis Ritchie wrote:- > I'm not positive about the logo on our first PDP-11. The picture of Dennis and Ken in front ASR-33's hints at a pdp11/20 logo on the console. The 11/20 I have (built 29/1/71, SN 821) has just plain 'pdp11'. The lead time on getting the machine was about 6 months. I suspect that the /20 was added as other models were in the pipeline (/05,/45). For a picture, see http://www.psych.usyd.edu.au/pdp-11/11_20.html > Incidentally, the machine's handbook was a wonder. Indead it was The front cover is interesting, in that it shows a table top version of the 11/20. It was quite possible to run one just with paper tape and an ASR33 with the reader/punch option. There was a similar option for the pdp8/e. The only obvious change between the first and second edition handbooks was that the latter changed the last page from a picture of a young lady in front of a machine to a table of Unibus pin assignments.

22 years, 10 months

Re: [pups] Unix and PDP11/20 (was PDP9?)

by Carl Lowenstein

> From: Dennis Ritchie <dmr(a)plan9.bell-labs.com> > Subject: [pups] Unix and PDP11/20 (was PDP9?) > Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:21:40 -0400 > > I'm not positive about the logo on our first PDP-11. The text accompanying the picture "Ken and Den" somewhere on your web site says that the logo on your first PDP-11 was just "PDP-11" without the /20. > On the earliest handbook I have, the front panel photo > just shows "PDP11", though inside the handbook > it does talk about the two models (11/10 and 11/20). > Both had the same KA11 processor, but the basic > 11/10 sported 1024Kw ROM memory plus a generous > 128 words of RAM, while the 11-20 had > 4096Kw core RAM, and the ASR33 Teletype was included. > You could add more RAM to the 11/20. I fear that you have suffered a "units slip" saying 1024Kw and 4096Kw when you meant 1Kw and 4Kw respectively. > Incidentally, the machine's handbook was a wonder. > In 104 pages (each 5.25x8 inches), it described the whole > system: not only the instruction set but the theory > of the Unibus (including some logic diagrams) together with > programming specifications for the TTY, the clock, > and the paper tape reader. > > Dennis Agreed, "PDP11 Handbook Second Edition" was a really good book Occasionally I wonder if I ever had my hands on a "First Edition" and threw it away when the second edition came out. Not knowing that both the computer and the handbook would become classics. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenst(a)ucsd.edu

22 years, 10 months

[pups] PDP11/73, RD53, RX50... What are my options?

by Tobias Russell

Hi, I have a micro PDP11/73 equipped with an RD53, RX50 and a Cipher mag tape drive (untested). The machine currently boots into TSX (although I don't have usernames/passwords so no shell access). I'd like to get BSD2.11 onto the machine. What is going to be the best route? I assume that my chances of breaking through TSX security (so I can use kermit) are small, so is vtserver going to be the easiest method? Toby Tobias Russell Managing Director Russell Sharpe Limited The Tannery, Tannery Lane, Bramley, Surrey. GU5 0AJ England Tel: +44 (1483) 894158 Fax: +44 (1483) 898932 Email: toby(a)russellsharpe.com

22 years, 10 months

Re: [pups] PDP11/73, RD53, RX50... What are my options?

by norman＠nose.cs.utoronto.ca

Carl Lowenstein: I suppose the easiest break-in tool would be a floppy disk with a bootable RT11 on it. Or, if your goal is just to drain the machine's brain entirely and start over, which is likely the case if you want to put 2.11 on it: dig up the standalone disk diagnostic (is XXDP easily available somewhere these days?) and reformat the disk. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

22 years, 10 months

Re: [pups] PDP11/73, RD53, RX50... What are my options?

by Carl Lowenstein

> From: "Tobias Russell" <toby(a)russellsharpe.com> > To: "PDP Unix Preservation Society" <pups(a)tuhs.org> > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:38:26 +0100 > > Hi, > > I have a micro PDP11/73 equipped with an RD53, RX50 and a Cipher mag tape > drive (untested). The machine currently boots into TSX (although I don't > have usernames/passwords so no shell access). > > I'd like to get BSD2.11 onto the machine. What is going to be the best > route? I assume that my chances of breaking through TSX security (so I can > use kermit) are small, so is vtserver going to be the easiest method? I haven't done it in many years, but after you get the machine to boot into RT11 you can disable the TSX security stuff. Probably a file named "STARTF.COM" is the initial RT11 startup and it contains the command to chain to TSX. I suppose the easiest break-in tool would be a floppy disk with a bootable RT11 on it. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenst(a)ucsd.edu

22 years, 10 months

RE: [pups] PDP-9?

