To clean up some of the questions:
We (in our group) owned successively two photographic
typesetters:
The original Graphics Systems
C/A/T, which was used to render the camera-
ready copy for several editions of the manual,
also the first edition of K&R as well as
other books. This exposed characters
by flashing a Xenon lamp through a spinning
cylinder with the character images arranged
around the axis; the character was imaged
onto a fiber-optic bundle, which moved
horizontally with respect to the paper. The paper
was moved vertically.
The Linotron 202; it had a CRT on which lines
of characters were drawn, with an unmoving,
line-wide fiber bundle. Rollers moved the paper
vertically.
Both of these were managed by us (including
the hardware connection, via DR11-C; it stood
in for the paper tape that the manufacturers
had intended).
These used chemical processing to develop
the paper. This was messy and (especially
for the C/A/T version) smelly, so we were
glad when the local Comp Center began offering
service on an Autologic APS-5, a machine similar
in design to the 202, but better engineered,
and the comp center managed the chemistry.
This was used for the second edition of K&R,
for example. I think what we sent was troff output
which the CC converted to Postscript.
Later this service was outsourced, then dropped.
In recent years laser printers have become
good enough that decent camera-ready copy
can be generated using them (e.g. for
Kernighan and Pike, The Practice of Programming).
As for the system aspects: K&R 1 (1978) was done on
what would soon be 7th edition Unix, on 11/70;
K&R 2 (1988) using 9th edition on VAX 8550.
Kernighan and Pike's Unix Programming
Evironment (1984) used 8th edition
on VAX 11/750.
About the releases (or pseudo releases) that
Norman mentions: actually 8th edition was
somewhat real, in that a consistent tape
and captured, probably corresponds fairly
well with its manual, and was educationally
licensed for real, though not in large quantity.
9th and 10th were indeed more conceptual in that
we sent stuff to people (e.g. Norman) who asked,
but they weren't collected in complete and
coherent form.
Dennis
Fear not, Gregg; no twists intended or assumed. It could well be
that there was an earlier print run of The UNIX Programming Environment
that got it wrong and claimed to be done with V7 on an 11/750. But
I've never seen it (which is why I specified the exact edition and
printing I was quoting); and if it said that it was an error or a fib.
So far as I know nobody ever did a port of straight V7 to a VAX.
TUPE was written just before I arrived at the Labs; it's possible
that the 11/70 was still around during the writing, though it was
gone before I came. I don't know whether the name V8 was coined
before the 11/70 was retired. Maybe Dennis remembers more.
The original edition of The C Programming Language was certainly
done on an 11/70; it may have been published before the VAX hardware
existed in the field, and certainly before that part of Bell Labs
had one. My beat-up paperback copy (copyright 1978, third printing)
credits Graphic Systems for the typesetter, the 11/70 for the system
hardware, but just says UNIX--no version stated--for the OS.
Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
Look again. The colophon in my copy of The UNIX Programming Environment
(first paperback printing of the first edition) says
This book was typeset in Times Roman and Courier by the
authors, using a Mergenthaler Linotron 202 typesetter driven
by a VAX-11/750 running the 8th Edition of the UNIX operating
system.
I don't have a copy of the latter-day (now contains ISO) C book, but
if I recall correctly when it was written, it was probably typed in
on a VAX 8550 running the 9th edition system. Probably it was the
latter-day 9th, which had crept along quite a bit beyond the hasty
9/e manual. After I made some radical changes to the way device
drivers plugged into the kernel, I changed it to print `9Vr2' when
it booted, partly to distinguish the old system from the newer one
and partly to annoy enough people to reach critical energy to produce
a 10/e manual. The tactic took a while but was ultimately successful.
For those who don't know the historic chain, the systems loosely
called V8, V9, and V10 were never real releases in any sense; they
were just names hung on the continuously-evolving system we ran in
the 1980s in the Computing Science Research Center at Bell Labs.
Brian and Dennis and Rob (and, for six years, I) used that system
for everyday work as well as as a sandbox for systems work; hence
the credit in the books. There were tapes called V8 and V9 issued
to a few specific places under special on-off letter agreement, but
they correspond only approximately to the like-numbered manuals.
Norman Wilson
Toronto ON
(which feels a lot like New Jersey this evening)
Sorry this message was intented to be sent to the list.
