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by Kenneth Stailey

I found this while playing with AmphetaDesk for the very first time. http://www.tribug.org/img/bsd-family-tree.gif Offhand I think the very top of the graphic is terribly misleading. It insinuates that UNIX is derived from Multics. It would be just as true to say it was derived from Project Genie or to say that Linux is derived from UNIX. They are independant systems with similarities, nothing more. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com

21 years, 2 months

[pups] ultrix-3.x install using simh?

by Brad Parker

Hi, Has anyone tried to install the ultrix-3.x distribution using simh? I hacked a little program to build a tape image. It boots fine. I told the ultrix install I wanted to install for an 11/34 on a RL02. It seems to install fine and then reboot on the RL02 but hang in the shell after the boot (see below). I know using an RL02 with an 34 is optimistic :-) it's just that what I have for actual hardware. any idea if this is an simh problem or an ultrix problem or user error? -brad output: ... ****** BOOTING ULTRIX-11 SYSTEM TO SINGLE-USER MODE ****** Sizing Memory... Boot: rl(0,0)unix (CTRL/C will abort auto-boot) rl(0,0)unix: 14784+17026+8192+8000+8064+8192+8128+8128+8128+8192+8192+8064+7744+ 6976 ULTRIX-11 Kernel V3.0 realmem = 253952 buffers = 25600 clists = 1600 usermem = 95232 maxumem = 95232 erase = delete, kill = ^U, intr = ^C

21 years, 2 months

so MS is behind SCO

by Aharon Robbins

http://www.opensource.org/halloween/halloween10.html 'nuff said. --Arnold

21 years, 2 months

RE: [TUHS] making VAX disk file images

by Wesley Parish

Thanks to everybody who replied. And thanks to Markus Weber for pointing me to http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html I've got OpenVMS 7.3 installed now, I just haven't got it fully setup. That makes me a user of, let's see, how many Operating Systems? And I used to think being able to install MS-DOS 5.0 was a mark of the fully-capable and highly-skilled computer-user! <(;^) (Took me ages to work out I needed to fdisk the C: partition to install OS/2 2.0; SLS Linux 0.99pl?? took ages to work out how to make partitions _and_ file systems, and I was nowhere near game enough to try extfs; Maybe I'm getting there - or at least, somewhere! ;) -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."

21 years, 2 months

RE: [TUHS] Microsoft,SCO,and a certain License

by zme＠hush.ai

I find it interesting how Microsoft's name seems to pop up in Unix software. There are quite a few times when Microsoft's name appears on the same line as SCO's. $ strings svr4.tar | grep -i microsoft | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn [output attached]

21 years, 2 months

making VAX disk file images

by Wesley Parish

I've got OpenVMS 7.3 and am planning on installing it under the SIMH/TS10 VAX. How do I go about making disk file images? None of the SIMH/TS10 files seem to include a Linux utility for making such a creature - does anyone have any pointers? Thanks -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."

21 years, 2 months

Microsoft, SCO, and a certain License

by Wesley Parish

I know the SCO topic's been done to death, and all, but I was thinking about the Microsoft purchase of a Unix license (apparently) for their MS SFU (Windows Services For Unix) which contrary to the plain meaning of the name, is essentially a Unix (apparently OpenBSD, according to rumour) box on top of the Windows kernel and Win32 API. The question is, wouldn't that put Microsoft and the SCO Group in breach of the settlement between AT&T and Berkeley? If Win SFU _is_ OpenBSD, and Microsoft have bought a license to run it from the SCO Group of all people, isn't that in effect picking a fight with Theo de Raadt? This isn't definite, of course - some details I'm not sure of. But I think if this is so, we have some very interesting few years to look forward to. -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."

21 years, 2 months

FWD: Is SCO beneficial?

by Kenneth Stailey

SCO's whole story is just TOO bizarre... (Score:3, Interesting) by cozziewozzie (344246) on Friday March 05, @08:24AM (#8474219) I mean, who could have thought of a worse, more stupid way to piss off the whole tech sector and drive yourself into bankruptcy. The more I think about it, the more this strange idea develops that SCO (Caldera) is actually doing all this rubbish to help the Linux community. OK, it is way out there, but in some perverted way, it makes sense. First of all, you have a Linux company (Caldera) who, despite their best efforts, has trouble staying afloat. At this time, there is no corporate support for Linux, the big vendors are running away from it, and the "GPL has never been tested in court" is touted as an argument all over the place. Big UNIX vendors only see Linux as a way to get people into their more proprietary solutions. So, Caldera buys out a UNIX vendor and does the most ridiculous thing imaginable: sues everybody, proclaims that Linux is communist and all that bullshit. Fast forward to the current situation: IBM, HP, Novell and other big players are squarely behind Linux and protecting it. Microsoft is exposed as a greedy monopolist who uses underhand tactics (yet again). GPL gets tested in court and it is under such circumstances that guarantee a strong precedent in GPL's favour. The UNIX heritage is cleared once and for all. Linux wins, in a BSD fashion, and is free from corporate FUD. And who pays the bill? Greedy investors. This could turn out the be the best thing for the corporate image of Linux ever. --- Join the Society Against Raping the Word "Definitely". __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com

