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by Dennis Ritchie

I have the version of festoon, as enhanced by Nils-Peter Nelson, and as Norman Wilson said, mainly and originally done by Ron Hardin. When the Usenet interchange referred to happened, I asked Ron whether he wanted to release it, and the response was > fine with me > npn's version is at /home/rhh/coma/festoon/fest.c > with pics and tbls > i've lost the original Incidentally, Hardin worked for Bell Labs, though at the Columbus location also occupied by Western Electric, and until fairly recently was a consultant for our own and nearby groups. The first Google pages for "hardin sloane" yields a bunch of references to his joint work with the well-known mathematician N. J. A. Sloane. Binary, but not source, was with research 8th edition, and may have escaped otherwise. I'll make the source available to scholars if there's interest. It even compiles on Plan 9 (with ape). Dennis

22 years, 2 months

AT&T Package Design (fwd)

by Warren Toomey

----- Forwarded message from Lange, David ----- From: "Lange, David" <Extern.David.Lange(a)gedas.com> Subject: AT&T Package Design Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:25:18 -0500 Just wondering who actually designed the AT&T UNIX package utility. I have to admit the documentation of this utility is rather sparse in term of examples of scripting problems and handling the I/O. Did internal AT&T documentation have any more information or did it merely consist of the source? I'm interested in creating patches and dependencies between packages. Any information or insight would be welcome. Regards. D. Lange ----- End of forwarded message from Lange, David -----

22 years, 2 months

[pups] DHV11 on BSD2.9

by Christos Papachristou

The driver is for a DIVA COMP V controller. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Toomey" <wkt(a)minnie.tuhs.org> > To: "Christos Papachristou" <chpap(a)ics.forth.gr> > Cc: <pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org> > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 5:45 AM > Subject: Re: [pups] DHV11 on BSD2.9 > > > > In article by Christos Papachristou: > > > I have read in a message by Steve Schultz that there are 2.9BSD drivers > for > > > the DHV11-A around. Can I still find them? > > > > How about: > > > > ./net/sys/dev/dvhp.c in PDP-11/Distributions/ucb/2.9BSD/usr.tar.gz > > > > P.S zgrepping lists/full_filelist.gz in the Archive is very useful! > > > > Warren > > _______________________________________________ > > PUPS mailing list > > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups >

22 years, 2 months

[pups] (no subject)

by Christos Papachristou

A few questions from a newbie: I have installed 2.9BSD on a microPDP11/73 with an RD52, using the MSCP version of Jonathan Engdahl. After startup the kernel indicates 160kb of memory .I am not familiar with such an old unix to find out the details but I understand it as 256k minus the kernel. The memory is M8067-LF i.e. 512k Qbus. Does this mean that the system can't see the rest of it and that I have configure/recompile the kernel? The system seems anyway to run fine. I haven't seen an operational PDP with UNIX before this, so I can't judge its speed. When in single user mode it seems to me that it runs "fast". However upon entering multi user mode the speed drops dramaticaly. I have not yet compiled in the 8 port multiplexer (DHV11-A), so only the console is functional and thus no gettys are loaded. So ,why is there such a change in speed? Does the multiuser mode just rise the nice value of the console tasks? Some information on the system. It is a KDJ11-B (M8190 -no suffix) i.e. an 11/84. So, the label on the system says microPDP11/73 (in an BA23 enclosure) the cpu is an 11/84 (if the FPU socket is the DIP-40 slot then it is unused), and the 2.11BSD second stage boot (version from vtserver) I have tried indicates 11/83. The memory is after the CPU and is Qbus (M867-LF). If I have understood what I have read in the list, this must be a mixed system that could use PMI memory, but just uses Qbus?? What exactly is my system? . Moreover the MSCP controller (M8639 YP i.e. RQDX1) the serial port multiplexer(M3104 i.e. DHV11-A) and the memory are Qbus while the cpu board is indicated as Unibus in the field guide. Can these two bus type s be mixed? (If yes , i would be tempted to abuse the dead VAX11/780 in the basement. Can this be done?). Anyway, I thought that the best choice of a UNIX for it since it only has an RD52 woulbe 2.9 BSD with MSCP support. Was this a good guess?