(sorry gregg)
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Natalia Portillo [mailto:iosglpgc@teleline.es]
> Enviado el: viernes, 27 de junio de 2003 1:51
> Para: 'Gregg C Levine'
> Asunto: RE: [TUHS] Unix Derivatives and Variants
>
>
> I think that you can always compare with ice creams.
>
> UNIX is an ice cream brand.
> It have many flavours: Bell/AT&T, BSD, Xenix, AIX, A/UX,
> Coherent, etc.
> There are other brands.
> MINIX which have only a flavour.
> Linux, with many flavours as RedHat, YDL, Debian, etc
>
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: tuhs-bounces(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> > [mailto:tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org] En nombre de Gregg C Levine
> > Enviado el: martes, 24 de junio de 2003 23:29
> > Para: 'Warren Toomey'; 'The Unix Heritage Society'
> > Asunto: RE: [TUHS] Unix Derivatives and Variants
> >
> >
> > Hello from Gregg C Levine
> > Go ahead and laugh, but your server could be having a bad day today.
> > That being said, I am curious myself, as to the differences. Can
> > someone come up with the definite explanation regarding which is
> > which?
> > -------------------
> > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
> > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tuhs-bounces(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> > [mailto:tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Warren Toomey
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:22 PM
> > > To: The Unix Heritage Society
> > > Subject: [TUHS] Unix Derivatives and Variants
> > >
> > > I'm not sure why mailman rejected this e-mail. Anyway, here it is.
> > > Warren
> > >
> > > Subject: RE: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
> > > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:39:11 -0700
> > > Thread-Topic: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
> > > From: "Ian King" <iking(a)windows.microsoft.com>
> > > To: "Natalia Portillo" <iosglpgc(a)teleline.es>,
> > <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org>
> > >
> > > I'm trying to discern the difference between a variant and a
> > derivative.
> > > :-) Yes, we can trace back to the One True UNIX, but after things
> > > started branching it gets pretty confusing. It's possibly an
> > > indefensible taxonomy to distinguish a 'variant'
> (Coherent? XINU?)
> > from
> > > a derivative (which would encompass any BSD forms, I guess).
> > >
> > > FWIW, a while back someone was selling XINU ported to
> 8086 (I recall
> > > buying a set of 5-1/4" source disks a thousand or so
> years ago). Is
> > > that more the sort of thing you're looking for? The current
> > version(s)
> > > of XINU are available at
> > http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/dec/xsoft.html,
> > > according to Google. -- Ian
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TUHS mailing list
> > > TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
> >
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> >
>
Hello from Gregg C Levine
Okay. That's almost how I describe the state of the art to my friends,
and co-workers, and even customers. But shouldn't you have sent this
to the list as well as to me?
-------------------
Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net
------------------------------------------------------------
"The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
"Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
(This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Natalia Portillo [mailto:iosglpgc@teleline.es]
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 8:51 PM
> To: 'Gregg C Levine'
> Subject: RE: [TUHS] Unix Derivatives and Variants
>
> I think that you can always compare with ice creams.
>
> UNIX is an ice cream brand.
> It have many flavours: Bell/AT&T, BSD, Xenix, AIX, A/UX, Coherent,
etc.
> There are other brands.
> MINIX which have only a flavour.
> Linux, with many flavours as RedHat, YDL, Debian, etc
>
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: tuhs-bounces(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> > [mailto:tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org] En nombre de Gregg C Levine
> > Enviado el: martes, 24 de junio de 2003 23:29
> > Para: 'Warren Toomey'; 'The Unix Heritage Society'
> > Asunto: RE: [TUHS] Unix Derivatives and Variants
> >
> >
> > Hello from Gregg C Levine
> > Go ahead and laugh, but your server could be having a bad day
today.
> > That being said, I am curious myself, as to the differences. Can
> > someone come up with the definite explanation regarding which is
> > which?
> > -------------------
> > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi )
> > (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tuhs-bounces(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> > [mailto:tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Warren Toomey
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 6:22 PM
> > > To: The Unix Heritage Society
> > > Subject: [TUHS] Unix Derivatives and Variants
> > >
> > > I'm not sure why mailman rejected this e-mail. Anyway, here it
is.
> > > Warren
> > >
> > > Subject: RE: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
> > > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:39:11 -0700
> > > Thread-Topic: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
> > > From: "Ian King" <iking(a)windows.microsoft.com>
> > > To: "Natalia Portillo" <iosglpgc(a)teleline.es>,
> > <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org>
> > >
> > > I'm trying to discern the difference between a variant and a
> > derivative.
