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[pups] Re: History of 32-bit UNIX (was History of 2 BSD)

by Dennis Ritchie

Greg Lehey wrote, > > Others ported the system in those carefree days as well, in > > particular Richard Miller at the University of Wollongong, but I > > don't know much about the other efforts. > I believe the Wollongong port predated the one at Bell Labs. Peter > Gray tells me he still has the original machine they used, and he'd > like to find a museum-like place to keep it. No idea whether it > runs. Greg Rose should know a lot more about this matter. Greg, are > you out there? Having the original Wollongong Interdata 7/32 might be interesting to the Computer History museum, though it might be expensive to transport it across the Pacific. As for dates: the Wollongong port was essentially contemporaneous with ours, certainly independent, and was declared in production sooner (July 1977 vs. spring 1978). Ours was "in principle" done by Aug. 1977, theirs by April '77. Various papers are gathered at http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/portpapers.html Greg Rose is definitely still extant. Dennis

21 years, 6 months

[pups] PDP-11 Documents

by Gregg C Levine

Hello from Gregg C Levine Here's a comment from my side of the pond. Al Kossow has a great collection of PDF files on the PDP-11. Right now I'm grabbing the ones that discuss my current collection of problems. The location is http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/ >From that one, and behind it, sits his entire collection. But that space is entirely the PDP-11. ------------------- Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net ------------------------------------------------------------ "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

21 years, 6 months

[pups] RL driver for v6

by Naoki Hamada

Hi. I backported an RL driver to v6 and salvaged files from "v6_rl02_unknown" using it (on SIMH). See http://www.tom-yam.or.jp/2238/rl/ Enjoy! Naoki Hamada nao(a)tom-yam.or.jp

21 years, 6 months

Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!

by Philip, Naveen J (Naveen)

Hi All I am trying to lauch a xterm window on a remote machine and then once the xterm window is launched from the remote machine I am trying to start a gui on the xterm window. The following is the command I am using to start the xterm .It is failing and giving the error. remsh hostname " . /home/john/.profile >/dev/null 2> /dev/null;xterm" stty: invalid command xterm Xt error: Can't open display also can you let me know once the xterm is open how do we lauch the gui on the xterm window using the same remoteshell.The gui name is nam_gui. Regards, Naveen

21 years, 6 months

[pups] ACMS (Australian 'puter museum) doomed?

by Fred N. van Kempen

Ow, c'mon. In *australia*, how hard can it be to find or make space for that priceless collection? Geez! Given the nearly-complete collection of DEC systems, HP-Oz should be deeply ashamed if they don't pitch in, along with other vendors and local support techs. We can't expect all companies to maintain a collection that reflects their history (for tech-practical reasons alone), but we *should* be able to expect them to help others who do it "for" them... > -----Original Message----- > From: Toby Thain [mailto:tobyhome@telegraphics.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:08 PM > To: Dave Horsfall > Cc: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: Re: [pups] Re: History of 32-bit UNIX (was History of 2 BSD) > > > > On 11/11/2003, at 3:01 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote: > > > On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Dennis Ritchie wrote: > > > >>> I believe the Wollongong port predated the one at Bell > Labs. Peter > >>> Gray tells me he still has the original machine they > used, and he'd > >>> like to find a museum-like place to keep it. No idea whether it > >>> runs. Greg Rose should know a lot more about this > matter. Greg, are > >>> you out there? > >> > >> Having the original Wollongong Interdata 7/32 might > >> be interesting to the Computer History museum, though > >> it might be expensive to transport it across the Pacific. > > > > Perhaps this would be a better home for it: > > > > http://www.terrigal.net.au/~acms/museum.htm > > It would not be a safe home until they have solved their eviction > problem (now due for mid-Dec 2003): > http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/19/1053196515142.html > and http://www.terrigal.net.au/~acms/ > > Given the significance of the machine in question, IMHO it would be > safer in care of private individuals until an Australian computer > museum is funded - > http://www.terrigal.net.au/~acms/ > ACMS%20Prospectus%20rec%20on%2005Feb2003.htm > > Toby > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups >

21 years, 6 months

[pups] Re: A project--buiilding a device to plug into a PDP-11's bus

by John Holden

Gregg C Levine wrote :- > I also recall that the processor in question at one point in its > lifespan, actually used the AM2901 family of bit-slice processors. DEC didn't use 2901's in central processors, but the FPU's for 11/34 and 11/44 used 16 of them to make the 64 bit data path for the FPU. They were also used in some peripherals like the KMC-11. A lot of OEM's (like Emulex) used them in disk/tape/terminal controllers.