by Fred N. van Kempen

Unix was _developed_ on the 11/20. The first versions (up to the fourth or fifth edition or so) didn't require an MMU, and, therfore, had no protection whatsoever. Dennis... tell us the "All out?" story.. please.. :) --fred > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Horsfall [mailto:dave@horsfall.org] > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:02 AM > To: PDP Unix Preservation Society > Subject: Re: [pups] PDP-9? > > > On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Lars Buitinck wrote: > > > we all know that UNIX first ran on the PDP-7 and then on > the PDP-11/20, > > Just got back from overseas, but this doesn't seem to have > been addressed: > AFAIK, Unix never ran on the 11/20 (no MM unit); did you mean > a DEC-20? > > -- > Dave Horsfall DTM VK2KFU dave(a)esi.com.au Ph: +61 2 > 9906-3377 Fx: 9906-3468 > (Unix Guru) Pacific ESI, Unit 22, 8 Campbell St, Artarmon, > NSW 2065, Australia > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups >

22 years, 10 months

[pups] Unix and PDP11/20 (was PDP-9?)

by John Holden

Early editions of Unix did run on a PDP11/20, written in assembly language. There was a memory mapping option KS-11 that sat between the processor and Unibus that mapped chunks of memory. It was a DEC special, and only about a dozen were built. See http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/odd.html A hardware story'

22 years, 10 months

Re: [pups] PDP-9?

by Johnny Billquist

On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Lars Buitinck wrote: > > > we all know that UNIX first ran on the PDP-7 and then on the PDP-11/20, > > Just got back from overseas, but this doesn't seem to have been addressed: > AFAIK, Unix never ran on the 11/20 (no MM unit); did you mean a DEC-20? Um? Who said Unix used an MMU in the beginning? No, Unix never ran on a PDP-10. It was PDP-7 and then the PDP-11, and I believe it was a PDP-11/20 at the beginning. Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

22 years, 10 months

Mine's older than yours

by norman＠nose.cs.utoronto.ca

Larry McVoy: In response to old hardware... My first machine was an Okidata CPM machine which had a color (!) monitor and a built in printer. If someone had one of these, I'd like it just for old time's sake... Well, my first computer was a Cardiac. I'm glad to say that I managed to grab one from Classic Computing a few years ago, but I don't think they have any left. If anyone knows of a source, I'd be interested to hear about it; every now and then I mention Cardiac to someone who hasn't heard of it, and they'd like to know where to get one. I still think Cardiac should be a required tool in freshman programming courses. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

22 years, 10 months

Re: TUHS digest, Vol 1 #73 - 1 msg

by Larry McVoy

In response to old hardware... My first machine was an Okidata CPM machine which had a color (!) monitor and a built in printer. If someone had one of these, I'd like it just for old time's sake... -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm

22 years, 10 months

computer inventory for hardcore geeks (fwd)

by Warren Toomey

All, I just received this e-mail. I have no idea who Wendy is, but perhaps the things she has stashed away may be of some interest to you. Warren ----- Forwarded message from Wendy Murphy ----- >From jendywo(a)yahoo.com Sat Aug 31 08:22:00 2002 Message-ID: <20020830222155.14119.qmail(a)web14907.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:21:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Wendy Murphy <jendywo(a)yahoo.com> Subject: computer inventory for hardcore geeks To: clintw(a)colorado.cirrus.com, xds_sigma7(a)hotmail.com, eric(a)brouhaha.com, iking(a)microsoft.com, mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca, emu(a)ecubics.com, dworkin(a)village.org, russell283(a)attbi.com Cc: rob(a)witte-family.net, jjdellea(a)chisp.net, wkt(a)tuhs.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests= version=2.01 Content-Length: 3539 In my quest to get the house clean so I can get out, I decided to inventory the computer stuff. It's like inventory by the technologically blind! I got just so far before I got frustrated and gave up. Pat and Rob took the sillyscope (with the intention of selling it, I believe) and the RT, I think it was called (to keep for my ex-). Dworkin took the PDP-11/73. I asked him for $84 because that's what I need to keep Xcel from shutting off my electricity, but he chose to give me a check for $500, which I have not cashed and won't until he's had the stuff long enough to ascertain that it works and tell me so, or for two weeks, whichever comes first. That leaves: (Note: sizes are eyeballed by someone with a lousy eye) IN THE GARAGE: various cables, keyboards, mouses, plugs, cabinets, broken TVs, VCRs, and a Laser disk player, and miscellaneous hardware a box about 1'x1.5'x2' with a 3.5" and a 5.25" drive, and seven flat buttons with colored lights and symbols, like turtles, rabbits, and lightning bolts. an Alpha Micro 1000E Raster Tech monitor D-SCAN, an 8"x8"x1" board with 17 female cable plugs in three rows labeled "In" "Out" and "CH", six columns labeled "R G B H V C" a 3'x3'x2' dec RXO2 and RLO2 exposure timer & power supply unit Sharp electric typewriter, and another electric typewriter up too high for me to read anything off it. a couple of Apple II+s (Dad wants to keep one as he has some information on a 5.25" floppy formatted for that computer) SCM152 dry copier microfiche reader ? Kennedy model 9300 tape drive AlphaWrite documentation, and several 3-ring binders of documentation I just didn't feel like thumbing through for particulars right now (but can later, if you like) and the infamous 78 2'x2' floor tiles. (Dworkin said he's seen them advertised for $9 apiece, new. They're not quite in new condition, but that gives a ballpark for what they ought to be worth) I didn't check IN THE LOFT, because it's too high for me to reach or see. IN THE FURNACE ROOM: I saw an Amdex 300A video monitor NEC multisync 2A monitor Raster Tech monitor ADDS (?) monitor and at least one other monitor with no words I could identify An okidata printer an ALPS ALQ200 printer an IBM selectric II typewriter a Minolta fax 261 and a "stack" -- y'know, a computer, with two 3.5" and one 5.25" floppy drives and buttons that said "turbo" and "reset", but no brand name I could make out. IN THE CAVE: there remains a Scientific Atlanta receiver IBM monitor IBM 3.5" floppy drive HP LaserJet printer Smith-Corona electric typewriter Data south DS 150 printer Microscience International Corporation thing that says it has 7 heads and 855 cylinders, but won't tell me what it uses them for digital h3350; I don't know what it is, but it's the size of a deck of cards a couple of EMLock security door thingies (magnetic) various boards (green things with solder and little batteries and stuff on them) a couple of Alpha Micro video cassettes That's what I had the energy to see. Can you enlighten me as to what these things are and what ought to be done with them? I can't even get at the other stuff in the furnace room/garage until some of it gets moved. ~ Wendy the technologically incorrigible ----- End of forwarded message from Wendy Murphy -----