> > > :-) Yes, we can trace back to the One True UNIX, but after
things
> > > started branching it gets pretty confusing. It's possibly an
> > > indefensible taxonomy to distinguish a 'variant' (Coherent?
XINU?)
> > from
> > > a derivative (which would encompass any BSD forms, I guess).
> > >
> > > FWIW, a while back someone was selling XINU ported to 8086 (I
recall
> > > buying a set of 5-1/4" source disks a thousand or so years ago).
Is
> > > that more the sort of thing you're looking for? The current
> > version(s)
> > > of XINU are available at
> > http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/dec/xsoft.html,
> > > according to Google. -- Ian
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TUHS mailing list
> > > TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TUHS mailing list
> > TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org
> > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs
> >
Just guessing,
Any of these antique VAX and other machines running UNIXes arrived my
islands?
Does anybody know?
Is there a possibility for a museum (my computer museum) to get one of
these machines?
Thanks to all ;)
Just noticed in the publication data for "The UNIX Programming Environment"
that
it was created on a VAX 11/750 running V7 UNIX. How is this possible? I have
an 11/750 and V7 is my favorite UNIX... if I could do this, it would be
awesome.
Anyone have any insights?
I'm not sure why mailman rejected this e-mail. Anyway, here it is.
Warren
Subject: RE: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:39:11 -0700
Thread-Topic: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
From: "Ian King" <iking(a)windows.microsoft.com>
To: "Natalia Portillo" <iosglpgc(a)teleline.es>, <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org>
I'm trying to discern the difference between a variant and a derivative.
:-) Yes, we can trace back to the One True UNIX, but after things
started branching it gets pretty confusing. It's possibly an
indefensible taxonomy to distinguish a 'variant' (Coherent? XINU?) from
a derivative (which would encompass any BSD forms, I guess).
FWIW, a while back someone was selling XINU ported to 8086 (I recall
buying a set of 5-1/4" source disks a thousand or so years ago). Is
that more the sort of thing you're looking for? The current version(s)
of XINU are available at http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/dec/xsoft.html,
according to Google. -- Ian
warren
you missunderstood my point , I didn't imply it has at&t code !, what I
meant is it has the look and feel of at&t unix and indeed it was modeled (if
you prefer instead of derived :-) ) after unix 6 as per the author and the
way it look and feel.
as for the book , yup I read both the original book and the second one ,
that's what I meant it's an educational project oriented towards students.
cheers
zmkm
>From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org>
>To: The Unix Heritage Society <tuhs(a)tuhs.org>
>Subject: Re: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
>Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:28:41 +1000
>
>On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:29:11PM +0000, zmkm zmkm wrote:
> > actually [Minix is] indeed derived from at&t unix 6 also it feels closer
>to
> > the actual old unix than other newer variants and it comes with C
>compiler and
> > an assembler in the distribution
>
>Sorry to be a pedant here, but Minix was written wholly from scratch and
>has no AT&T code in it at all. I know, I've been playing with it since
>version 1.1. See also Tanenbaum's Operating Systems: Design and
>Implementation
>textbook for the fully story.
>
>Ciao!
> Warren
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl Lowenstein [mailto:cdl@mpl.ucsd.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:46 PM
> To: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org; robin.birch(a)royalmail.com
> Subject: Re: [pups] PDP11 C
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:26:21 +0000
> > Subject: [pups] PDP11 C
> >
> > Panic over, I've found a copy that I didn't realise I had :-)
>
> Just out of curiousity, which operating system did you have in
> mind? A run-time library is rather OS-dependent.
>
> carl
>
> --
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> clowenst(a)ucsd.edu
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> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:26:21 +0000
> Subject: [pups] PDP11 C
>
> Panic over, I've found a copy that I didn't realise I had :-)
Just out of curiousity, which operating system did you have in
mind? A run-time library is rather OS-dependent.
carl
--
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clowenst(a)ucsd.edu
Just to keep it Unix-like, I wrote enblock, which takes a file in stdin
a produces a tape file on stdout in SIMH-format. It takes one option,
the block size, which defaults to 512. It writes an end of file mark
after each run. To write more than one file on one tape, type
enblock <file1 >tape ; enblock <file2 >>tape
to write an end of tape mark, type
enblock </dev/null >>tape
You'll find enblock.c at
http://www.ba-stuttgart.de/~helbig/os/v6/enblock.c
>Hi,
>
>Harti's p11 comes with mktape which when given a control file will turn a set
>of files into a tape image. Is there anything like this for SIMH PDP-11?