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Re: [pups] ACMS (Australian 'puter museum) doomed?

by macbiesz＠optonline.net

Quote from http://www.deadmedia.org/notes/3/034.html: "A copy of his first programme-controlled electro-mechanical digital computer, the Z3, was made in 1960 and put on display at the Deutsches Museum in Munich. A copy of the Z1 was constructed in 1989, and can be found in the Museum for Transport and Technology in Berlin." Maciek ----- Original Message ----- From: Jochen Kunz <jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2003 3:43 am Subject: Re: [pups] ACMS (Australian 'puter museum) doomed? > On 2003.11.13 00:06 Johnny Billquist wrote: > > > Not to demean that effort, but don't the Germans have a Z4 still > > working in a museum? That would mean something like 1942. > 1942 would be the Z3, the first computer ever. The Z3 that is in the > Deutsches Museum is AFAIK a rebuild of the original one. (Rebuild > underthe supervision of Konrad Zuse himself.) I don't know if the > Z4 is still > around. Google for "Konrad Zuse" and / or his son "Horst Zuse". Horst > Zuse has put much effort in documenting the work of his father. > > I know that there is a Zuse Z23 in Karlsruhe. It was build in 1956, > based on electron tubes, core and drum memory and it is still fully > functional! > -- > > > tschüß, > Jochen > > Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ > > _______________________________________________ > PUPS mailing list > PUPS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups >

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Re: [pups] Re: A project--buiilding a device to plug into a PDP-11's bus

by Carl Lowenstein

> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:30:34 +1100 (EST) > From: John Holden <johnh(a)psych.usyd.edu.au> > To: pups(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: [pups] > Re: A project--buiilding a device to plug into a PDP-11's bus > > Gregg C Levine wrote :- > > > I also recall that the processor in question at one point in its > > lifespan, actually used the AM2901 family of bit-slice processors. > > DEC didn't use 2901's in central processors, but the FPU's for 11/34 and > 11/44 used 16 of them to make the 64 bit data path for the FPU. They were > also used in some peripherals like the KMC-11. At one time there was a set of application notes that described how to build a PDP11 clone out of AM2901 bit slices. I think that the performance would have been approximately that of an 11/40, while the time and effort and parts cost would have been prohibitive for a one-off production. It is barely possible that I have a set of those notes somewhere, although it would take a very lucky random search to find them. carl -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego clowenst(a)ucsd.edu

21 years, 6 months

[pups] A project--buiilding a device to plug into a PDP-11's bus (or LSI-11)

by Gregg C Levine

Hello from Gregg C Levine I never had the chance to post this here, but one of my reasons for joining our group, was that I was in the process of designing something to plug into a PDP-11's bus, (or an LSI-11). I never accomplished it, because I didn't have the parts here. Nor the computer either to try out my design. I've now discovered that this company, Luke International, http://www.lukechips.com/ which was formed by a group of former AMD engineers, is selling the parts someone would use to clone a PDP-11 processor. And indeed the AM2908 matches those bus specs. I also recall that the processor in question at one point in its lifespan, actually used the AM2901 family of bit-slice processors. The design is still going through the drawing board status, but now that I've found a place that sells those parts means I am much closer. Regarding those systems, if someone in the US, and preferably the NYC area has a PDP-11/53, or an LSI-11, hanging around, please contact me. ------------------- Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon(a)worldnet.att.net ------------------------------------------------------------ "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda )

21 years, 6 months

Unsubsribe

by Philip, Naveen J (Naveen)

Hi All Can somebody tell me which link I have to use to unsubscribe from this mailing list?? Regards, Naveen

21 years, 6 months

SCO File List - Sort Of

by Rhys Weatherley

Groklaw has one of SCO's legal filings in the SCO/IBM case up that contains a list of files that they claim contain infringing material: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031111020447263 It seems to be basically "grep -r (SMP|IBM|NUMA|JFS) /usr/src/linux" with little filtering of the output. The list contains filenames but not the actual line numbers of the supposedly infringing code. So it is pretty useless, but is more of a starting point than we've had to date. I've got dibs on 48 hours in the "how long it takes for the community to find prior public domain sources for all of the above" pool. :-) Cheers, Rhys.