21 years, 2 months

Just a bit of (Intel BSD) history

by Wesley Parish

Michael Sokolov, I notice you're quite fond of the 4.3BSD family, and regard it as the One True Un*x. If you'll go to http://masalai.free.fr/386BSD.tar.gz, you'll find Bill Jolitz's 386BSD 1.0 - mostly the source code. (I've also got the 386BSD 0.0 source files on my machine - about a decade after I almost got them downloaded but decided not to because Linux was marginally cheaper in terms of disk numbers. I'll have to mount them loopback and copy the files off them.) And perhaps it can be placed with the other 4.3BSD family members in the appropriate minnie.tuhs directory, Warren? -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."

21 years, 2 months

As of this moment ...

by Wesley Parish

I am a bona fide BSD user, running 4.3BSD Quasijarus0c on my copy of the SIMH VAX. (Mind you - just to set the cat amongst the pigeons - running on my Linux box ... :-) Thanks to everybody for all your help. It's been greatly appreciated. -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."

21 years, 2 months

Re: [TUHS] Quasijarus.Z problem

by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG

Wesley Parish <wes.parish(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > I downloaded the two Quasijarus distros, Not sure which two do you mean, but keep in mind that the current release is 4.3BSD-Quasijarus0c, and that Warren's archive is no longer the main distribution site for 4.3BSD-Quasijarus and is not up to date. The main distribution site for 4.3BSD-Quasijarus is ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG. > I was under the impression that gzip (both standalone and included in tar) > knew how to handle compress files. Apparently not. Use real compress, get it from ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG:/pub/UNIX/components/compress.tar I'm using compress -s mode, which produces the same strong compression ratio as gzip (stronger than original compress), but without the politically unacceptable letter 'g'. MS

21 years, 2 months

Re: TUHS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7

by Larry McVoy

This is a sort of lame message but I'm having a sort of lame day, dealing with some lame people who created some lame problems and I'm sick of lame. OK, enough with the whining already. The good part is that I got a message from this list. I am on a zillion mailing listings, I've been around since the arpa net had 11 IMPs, and long enough before that that I wacked pathalias. I witnessed first hand the first posting of +-------------------+ \ WARNING: Morons / \ next hundred / \ postings / \ !!!! / \ / \ / \/ back in the days where netnews was how we communicated and virtually everyone on news had a PhD or a Masters or was headed there (those were the days, eh?). I love getting mail from this list, it brightens up my day. After a day of nothing but cleaning up other people's messes, people who work for me and should know better, I was in a foul mood. Really foul. And then some mail from this list showed up and it just changed my whole day. Not because the mail was that uplifting but because it is a connection to my past, back when I used to argue with Guy Harris and thought I was right, back when all I wanted was to work at Sun. I really like this list, it's bright spot, but I wished you people were a little more vocal. Maybe it's just me but I wonder if I'm really the only one who revels in the past a bit... Maybe I need to get out more :) -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com

21 years, 2 months

Quasijarus.Z problem

by Wesley Parish

I downloaded the two Quasijarus distros, and tried " tar zxvf *.tar.Z ", and nothing happened. I was under the impression that gzip (both standalone and included in tar) knew how to handle compress files. Apparently not. My system's Mandrake 9.2, tar (GNU tar) 1.13.25. Is there some incantation I'm not doing? Any ideas? Thanks. -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."

21 years, 2 months

Oldish UnixWare 2.x boxed copy - useful to TUHS or someone?

by David Ruggiero

Subject says it. I've got an old (well, 10+ years old) copy of Unixware (pre-old-SCO; I think it's release 2.01 or 2.03) in a boxed set with manuals, CDROMs, patch diskettes, etc. Is this of any use to TUHS or someone else as a donation or is it "too recent"? cheers, /David/

21 years, 3 months

[pups] how to extract Keith_Bostic_v7 files?

by Andriy Tkachuk

Hi guys. $subj ? I've tried to seach the list, but no success. It seems, that http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/pups.cgi don't work Thanks, Andriy Tkachuk

21 years, 3 months

[pups] how to extract Keith_Bostic_v7 files?

by Andriy Tkachuk

Hi guys. $subj ? I've tried to seach the list, but no success. It seems, that http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/pups.cgi don't work Thanks, Andriy Tkachuk

21 years, 3 months

[pups] Just the FAQs, ma'am...

by Kelli Halliburton

Can someone direct me to the FAQ?