22 years, 2 months

[pups] E-11 and 2.9BSD

by Gregg C Levine

Hello from Gregg C Levine Okay, here goes: I have the current version of E-11 booting correctly on my Windows based, (Currently!), backup box. I have booted the 2.9BSD image found in the boot images directory from the FTP server. Does any one have any suggestions as to how to restore an entire system to an E-11 based setup? I have a bunch of empties that were created by John Wilson for his emulator. By the way, Warren your instructions for using the version that's on the FTP server worked with this one. ------------------- Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net ------------------------------------------------------------ "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

22 years, 2 months

[pups] Success!

by Christopher McNabb

Well, here are the results of my weekends "hacking": --------------------------- $ uname -a 2.11BSD pdp11.4mcnabb.net 2.11BSD 2.11 BSD UNIX #3: Fri Feb 21 21:00:58 PST 2003 root@:/usr/src/sys/PDP1183 pdp11 $ df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ra0a 10078 3009 7069 30% / /dev/ra0c 10078 2 10076 0% /tmp /dev/ra0d 90718 40963 49755 45% /usr /dev/ra0e 38206 29414 8792 77% /users $ sysctl hw hw.machine = pdp11 hw.model = 83 hw.ncpu = 1 hw.byteorder = 3412 hw.physmem = 2097152 hw.usermem = 0 hw.pagesize = 1024 $ dmesg Feb 25 12:02 ... <5>ra0: Ver 2 mod 3 ra0: RD54 size=311200 attaching qe0 csr 174440 qe0: DEC DEQNA addr 08:00:2b:07:b7:53 attaching lo0 phys mem = 2097152 avail mem = 1727488 user mem = 307200 ----------------------------------------------- The machine is an 11/83 with 2 megs of ram, DEQNA, single RD54, TSV05, TK50, and 3 DHV11s. Now it looks like all I have left to do is install 400 odd patches. -- Christopher L McNabb Tel: 540 231 7554 Operating Systems Analyst Email: cmcnabb(a)vt.edu Virginia Tech ICBM: 37.205622N 80.414595W GMRS: WPSR255 ARS: N2UX Grid Sq: EM97SD

22 years, 2 months

Festoon

by Tim Bradshaw

Does anyone remember this program (probably /usr/games/festoon) and in which Unixes it was distributed? I think it must have existed in at least some BSDs, but I'm fairly sure it wasn't in the ordinary 4.3 distribution. --tim

22 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] Festoon

by norman＠nose.cs.utoronto.ca

Ron Hardin, who worked at Western Electric in Columbus (I think) at the time, confirms that he is the author: Festoon was mine, chiefly written one Saturday with a tragically flawed copy of Lester's _Introductory Transformational Grammar of English_ bought that morning on a $1 table at Woolworth on my knee. The tragic flaw was that there are severe lexical constraints on language, which is why there are so many made-up words in festoon, to avoid them. The introduction of awful phrases came in reaction to writer's workbench from Lorinda Cherry, which had a real mine of them; and phrases from my boss, S D Hester, who was a wretched writer. People contributed on noticing that. It was greatly helped by troff (``The _pay_ people to write this crap?'' is a typical reaction. Apparently it was not out of the question for Western Electric.) Norman Wilson Toronto ON On the internet, nobody can tell you're whether you're on the internet.

22 years, 2 months

RE: [pups] Success!

by Fred N. van Kempen

Chris writes: > Well, here are the results of my weekends "hacking": Yay! It lives! Good work, dude! --fred

22 years, 2 months

Re: [pups] Success!

by Steven M. Schultz

> From: David Evans <dfevans(a)bbcr.uwaterloo.ca> > > Now it looks like all I have left to do is install 400 odd patches. > > If somebody goes through this pain, any chance of making a new source kit? Most of the kits I've seen out there are around #430 or so - that only leaves a dozen or so patches that need to be applied. > Though I guess some of the patches are not necessarily desirable in all > circumstances... By and large they are not only desirable but necessary/mandatory. There are very few 'frivolous' ("gee, this looks like fun") patches in the batch. Trying to "pick and choose" which parts of which patches to apply might be doable in the short term but there _will_ come the day when a bug is encountered or a feature desired that was fixed or added as one of the parts/patches that was left out. Best to get the pain over _once_ and be done with it ;) Cheers, Steven Schultz

22 years, 2 months

Re: [pups] Success!