21 years, 6 months

The PDP11/34 saga ... CONTINUED :)

by asbesto

Hi, Do you remember the broken chip on pdp11/34 ? well, i changed the HC74LS175P with an original SN74LS175N. Now i can write and read correct data on memory :))) and the RED LED "PARITY ERR" on the M7891 board turn OFF while pdp11 is running a program. :))) BUT the pdp11 can't boot: the boot loader program stop after few steps. some details will follow in the next days; now i can't make any further test ... -- [asbesto : freaknet medialab : radio#cybernet : GPG key on keyservers] [ MAIL ATTACH, SPAM, HTML, WORD, and msgs larger than 95K > /dev/null ] [http://www.freaknet.org/asbesto IW9HGS http://kyuzz.org/radiocybernet]

21 years, 6 months

Re: TUHS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 7

by Larry McVoy

> > I've personally thought that Sun should release the source trees of its old > > BSD-based SunOS with the idea of getting back onside with all the Linux and > > Unix people it pissed off by its "buying" a "Unix" license from SCO, the > > Societe Commercial du On-Dit, the Commercial Society of Rumourmongers. > > Don't hold your breath. Even SunOS 4.1.x had large chunks of System V Release 3 > code in it: all the STREAMS stuff and RFS worked in that environment (not that > anyone ever used it). Also all of /usr/5bin, /usr/5lib etc. I removed all that stuff and booted up and ran on a complete free version of SunOS long ago. Read about it here: http://www.bitmover.com/lm/papers/srcos.html -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm

21 years, 6 months

solaris source (was Re: Heritage X)

by tuhs＠cuzuco.com

That program was canceled, see http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/source/ It was a license, and if you have it, you can not share it with non-licensees. Also it wasn't quite complete. > From: macbiesz(a)optonline.net > A couple years ago, Sun released Solaris 8 source for free. The whole system is full of SVisms, and AFAIK, the source remains free. > > Maciek

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Re: TUHS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 7

by Larry McVoy

> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:39:23 -0800 (PST) > From: Kenneth Stailey <kstailey(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [TUHS] 32V/I portability > To: macbiesz(a)optonline.net, tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > Message-ID: <20031112013923.70852.qmail(a)web60509.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > --- macbiesz(a)optonline.net wrote: > > You could set up a Sourceforge project for 32/I? > > > > Maciek > > Anything but Sourceforge. You will rue the day you chose them. Don't take my If someone gives me a pointer to the tarballs I'll happily import them into BitKeeper and set up a 32vi.bkbits.net that anyone can use. Unlike sourceforge, we're about quality, not quantity, but even so, we have 1/3 as many files under revision control and no performance problems. It's not really sourceforge's fault, they choose CVS and CVS sucks. As Ted T'so said recently "CVS is not the answer, CVS is the question. No is the answer." :) -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm

21 years, 6 months

Re: [TUHS] 32V/I portability

by macbiesz＠optonline.net

You could set up a Sourceforge project for 32/I? Maciek ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Villani <Pat.Villani(a)hp.com> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:41 pm Subject: [TUHS] 32V/I portability > Folks, > > After studying the source code for a while, I found a few explicit > and > implicit vaxisms that need to be rectified. I'd like to purge the > source entirely of these vaxisms, but that would mean that if > anyone > wants to port what I do back to VAX, they'll need to do some work. > > Also, this mailing list is fairly low traffic, and for now my > activities > are very low traffic as well. Should I set up a separate mailing > list > for those interested in this project? > > Opinions? > > Pat > > -- > Outer space is no place for a person of breeding. -- Lady Violet > Bonham > Carter > > > > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs >

21 years, 6 months

32V/I portability

by Pat Villani

Folks, After studying the source code for a while, I found a few explicit and implicit vaxisms that need to be rectified. I'd like to purge the source entirely of these vaxisms, but that would mean that if anyone wants to port what I do back to VAX, they'll need to do some work. Also, this mailing list is fairly low traffic, and for now my activities are very low traffic as well. Should I set up a separate mailing list for those interested in this project? Opinions? Pat -- Outer space is no place for a person of breeding. -- Lady Violet Bonham Carter

21 years, 6 months

Re: Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

by Aharon Robbins

> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:13:16 +1300 > From: Wesley Parish <wes.parish(a)paradise.net.nz> > Subject: Re: Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!) > To: tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > I've personally thought that Sun should release the source trees of its old > BSD-based SunOS with the idea of getting back onside with all the Linux and > Unix people it pissed off by its "buying" a "Unix" license from SCO, the > Societe Commercial du On-Dit, the Commercial Society of Rumourmongers. Don't hold your breath. Even SunOS 4.1.x had large chunks of System V Release 3 code in it: all the STREAMS stuff and RFS worked in that environment (not that anyone ever used it). Also all of /usr/5bin, /usr/5lib etc. Arnold