21 years, 3 months

Re: TUHS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1

by russ

----- Original Message ----- From: <tuhs-request(a)minnie.tuhs.org> To: <tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: TUHS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 > Send TUHS mailing list submissions to > tuhs(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tuhs-request(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tuhs-owner(a)minnie.tuhs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TUHS digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Location of a Coherent distribution? (Warren Toomey) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:45:40 +1000 > From: Warren Toomey <wkt(a)tuhs.org> > Subject: [TUHS] Location of a Coherent distribution? > To: The Unix Heritage Society <tuhs(a)tuhs.org> > Message-ID: <20040204014540.GB85382(a)minnie.tuhs.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi all, > Does anybody know of a distribution of Mark William's Coherent > available on-line, or if someone has a distribution could they make a > copy for me. Ditto for Idris. I'm particularly interested in their > header files, and how closely they match the contemporary Unix headers. > > Thanks, > Warren > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS(a)minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > > End of TUHS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 > **********************************

21 years, 3 months

IBM's AOS

by Wesley Parish

Does anyone know anything more about it than I do, which is that it was a rebadged 4.3BSD for the RT platform? And stands for Academic Operating System? -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."

21 years, 3 months

Re: [TUHS] Location of a Coherent distribution?

by Cornelius Keck

Warren et al: > Does anybody know of a distribution of Mark William's Coherent > available on-line, or if someone has a distribution could they make a > copy for me. Ditto for Idris. I'm particularly interested in their > header files, and how closely they match the contemporary Unix headers. ftp.mayn.de used to serve the stuff, but it they switched servers, and it looks as if their archives are still high&dry. Planetmirror pleads amnesia.I grabbed a copy of mayn's coherent tree last April, some 2GB tgz'd. This is the complete Coherent installation, in form of a copy of .dd floppy images, and some additional pieces. Unfortunately I don't have any FTP server set up anywhere, so do you, by chance, have a place where I can drop it off? BTW.. should anyboy's response get nuked by my smtpd, please respond to usenet54(a)keck.us. Cornelius -- Cornelius Keck cornelius(a)keck.cx / ckeck(a)texoma.net

21 years, 3 months

Location of a Coherent distribution?

by Warren Toomey

Hi all, Does anybody know of a distribution of Mark William's Coherent available on-line, or if someone has a distribution could they make a copy for me. Ditto for Idris. I'm particularly interested in their header files, and how closely they match the contemporary Unix headers. Thanks, Warren

21 years, 3 months

[pups] DEC PRO or P/OS

by Tarik Isani

Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > Well, those programs emulate both the CPU (which *is* the same as > those found in the PRO systems), but *also* the surrounding stuff > like disk controllers, serial controllers and so on. > > It would not be (that) hard to add "PRO" emulation to SimH, if some > sort of hardware specs are still available. > > cheers, > Fred This is actually exactly what I have done. The emulator is available here: http://xhomer.isani.org/ Tarik

21 years, 3 months

Sys III - Yet Again

by Wesley Parish

I just thought of a reason _why_ Caldera was unable to clarify the status of System III - if you look at the documents on Groklaw.net, http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=legal-docs one of them's a document between Novell and SCO Original, where the System V releases are enumerated. Another is a similar document which mentions the Ancient Unix and their manuals as being part of the deal. Neither document that I can recall, mentions anything about System III - and apparently Warren Toomey had to supply them with that, so it would appear that System III is - quite literally - unclaimed by anyone, apart from its copyright notices, and thus - since neither The SCO Group nor Novell has laid claim to it in their copyright battle - it could well be considered Public Domain. Just a thought, and don't take my word for it. -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people."

21 years, 3 months

Re: [pups] roll-your-own-unibus boards?

by Brad Parker

Jochen Kunz wrote: ... >I see two problems: >1. Bus transciever chips. Yes, this is the big one. It turns out to be solvable, but not using IC's. National DS3862 would be good, but it just went out of production... I'm looking into making a "trapzoidal driver" (i.e. controlled edges) using a FET and RC on the gate. Someone else suggested it and it sounded like a good idea. Certainly easy to model/simulate first. -brad

21 years, 4 months

[pups] roll-your-own-unibus boards?

by Brad Parker

Hi, I asked this on the classic computer list and I thought I'd ask here also... Does anyone have any thoughts on how hard it would be to make a unibus board which is an IDE controller? I have 4-6 layer boards fabbed regularly and use modern CPLD's & VHDL on a regular basis, so the building part looks easy. I've never looked at unibus controlleqr schematic, but plan to. I'm assuming much of the old ttl can be sucked into something like a Xilinx coolrunner CPLD... I also assume it's reasonably straightforward TTL, and at (by today's standards) slow speed... true? Any hints, or gotcha's as far as fabrication or interface? Has anyone done this (in the modern day, that is :-) My plan would be to build a 4 layer board of suitable thickness with gold fingers, using an existing board for reference (any physical size specs I could read?) I'm well aware of the foolishness of this on one level, but there's a side of me that really enjoys this sort of thing... perhaps medication would help :-) -brad

21 years, 4 months

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