by Steven M. Schultz

> From: Christopher McNabb <cmcnabb(a)vt.edu> > $ dmesg > > Feb 25 12:02 > ... > <5>ra0: Ver 2 mod 3 > ra0: RD54 size=311200 > attaching qe0 csr 174440 > qe0: DEC DEQNA addr 08:00:2b:07:b7:53 > attaching lo0 > > phys mem = 2097152 > avail mem = 1727488 > user mem = 307200 Congratulations! > Now it looks like all I have left to do is install 400 odd patches. Actually you only need to install the ones _after_ the one listed in /VERSION. Look at the first line of /VERSION, it should look something like this: Current Patch Level: 444 then all you need are the ones between your current version and 444 (which is the latest). Be sure you have the complete system (all the sources, and include files, etc) installed and read/follow the directions (which are quite extensive) included with each patch. SOME patches can be "batched" (if a couple patches in sequence are updating the kernel then you don't need to rebuild the kernel after each patch, etc). Good Luck! Steven Schultz

22 years, 2 months

LoC now involved with saving digital history

by Wm. G. McGrath

Howdy all, Is it possible that the Unix Archive might be able to get a little funding or assistance from the Library of Congress? This recent story in the Washington Post suggests that there is now a lot of money available in theory at least. I wonder if we would qualify for funding? bill Plan Approved to Save U.S. Digital History - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10278-2003Feb14.html?referre… The Library of Congress announced the next step in the effort to preserve that history: congressional approval of its plan for the National Digital Information Infrastructure and Preservation Program.

22 years, 2 months

[pups] Re: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? --> XXDP

by Jonathan Engdahl

I documented the procedure to extract a program from XXDP and put a header on it so that you can boot it from VTserver or a UNIX disk. It has been a long time since I did this to ZRQCH0, so I practiced on the program that I think Christos needs (ZRQBC1) and sent it to him. There's a lot I don't know about the a.out header, so if someone can improve my method, let me know. http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl/xxdp.htm#hackXXDP "Teach a man to fish..." -- Jonathan Engdahl http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl "The things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are not seen are eternal." II Cor. 4:18 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christos Papachristou" <chpap(a)ics.forth.gr> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:57 AM Subject: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? > I would like to do a bad sector scan on a RD52 connected to a RQDX1 > controller (The machine is a pdp11/73 without OS) prior to installing > BSD2.11.Is there a standalone program like zrqch0(standalone version of > zrqc from the xxdp package - only for RQDX3) that can be downloaded > directly to the pdp via vtserver and recognizes the RQDX1 , i.e. a version > of zrqb or something similar?

22 years, 2 months

[pups] 211BSD and TSV05 - Boy, Do I feel stupid

by Christopher McNabb

On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 22:04, Christopher McNabb wrote: > I have a TS05 tape drive and TSV05 controller. The TS11 driver for > 211BSD seems to be close to what I need, but not exactly. I can > forward, reverse, offline, and run status commands using 'mt', but any > attempt to read or write data results in a hard error: > ---- Well, this problem was fixed by cleaning the heads. In the words of the immortal Homer Simpson, "Doh!" -- Christopher L McNabb Tel: 540 231 7554 Operating Systems Analyst Email: cmcnabb(a)vt.edu Virginia Tech ICBM: 37.205622N 80.414595W GMRS: WPSR255 ARS: N2UX Grid Sq: EM97SD