21 years, 6 months

Re: AW: [pups] History of 2 BSD

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Mario Premke <premke(a)ess-wowi.de> wrote: > Wouldn't that mean to port a 32bit OS (4BSD) back to 16bit (2.xBSD)? Yes. I've never been a fan of 2.xBSD personally. MS

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Re: [pups] History of 2 BSD

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Mario Premke <premke(a)ess-wowi.de> wrote: > but I wonder when the step from > 16bit to 32bit was made in BSD. It was not made in BSD. It was made at Ma Bell: the step from V7 to 32V (VAX port of V7). The first Berkeley kernel, 3BSD, was based on 32V and ran on the VAX. (1BSD and 2BSD were distributions of userland utilities and had no kernel. Users added those utilities to their existing V6 or V7 systems.) > Was 2BSD only running on the PDP-11, or > was it ported to other architectures as well? 2BSD was a collection of Berkeley's userland utilities like ex and csh and as such not tied to any particular architecture. While most people used those utilities on V6 and V7 systems (PDP-11), there is no reason why you couldn't compile them under 32V (VAX), or on the Interdata port, or whatever. Don't confuse 2BSD with 2.xBSD, though. The latter came much much later (after 4BSD) and was a backport of some 4BSD features to PDP-11. That one does have a kernel, it's the V7 kernel with some 4BSD bits backported to it. It's what evolutionary biologists call reverse evolution. > What architecture were the > 32bit versions developed on in the beginning? VAX. MS

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[pups] History of 32-bit UNIX (was History of 2 BSD)

by norman＠nose.cs.utoronto.ca

Mario Premke: but I wonder when the step from 16bit to 32bit was made in BSD. Michael Sokolov: It was not made in BSD. It was made at Ma Bell: the step from V7 to 32V (VAX port of V7). You're a little late: researchers at Bell Labs ported UNIX to the 32-bit Interdata 8/32 in 1977. I don't think the resulting system was widely used, but the lessons learned greatly influenced V7. In particular typedef and unsigned were added to C, the compiler became more honest about type checking, and system-interface data structures like struct stat were installed in standard include files rather than being copied into every program. Others ported the system in those carefree days as well, in particular Richard Miller at the University of Wollongong, but I don't know much about the other efforts. But the VAX was by no means the first 32-bit port. Norman Wilson Toronto ON

21 years, 6 months

[pups] History of 2 BSD

by Mario Premke

Hello list, hopefully this is not OFF-Topic too far ... but I wonder when the step from 16bit to 32bit was made in BSD. As far as I can see 2BSD is 16bit whereas the succesor(s) is 32bit already. Was 2BSD only running on the PDP-11, or was it ported to other architectures as well? What architecture were the 32bit versions developed on in the beginning? Thanks in advance Mario Premke

21 years, 6 months

Something quick and easy to do that helps the world

by Kenneth Stailey

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Re: Heritage X (was Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!)

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Kenneth Stailey <kstailey(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Speaking of X on Heritage Unix I have a Sun 3/60M with the 1280x1024 monochrome > display. The only display server I have ever gotten to work on it is on NetBSD > 1.3 running the pre-XFree86 X11R6. > > I'm wondering if there are any older UNIXes I could use. I would more than welcome a volunteer to port 4.3BSD-Quasijarus to m68k. (Using pcc of course.) Wanna tackle that one? MS

21 years, 6 months

RE: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!!

by Philip, Naveen J (Naveen)

All, Can anyone suggest some good unix mailing list. Regards, Naveen -----Original Message----- From: Warren Toomey [mailto:wkt@tuhs.org] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 6:19 PM To: Philip, Naveen J (Naveen) Cc: 'tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org' Subject: Re: [TUHS] Lauch Gui using remote xterm!! On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:00:57PM +0530, Philip, Naveen J (Naveen) wrote: > Hi > All > I am trying to lauch a xterm window on a remote machine and then once the > xterm window is launched from the remote machine I am trying to start a gui > on the xterm window. Naveen, this is a mailing list about Heritage Unix. I don't think your question counts as such, unless you're running X11R3 on a Sun2 or something similar. Cheers, Warren

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