>
>Thanks,
>Ken
Panic over, I've found a copy that I didn't realise I had :-)
Regards
Robin
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Hi Everyone,
This is slightly off topic I know but does anyone have a PDP11 C run time library
reference manual that they can either scan for me or send me so that I can
photocopy it.
Regards
Robin
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Hello,
I have located 30 boot floppies for AT&T UNIX SVR4.0 2.1 for the 386
Apparently, only SCSI hard drive controllers are supported. I don't have a
machine with a SCSI hard drive (and I'd rather not sacrifice a live
machine to svr4.)
I tried booting in in bochs, and it sort of works, but it panics
relatively early. I suspect it's for the lack of SCSI emulation in bochs,
but I'm not sure.
I'm trying to find whatever source code there is on those floppies. I've
grepped through the disk images, and I did find some source code in the
clear. However, I suspect I haven't yet found the kernel source (which is
what I'm after.) Disks 13 and 14 have an actual filesystem on them, but
many (all?) of the other disks appear to be laid out as flat arrays of
bytes without much (any?) filesystem information. The fs on disks 13 and
14 doesn't appear to be completely standard sysv, at least according to my
rh8 box.
Anyone knows enough about this operating system to help me out? Perhaps
some hints as to where the kernel sources might be located, how they are
encoded? (I hope the kernel sources are in fact on the disks!)
Sebastien Loisel
All,
I just received this from Sebastien Loisel. I don't have any recent
SysV sources, but I though I'd pass this on to the mailing list in
case anybody else can help Sebastien.
Warren
----- Forwarded message from "S. Loisel" <loisel(a)math.mcgill.ca> -----
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:44:21 -0400
From: "S. Loisel" <loisel(a)math.mcgill.ca>
Subject: System V
To: wkt(a)tuhs.org
Hello,
I'm sorry to bother you, but I'm interested in the current Unix debacle.
I'm diffing linux kernel sources against Unix sources, and I've written
a program to do that efficiently, but I'm afraid that what Unix sources
I can locate aren't actually relevant (I've been using what I can find
at minnie.tuhs.org...)
I know that a lot of people have the correct sources and that they were
even available for download on the web, so I was wondering if you could
hook me up somehow?
I'm a researcher at McGill university in Montreal
(http://www.math.mcgill.ca/loisel/) and I would only be using that
source code for research. I intend to diff the files and then provide a
list of similar files, and I hope to quote the common portions (assuming
they are short enough for "fair use.")
If you can't help me, can you tell me someone who could?
Thank you very much,
Sebastien Loisel
----- End forwarded message -----
warren
you missunderstood my point , I didn't imply it has at&t code !, what I
meant is it has the look and feel of at&t unix and indeed it was modeled (if
you prefer instead of derived :-) ) after unix 6 as per the author and the
way it look and feel.
as for the book , yup I read both the original book and the second one ,
that's what I meant it's an educational project oriented towards students.
cheers
zmkm
>From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org>
>To: The Unix Heritage Society <tuhs(a)tuhs.org>
>Subject: Re: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
>Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 07:28:41 +1000
>
>On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 05:29:11PM +0000, zmkm zmkm wrote:
> > actually [Minix is] indeed derived from at&t unix 6 also it feels closer
>to
> > the actual old unix than other newer variants and it comes with C
>compiler and
> > an assembler in the distribution
>
>Sorry to be a pedant here, but Minix was written wholly from scratch and
>has no AT&T code in it at all. I know, I've been playing with it since
>version 1.1. See also Tanenbaum's Operating Systems: Design and
>Implementation
>textbook for the fully story.
>
>Ciao!
> Warren
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actually it's indeed derived from at&t unix 6 also it feels closer to the
actual old unix than other newer variants and it comes with C compiler and
an assembler in the distribution ,
I am currently using 2.0.3 and I like it except for few reservations about
its developments tools , it's nice in the way unix purist used to like
versions 6 and 7 , small efficient neat and trying hard to become fully
posix .
the development tools aren't as good as they should be I don't like the ACK
(amersterdam compiler kit) it feels gaged but its latest c compiler is
highly ansi compatible , its assembler is a close cousin to the old
assembler in IBM PC/IX version of unix.