22 years, 10 months

Re: TUHS digest, Vol 1 #71 - 2 msgs

by Johnny Billquist

Sokolov wrote: > Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)update.uu.se> wrote: > > > I'm trying to figure out a way of getting the MSCP driver from Ultrix > > available for porting to NetBSD. > > I don't support NetBSD, but Ultrix' MSCP/SCA code is available to everyone. I know you don't support it. :-) > > The problem is that it's (c) by Digital, now HP. > > It is a problem only if you choose to honor copyright laws. Since that is your > personal voluntary choice, it is your problem. Yes, and it's *that* problem I'm looking for a solution to. > > Could I be lucky enough that Ultrix actually have been released? > > And I'm talking Ultrix-32 here, not Ultrix-11. > > The International Free Computing Task Force has freed the Ultrix-32 V2.00 and > V4.20 sources. They can be found on our FTP site in Freed as in "legally freed", or just "made available". > ivan.Harhan.ORG:/pub/UNIX/thirdparty/Ultrix-32 harhan.org don't exist from where my dns is looking... :-/ Another machine I have access to managed to resolve ivan.harhan.org to 208.221.139.1, but there is no response at that address. However, if it is just the sources, and not some legal notes available, then I don't need to go there. Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

22 years, 10 months

Re: [TUHS] Ultrix...

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)update.uu.se> wrote: > I'm trying to figure out a way of getting the MSCP driver from Ultrix > available for porting to NetBSD. I don't support NetBSD, but Ultrix' MSCP/SCA code is available to everyone. > The problem is that it's (c) by Digital, now HP. It is a problem only if you choose to honor copyright laws. Since that is your personal voluntary choice, it is your problem. > Could I be lucky enough that Ultrix actually have been released? > And I'm talking Ultrix-32 here, not Ultrix-11. The International Free Computing Task Force has freed the Ultrix-32 V2.00 and V4.20 sources. They can be found on our FTP site in ivan.Harhan.ORG:/pub/UNIX/thirdparty/Ultrix-32 -- Michael Sokolov 786 E MISSION AVE APT F Programletarian Freedom Fighter ESCONDIDO CA 92025-2154 USA International Free Computing Task Force Phone: +1-760-480-4575 msokolov(a)ivan.Harhan.ORG (ARPA) Let the Source be with you Programletarians of the world, unite!

22 years, 10 months

Ultrix...

by Johnny Billquist

Hi. I have a small question for you. I'm trying to figure out a way of getting the MSCP driver from Ultrix available for porting to NetBSD. The problem is that it's (c) by Digital, now HP. Does anyone know of any persons who were involved in the old days when code was exchanged between BSD and Ultrix? Those people might be a good starting point for getting code today as well I suspect. Does anyone else around here have any good clues on this? Could I be lucky enough that Ultrix actually have been released? And I'm talking Ultrix-32 here, not Ultrix-11. Johnny Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

22 years, 10 months

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