22 years, 2 months

RE: [pups] Re: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? --> XXDP

by Fred N. van Kempen

Erzatz-11 V3.1 runs fine on Win2K and XP, please get that from the site. If you cant reach it, contact me offlist and I will send it to you. --f > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Engdahl [mailto:j.r.engdahl@adelphia.net] > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 6:16 PM > To: Gregg C Levine; pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: Re: [pups] Re: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? --> > XXDP > > > I fixed the link. > > E11 is a bit of a problem. I'm running E11 3.0 demo. I have > to run it on a > machine that still has Windows ME. All the other machines run > XP now, and > E11 doesn't seem to work under XP. I tried to get to > www.dbit.com to see if > there's a fix, but the site seems to be gone. > > -- > Jonathan Engdahl > http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl > > "The things which are seen are temporary, > but the things which are not seen are eternal." II Cor. 4:18 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregg C Levine" <hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net> > To: "'Jonathan Engdahl'" <j.r.engdahl(a)adelphia.net>; > <pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org> > Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 1:22 AM > Subject: RE: [pups] Re: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format > utility? --> XXDP > > > > Hello again from Gregg C Levine > > I've looked at your web pages on the subject of using XXDP to create > > that standalone format utility. And it makes sense. All of it. > > However, there's a broken link on it, regarding XXDP, and where to > > find it. Currently the link which points to the repository > at Ibiblio, > > is correct. Or even the one you're using as they both work. But the > > one that says that the manual, and notes, and the OS, are available > > at, is the broken one. It comes up to a file not found > error message. > > That guy has always had problems with his site, which is > unfortunate. > > It hasn't returned. > > > > However, what are you running E-11 under? And which version? The > > current one prefers a plain DOS environment, or even a Linux > > environment. The older ones, such as the versions stored on the site > > here, will work under DOS/Windows, even Windows 98SE, as > I've proven. > > ------------------- > > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi > > "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi > > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) > > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: pups-admin(a)minnie.tuhs.org > [mailto:pups-admin@minnie.tuhs.org] > > On > > > Behalf Of Jonathan Engdahl > > > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:00 PM > > > To: cctech(a)classiccmp.org; pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > > Subject: [pups] Re: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? --> > > XXDP > > > > > > I documented the procedure to extract a program from XXDP > and put a > > header > > > on it so that you can boot it from VTserver or a UNIX disk. It has > > been a > > > long time since I did this to ZRQCH0, so I practiced on > the program > > that I > > > think Christos needs (ZRQBC1) and sent it to him. > > > > > > There's a lot I don't know about the a.out header, so if > someone can > > improve > > > my method, let me know. > > > > > > http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl/xxdp.htm#hackXXDP > > > > > > > > > "Teach a man to fish..." > > > > > > -- > > > Jonathan Engdahl > > > http://users.safeaccess.com/engdahl > > > > > > "The things which are seen are temporary, > > > but the things which are not seen are eternal." II Cor. 4:18 > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Christos Papachristou" <chpap(a)ics.forth.gr> > > > To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> > > > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:57 AM > > > Subject: PDP11 - RQDX1 standalone format utility? > > > > > > > > > > I would like to do a bad sector scan on a RD52 connected to a > > RQDX1 > > > > controller (The machine is a pdp11/73 without OS) prior to > > installing > > > > BSD2.11.Is there a standalone program like zrqch0(standalone > > version of > > > > zrqc from the xxdp package - only for RQDX3) that can be > > downloaded > > > > directly to the pdp via vtserver and recognizes the > RQDX1 , i.e. a > > version > > > > of zrqb or something similar? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PUPS mailing list > > > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PUPS mailing list > > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups >

22 years, 2 months

[pups] 211BSD and TSV05

by Christopher McNabb

I have a TS05 tape drive and TSV05 controller. The TS11 driver for 211BSD seems to be close to what I need, but not exactly. I can forward, reverse, offline, and run status commands using 'mt', but any attempt to read or write data results in a hard error: ---- # ansitape -t ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=310<MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=310<MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=10310<RLL,MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> unknown record mode (n) - file 7 skipped t - 7: 0 lines (0 chars) in 0 tape blocks ---- This continues ad-nauseum until Ctrl-C is pressed. So, it looks like the TS11 driver is "almost, but not quite" good enough. Before I start attempting to re-invent the wheel, has anyone had success getting a TSV05/TS05 working under 2.11BSD? -- Christopher L McNabb Tel: 540 231 7554 Operating Systems Analyst Email: cmcnabb(a)vt.edu Virginia Tech ICBM: 37.205622N 80.414595W GMRS: WPSR255 ARS: N2UX Grid Sq: EM97SD

22 years, 3 months

[pups] 211BSD and TSV05

by Christopher McNabb

I have a TS05 tape drive and TSV05 controller. The TS11 driver for 211BSD seems to be close to what I need, but not exactly. I can forward, reverse, offline, and run status commands using 'mt', but any attempt to read or write data results in a hard error: ---- # ansitape -t ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=310<MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=310<MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> ts0: hard error bn0 xs0=10310<RLL,MOT,ONL,PED> xs1=20402<COR,-,UNC> xs2=100000<OPM> xs3=40<REV> unknown record mode (n) - file 7 skipped t - 7: 0 lines (0 chars) in 0 tape blocks ---- This continues ad-nauseum until Ctrl-C is pressed. So, it looks like the TS11 driver is "almost, but not quite" good enough. Before I start attempting to re-invent the wheel, has anyone had success getting a TSV05/TS05 working under 2.11BSD? -- Christopher L McNabb Operating Systems Analyst Email: cmcnabb(a)4mcnabb.net Virginia Tech ICBM: 37.1356N 80.4272N GMRS: WPSR255 ARS: N2UX Grid Sq: EM97SD