to answer natalia
you can run it in two modes 16 bit and 32 bit check the 2.0.3 distribution
page there are several packages 86/286/386 , don't bother with the so called
2.0.0. or CD distribution it's old., the real nice touch is the version that
runs in dos under windows , it's cute but be aware not everything works in
due to the limited resources , but I like it for quick hacks.
minix was done for educational purposes the book published by AST the guy
behind minix contains complete source code and oriented towards students .
here's the direct link to 2.0.3.
http://www.cs.vu.nl/pub/minix/2.0.3/
good luck
>From: Andru Luvisi <luvisi(a)andru.sonoma.edu>
>Reply-To: Andru Luvisi <luvisi(a)andru.sonoma.edu>
>To: Natalia Portillo <iosglpgc(a)teleline.es>
>CC: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org
>Subject: Re: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
>Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:33:23 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Andru Luvisi wrote:
>[snip]
> > Minix is available and under a BSD like license. I don't know if it
>will
> > suit you since it isn't derived from AT&T code, and the source for the
>for
> > the compiler is not included.
> >
> > http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/minix.html
>
>I spoke too soon. Apparently the sources for ACK are now available:
> ftp://ftp.cs.vu.nl/pub/kjb/ACK/ACK-5.2.tar.gz
>
>Andru
>--
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>
>Quote Of The Moment:
> Heisenberg may have been here.
>
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natalia
check also comp.os.minix it's active.
zmkm
>From: "Natalia Portillo" <iosglpgc(a)teleline.es>
>To: <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org>
>Subject: [TUHS] Getting UNIXs for 16-bit 8086
>Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 13:08:28 +0100
>
>Is it possible to get a UNIX that runs on a 8086 or 8088 PC?
>Or for 80286 or 80386?
>
>Xenix?
>AT&T?
>SCO?
>Interactive UNIX?
>
>Where please?
>
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andru
I should've known better before I rush my reply :-) , what I meant was since
gnu cpio can uncompress those cpio files , so I assumed that it can be
uncompressed booted and re packaged as a single .dsk image (like the unix7
thing) , but since I have no background in pdp11 hardware I am not sure how
can this be done.
cheers.
zmkm
>From: Andru Luvisi <luvisi(a)andru.sonoma.edu>
>Reply-To: Andru Luvisi <luvisi(a)andru.sonoma.edu>
>To: zmkm zmkm <new_zmkm(a)hotmail.com>
>CC: tuhs(a)tuhs.org
>Subject: Re: [TUHS] Installing SysIII on simh?
>Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:21:34 -0700 (PDT)
>
>On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, zmkm zmkm wrote:
> >
> > Andu
> >
> > wouldn't be easier to load it through dsk (I mean download the complete
>tar
> > and make a dsk out of it) .
>
>I'm not clear on what you mean by this. Here is how I was planning to do
>the install:
>
> 1) Boot from tape
> 2) Install miniroot on disk
> 3) Boot from disk
> 4) Untar rest of installation onto disk from tar tape file
>
>The instructions in usr/src/man/docs/setup (in the tar file) talk about
>using cpio and cpio format tape files instead of tar, but all I have is a
>tar file.
>
>I have not managed to finish step 3.
>
>Andru
>--
>Andru Luvisi, Programmer/Analyst
>
>
>
>Quote Of The Moment:
> Appel's method avoids making a large number of small trampoline bounces
> by occasionally jumping off the Empire State Building.
> -- Henry G. Baker, "Cheney on the M.T.A."
>
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Hi,
I'm trying to locate a PDP-11 bootstrap for a TS11 or TU80.
I've created a unix v7m distribution tape and want to try and install
from it.
Thanks.
--
TTFN - Guy
Whitesmith under the capable guidance of Plauger - who else - came up with
Idris. And a number of other Un*x clones were duly written at about the same
time, according to:
http://www.robotwisdom.com/linux/nonnix.html
The question is, is it possible to get ahold of those for the early Un*x
hobbyist? Does anyone have any knowledge of their whereabouts, and
(potential) legal statii?
Wesley Parish
--
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You ask, "What is the most important thing?"
Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata."
I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."
Hi,
Seems that SIMH/PDP11, p11 and ts10 do not simulate older PDP-11's
They appear to cover only /*3 (/23, /53, /73, etc) models.
Am I wrong about this?
Are there any open source emulators for the /40, /45, or /70?
I know about Charon and Esatz.
Thanks,
Ken
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Hi,
Harti's p11 comes with mktape which when given a control file will turn a set
of files into a tape image. Is there anything like this for SIMH PDP-11?
Thanks,
Ken
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