22 years, 3 months

Re: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

by Robertdkeys＠aol.com

Maybe it might be played from the angle that a US mirror could be granted funds in some manner, to complement the down under repository. Just a wild thought... Bob Keys

22 years, 3 months

random(3) definition

by Peter Jeremy

Does anyone here know why the BSD random(3) is defined to return a positive int (31 bits) rather than a full 32 bits of pseudo-entropy? (This came up is a discussion comparing random(3) with arc4random(3) in another list). Peter

22 years, 3 months

RE: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

by Ian King

Oops, did that go out in HTML? Sorry, new install of Outlook.... -----Original Message----- From: Ian King Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:26 AM To: 'Robertdkeys(a)aol.com'; wgm(a)telus.net; tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org Subject: RE: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history This sounds similar to some work with which I'm involved at the University of Washington. I'll see what I can learn.... -- Ian -----Original Message----- From: Robertdkeys(a)aol.com [mailto:Robertdkeys@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:42 PM To: wgm(a)telus.net; tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org Subject: Re: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history As I am reading the details of this, it seems that they are at a planning stage, and wanting to coordinate the Library of Congress centrally with other federal and non-federal agencies and organizations to develop the "network" of libraries and repositories for these materials. It was not clear what funding was available to non-federal agencies. My expectation is that the PUPS and TUHS efforts ought to be somewhere in the overall thicket of the Library of Congress effort. We need to find out more about this legislation and potential work and funding. It sounds very interesting... Spinning the ol' propeller-headed beanie at full speed, and thinking out loud.... Bob Keys _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs

22 years, 3 months

Tim Shoppa's V6 distribution

by Gregg C Levine

Hello from Gregg C Levine Has anyone ever gotten Tim Shoppa's V6 distribution to work, under any version of Simh? Theoretically it should be possible, but I haven't a clew, as to how to do so. Any suggestions? I'll leave the networking issues alone for the moment. Gregg C Levine drwho8(a)worldnet.att.net "This signature owns a house on Belsavis."

22 years, 3 months

RE: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

by Ian King

This sounds similar to some work with which I'm involved at the University of Washington. I'll see what I can learn.... -- Ian -----Original Message----- From: Robertdkeys(a)aol.com [mailto:Robertdkeys@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:42 PM To: wgm(a)telus.net; tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org Subject: Re: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history As I am reading the details of this, it seems that they are at a planning stage, and wanting to coordinate the Library of Congress centrally with other federal and non-federal agencies and organizations to develop the "network" of libraries and repositories for these materials. It was not clear what funding was available to non-federal agencies. My expectation is that the PUPS and TUHS efforts ought to be somewhere in the overall thicket of the Library of Congress effort. We need to find out more about this legislation and potential work and funding. It sounds very interesting... Spinning the ol' propeller-headed beanie at full speed, and thinking out loud.... Bob Keys _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs

22 years, 3 months

[pups] (no subject)

by Christos Papachristou

I would like to do a bad sector scan on a RD52 connected to a RQDX1 (The machine is a pdp11/73 without OS) prior to installing BSD2.11.Is there a standalone program like zrqch0(only for RQDX3) that can be downloaded directly to the pdp via vtserver and recognizes the RQDX1 , i.e. a version of zrqb or something similar?

22 years, 3 months

Re: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

by Robertdkeys＠aol.com

As I am reading the details of this, it seems that they are at a planning stage, and wanting to coordinate the Library of Congress centrally with other federal and non-federal agencies and organizations to develop the "network" of libraries and repositories for these materials. It was not clear what funding was available to non-federal agencies. My expectation is that the PUPS and TUHS efforts ought to be somewhere in the overall thicket of the Library of Congress effort. We need to find out more about this legislation and potential work and funding. It sounds very interesting... Spinning the ol' propeller-headed beanie at full speed, and thinking out loud.... Bob Keys

22 years, 3 months

Re: [TUHS] LoC now involved with saving digital history

by Robertdkeys＠aol.com

Wild long shot.... I used to write grants for this kind of thing. Find out more info and point me to where the granting info is and lets make a collective grunt to see if something is possible. Heck, all kinds of funds are available if you submit the right kinds of proposals. Yeah, I know, it is a pipedream, but.....(:+}}... Bob Keys (stirring the history pot, gently.....)

22 years, 3 months

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